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  Ujirik

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5/25/13 1:54:09 PM#41
The problem with such a system is that you can use it for evil.  Just take a group of players in a guild or something and they can silence anybody they don't like by simultaneously reporting.  I think the number of players required should be raised to at least 100 reports within a certain time period before the silence kicks in.

  Blackaddera

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5/25/13 1:58:23 PM#42
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Phry
sounds like a great system, they need to put this kind of thing into all MMO's

Again 20 accounts logged in, I have 3 accounts that I was able to log in on my laptop concurrently, I also have 2 PCs. I have no desire to test it out, but I am willing to bet that I could log in 20 accounts in PE and randomly silence an Innocent.

Terrible system.

Do you think this can't be tracked and dealt with because I most certainly think it can.  How likely is your scenario going to be successfully executed?  What do you think will happen when 2 people report being wrongfully silenced by the exact same 20 accounts?  What is the overhead in recreating 20 new email accounts completely unassociated with your present IP and online identity?  I totally accept the possibility of this scenario, but I will need to see some concrete evidence that this is a likely and easily executed vector of attack.

It isn't a perfect system, but it is a better system than unregulated chat or monitoring by one GM's subjective opinion which we don't know they don't have in place already.

Like I also pointed out above, when you report someone they are added to the reporter's ignore list.  If someone is a chronic reporter pretty soon they will have no one to chat with.  The person being reported will also not be reported by that person again.

You could eventually end up with a scenario where all the people who are easily irritated have large ignore lists and a quiet channel and people who like to spam a lot can do so because those left to listen don't care about chat spam.  It is in essence a self-correcting system in the long run.

Yes, it can be tracked but are they tracking it? And if so, if you see that ppl have to wait 11+ days to get a reply on a ticket then the damage is already done. And it's not a self-correcting system. The system allows for abuse in a large way without correction. Look at what damage the banks did to the economy: no regulation equals total abuse. Remember the old addage: Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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  User Deleted
5/25/13 2:15:23 PM#43

Leveled to 60 socially (I mostly did the "open world" quests), trolled the general channel.

I didn't get muted ONCE.

If you get muted, it is likely you were spamming, or REALLY going over the deep end (hard to think of what you'd type to make that many people hate you at once).

Sometimes people were even deliberately racist, or talking about obscene topics, but I can't recall anybody ever getting muted.

 

The community, for the most part, is pretty solid. I don't see abuse of this as a real issue.

 

  eyelolled

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5/25/13 2:30:28 PM#44
Everything can be exploited.  Some people might get silenced unfairly, but many will be silenced fairly.  In one had you have the ability to talk with people without having to sift through recruitment noise or bad jokes, and on the other had you have the right to recruit and advertise. Now take the second hand and drop your right to advertise and recruit, and instead put a women breast.  Now that's much better isn't it.  See, sometimes the ability to recruit and advertise just isn't that important.

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  User Deleted
 
OP  5/25/13 2:36:12 PM#45
Originally posted by Piechunks

Leveled to 60 socially (I mostly did the "open world" quests), trolled the general channel.

I didn't get muted ONCE.

If you get muted, it is likely you were spamming, or REALLY going over the deep end (hard to think of what you'd type to make that many people hate you at once).

Sometimes people were even deliberately racist, or talking about obscene topics, but I can't recall anybody ever getting muted.

 

The community, for the most part, is pretty solid. I don't see abuse of this as a real issue.

 

If you are telling the truth, it probably means that people trolling in game are not being silenced while honest gamers are, shows signs of systemic abuse then by trolls or malicious people.

Heres a few of the links to PW forum where they talk about the abuse of the system.

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?287321-Verbally-abused-then-punished-for-it

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?285702-NW-Silenced-How-the-what-the-zomg!-What-happend

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?281261-Ban-on-chat-what-the-hell!

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?279362-Flagged-as-a-spammer-24h-Chat-Ban

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?273562-Getting-muted-for-24-hours-from-asking-for-groups-in-zone

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?273621-Muted-for-24-hrs

The list goes on and on, but you get the point. 

