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  Ikeda

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5/20/13 11:14:17 AM#41
Originally posted by BillMurphy

We reached out to Cryptic directly, and are awaiting a response.

"Open beta" or not, this is pretty suspect.

Get'm Bill!  Don't let the talking heads prevail.  This is unacceptable.  

And shame on you people for encouraging the exploiters. [mod edit]

  Toxic2k

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5/20/13 11:24:11 AM#42

3 days after nw went open beta, i accidentally bumped into this (-bid) exploit on a private forum. Too bad i didnt had the will to play it more than a couple of hours.

After reading some threads like this one, all nw fanboys posts, yep people are blind as a mole.

  winter

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5/20/13 11:28:04 AM#43
Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM
removing 7 hours of a 3 week long exploit isn't repairing anything.

  So if you knew bout this exploit as you claim for the last 3 weeks why didn't you say something to the rest of us here? Only reason i can see is if you were one of the exploiters using it.

  winter

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5/20/13 11:30:53 AM#44
Originally posted by Toxic2k

3 days after nw went open beta, i accidentally bumped into this (-bid) exploit on a private forum. Too bad i didnt had the will to play it more than a couple of hours.

After reading some threads like this one, all nw fanboys posts, yep people are blind as a mole.

  Well at least your honest enough to admit that you kept this exploit a secret to yourself so you could and did exploit it rather then making it public so it could be fixed.

  Fanbois maybe blind but what are exploiters like you? Pretty sure theres many descriptive termswe could use  but I'll let you try and paint yourself in the best possible light

  Precusor

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5/20/13 11:34:13 AM#45
Originally posted by winter
Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM
removing 7 hours of a 3 week long exploit isn't repairing anything.

  So if you knew bout this exploit as you claim for the last 3 weeks why didn't you say something to the rest of us here? Only reason i can see is if you were one of the exploiters using it.

Cryptic already knew about the trade exploit since STO.

  Dahkoht

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Posts: 289

5/20/13 11:35:50 AM#46
The bug was in STO months ago - they are just idiots or lazy developers.

Or both is more likely from what I am seeing.
  Shadowguy64

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5/20/13 11:36:03 AM#47
Originally posted by Axxar
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by Axxar
Don't release a game in beta stage, devs.

Don't spend money on a game still in beta!

Fortunately I haven't spent a cent. In fact I've never even touched the game. The gameplay footage was enough to put me off.

 

The gameplay is actually quite fun. But maybe not to you. All of my fiends that have tried it think it's fun.

  JeroKane

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5/20/13 11:39:36 AM#48
Originally posted by BillMurphy

We reached out to Cryptic directly, and are awaiting a response.

"Open beta" or not, this is pretty suspect.

 It is suspect as they didn't fix anything!  They just plugged the hole and brought the service back online as fast as they could. All for the bottom line. Profitting!

1. The 7 hour rollback is a joke and nothing more than a token action. Pure for PR purposes. Especially since this exploit became Public at least 24 hours prior to the servers being taken Down! So People have been mass exploiting this for a hell lot longer than 7 hours!

2. The exploit existed since OBT started and the smart ones have been exploiting this very carefully and using tons of mule accounts to launder everything away.

3. They now gave out some perma bans. Again, just a token action for PR purposes, as only the Extreme cases of the last couple hours prior to shut Down got this perma ban. Most got away With just a 72 hour suspension! Absolutely hilarious, as it just means the ones that have