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?260622-Why-So-Serious

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?260512-Banned-again!

 

  User Deleted
5/25/13 2:45:56 PM#46
Originally posted by fistorm

 

1. you just admited you were a troll.  2. if you happen to be telling the truth by chance, means that people trolling are not being silenced while honost gamers are, shows signs of systemic abuse then by trolls or malicious people.

Heres a few of the links to PW forum where they talk about the abuse of the system.

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?287321-Verbally-abused-then-punished-for-it

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?285702-NW-Silenced-How-the-what-the-zomg!-What-happend

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?281261-Ban-on-chat-what-the-hell!

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?279362-Flagged-as-a-spammer-24h-Chat-Ban

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?273562-Getting-muted-for-24-hours-from-asking-for-groups-in-zone

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?273621-Muted-for-24-hrs

The list goes on and on, but you get the point. 

So much for being honest....

Who's to say that those posts weren't made by people spamming?

Come to think of it, I saw few people spamming the chat for anything. I really didn't see any verbal abuse either.

Maybe things are working as intended?

I personally never reported anybody, since I never had reason to. Once again, I think the system in-place seems to be working for the most part.

 

I also haven't played the game for about a week, so maybe they decreased the necessary people flagging, or something around those lines as I don't recall that many threads popping up.

Of course I'm only one person, so I can only give my worthless anecdotal evidence, just like the sum of those 6 threads.

 

  Dibdabs

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5/25/13 2:55:32 PM#47
Originally posted by fistorm

Heres a few of the links to PW forum where they talk about the abuse of the system... [snip]

Funny how, sooner or later, it always emerges that they WERE actually spamming something but "not much, guv'nor, not really."

I have neither sympathy for them or any real interest in listening to their never-ending stream of evasions and excuses.  They got a ban.  All is well with the world.

  Demalis

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Joined: 5/12/13
Posts: 134

5/25/13 2:57:34 PM#48

Well, I am not sure how many players are on a server, chat zone or what ever the governing factor of this "rule" is. But just to use numbers say 1000 people at 20 reports = ban, 2% of the total population is not a good number to give the power of a ban hammer to. However lets say there are only 100 people in the affected channel, then 20 reports = 20% of the games population was offended, and by all rights ban away.

Just imagine if mmorpg.com was automated in such a way, it would be a ghost town.

  StonesDK

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5/25/13 3:00:42 PM#49
Originally posted by fistorm

So I'm sure you probably played alot of mmo's where they allow you to report spam on goldsellers. We'll this game has a feature that allows only 20 players out of thousands report you as spam and be able to silence you for 24 hours.  You wont be able to use say chat, guild chat, party chat, or zone chat for 24 hours straight.

 

 

So far I seen my friends guildmaster be silenced for 24 by the report spam feature for just shouting for guild recruitments, and quit.

Seen my friend shout out a harmless joke and be silenced for 24 hours, then quit.

Seen people post on NW forums about shouting for groups and being silenced for 24 hours, then quiting.

 

 

So what does everyone think about the chat silence system, should other players be allowed to go around silencing other players, or should that be a GM's duty?

If people quit because they are butt'hurt by being silenced for 24 hours then great. If you can't emotionally handle something so benign then I sure as hell would rather they stay gone. People like that has a tendency to rage over stupid things

  tawess

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5/25/13 3:03:39 PM#50
Originally posted by Blackaddera
Now that is pure censoring and an incursion of freedom of speech.

Unless it is your government doing it... NO it is not treading on your freedom of speech.

 

As a matter of fact freedom of speech have very little power in private forums, such a game owned by a entity such a company.

 

But besides that the correct way of changing this issue is not to whine on a third party forum but rather try to communicate your ideas to the developers or at least on the official forum.

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  Blackaddera

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5/25/13 3:14:25 PM#51
Originally posted by tawess
Originally posted by Blackaddera
Now that is pure censoring and an incursion of freedom of speech.

Unless it is your government doing it... NO it is not treading on your freedom of speech.

 

As a matter of fact freedom of speech have very little power in private forums, such a game owned by a entity such a company.

 

But besides that the correct way of changing this issue is not to whine on a third party forum but rather try to communicate your ideas to the developers or at least on the official forum.

I'm not playing Neverwinter mate and btw if a discussion is started on a 3rd-party forum than any Tom Dick and Harry have a right to post their opinions about it. As you are doing aswell. And BTW having an opinion and defending it with real arguments isn't whining. And not only governments can tread on freedom of speech, take a good look at religions or organistions with money.

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  Antiquated

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5/25/13 3:18:38 PM#52
Originally posted by Blackaddera
And not only governments can tread on freedom of speech, take a good look at religions or organistions with money.

:sigh: We have to note, every time this discussion (or any like it) comes up, that freedom of speech doesn't always (indeed often does not) apply in privately owned games.

Which inevitably leads to 15 pages of arguments about that (rather than the original topic).

  kovah

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5/25/13 3:29:40 PM#53

/oblig

 

There's a Zone Chat?

 

/oblig, carry on.

  SpottyGekko

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5/25/13 3:31:54 PM#54

I think the the chat ban is fantastic !

Wish more games had it, tbh.

 

As long as there's some monitoring and control on the possible misuse of the activity (i.e. a player must not be allowed to endlessly "report spam" just because they want to grief general chat), I see no problem with it at all.

  Asm0deus

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5/25/13 5:04:36 PM#55
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Phry
sounds like a great system, they need to put this kind of thing into all MMO's

Again 20 accounts logged in, I have 3 accounts that I was able to log in on my laptop concurrently, I also have 2 PCs. I have no desire to test it out, but I am willing to bet that I could log in 20 accounts in PE and randomly silence an Innocent.

Terrible system.

Do you think this can't be tracked and dealt with because I most certainly think it can.  How likely is your scenario going to be successfully executed?  What do you think will happen when 2 people report being wrongfully silenced by the exact same 20 accounts?  What is the overhead in recreating 20 new email accounts completely unassociated with your present IP and online identity?  I totally accept the possibility of this scenario, but I will need to see some concrete evidence that this is a likely and easily executed vector of attack.

It isn't a perfect system, but it is a better system than unregulated chat or monitoring by one GM's subjective opinion which we don't know they don't have in place already.

Like I also pointed out above, when you report someone they are added to the reporter's ignore list.  If someone is a chronic reporter pretty soon they will have no one to chat with.  The person being reported will also not be reported by that person again.

You could eventually end up with a scenario where all the people who are easily irritated have large ignore lists and a quiet channel and people who like to spam a lot can do so because those left to listen don't care about chat spam.  It is in essence a self-correcting system in the long run.

 

Torvaldr if you seriously think Cryptic has the time or man power to track this you are kidding yourself, they have much much bigger fish to fry.   Do you even frequent the Neveriwnter forums?  IF you did you would see the general reply to such threads is :

So sorry to bad, suck it up its only temporary or send in a ticket that will be closed or viewed 2 weeks+ down the line. LoL

 

Personally idc how that works like I have said elsewhere this small chat problem is the least of their worries and they need to fix the bigger issues with the game before they even think about this.

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  Pandaman102

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5/25/13 7:59:07 PM#56

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to comment on the chat ban system, as it's been something people have been complaining in CO and STO for a while now; the chat server is shared for all games, so theoretically mutes extend across all games (and people from other games can mute you). It was also something implemented before Cryptic games went F2P, back when accountability for abusing the system was still possible.

 

Originally it was intended to be a feature for players to police gold sellers and functions like this:

  1. You report the player for spamming.
  2. The system logs the report and automatically puts the player on your ignore list.
  3. The system then adds to a counter* in the reported player's account for each person who ignores him.
  4. Once the counter reaches 20, the player is muted from all channels for 24 hours.

*This counter resets once every 24 hours; the counter also goes down one if a person who ignored the player removes them from the ignore list, so one person can't ignore/unignore a person 20 times to mute them; once the player is muted they remain muted even if everyone unignores him.

 

The obvious flaw in the system is that people aren't being muted for being reported, they're being muted for being ignored. I can understand the sentiment that people like spammers to be muted for 24 hours, but the problem is not everyone is aware that putting people on the ignore list triggers the same thing; it's much easier for people who weren't spamming or actually saying anything offensive to become muted simply because 20 people decided "Oh, I don't want to listen to this guy because [insert arbitrary reason here], I'll put him on ignore him for now".

 

Of course, you can avoid this problem (I've never been muted) simply by avoiding Zone chat and talking only with guildmates/friends. Cryptic has already stated the feature is working as intended and it's too integrated into the system to modify, so the only thing you can do as a player is modify your own chat behavior (or find another game that doesn't discourage socialization).

  BlueTiger33

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5/25/13 8:06:11 PM#57

I'm stepping on broken glass here but kids from 1 to 29/30-ish are what we call the "entitlement generation" you can +/- however many years you want but it's still the same. So...that being said these same gamers generally freeload due to them not having jobs and / or no disposable income for whatever reason they've decided in their lives.

 

So, that being said they are able to jump free-willy from game to game and have become what we call "disposable gamers." The F2P freeloaders that would never spend a penny on your game.

 

Now think of this type of person and the perceived power he/she could get through silencing someone for 24 hours. Do you think they wouldn't leach onto this system in a heartbeat?

 

Just my 2 cents.


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  Banquetto

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5/25/13 8:10:09 PM#58

It's a fantastic idea BUT it really needs Neverwinter to have more dedicated channels than just zone chat.

If there was a Trade channel and an LFG channel I'd be much more supportive of this system.

  Pandaman102

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5/25/13 8:17:51 PM#59
Originally posted by Banquetto

It's a fantastic idea BUT it really needs Neverwinter to have more dedicated channels than just zone chat.

If there was a Trade channel and an LFG channel I'd be much more supportive of this system.

Yet another thing people have been asking for, but Cryptic ignores despite being a bloody obvious idea. Players are reduced to making their own channels, but not everyone knows about them, so people wind up spamming Zone anyway.

  Ramonski7

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5/25/13 9:30:19 PM#60

People complained about unchecked gen chat channels and "crossroads" like behavior from these mmorpg  communities for YEARS with no real way to stymie bad behavior. And now a company gives the power to the people and they complain they cannot be trusted with it? For the love of....Either you want to be supervised and cuddled or you pull up your big boy(or girl) pants and take the good with the bad that comes with the freedom of keeping your own community in check, your choice. But don't sit there and pretend that this hasn't been an ongoing issue with mmorpgs for YEARS.

 

Cleaning up the mess that many of us call a mmorpg community has to start somewhere and it might as well start on the foundation of a system like this. If you get muted for telling a tasteless joke in gen chat, then maybe learn that you shouldn't tell jokes like that in gen chat? Or if you've been muted for regurgitating LFG messages or guild recruitment messages at blinding speeds, maybe you should learn to slow it down. And if these people banned cannot understand the weight of irritating 20 different people in such a short amount of time without ragequitting, then maybe they should quit. Either you keep it civil or see yourself out the front door. If 20 of your fellow peers that actually pay attention to gen chat agree that what you did was inappropriate, then let the hammer fall I say. Will there be some cases of abuse? You better believe it, but it beats the alternative of not having the ability to do a damn thing about at least trying to correct the questionable behavior like it was before.

 

A 24 muted ban is nothing more than a slap on the wrist. It doesn't stop you from using voice chat or 3rd party programs to communicate. What it does do it place the responsibility of community back in the hands of players. Just like it use to be way back when shooting off at the mouth could mean no more character advancement cause no one would group with you. Like I said you either want the ability to change things or fear that ability can be used against you. Which is the stronger pull for you? I know I have nothing to fear as I don't question my own behavior, it's always respectable in-game.


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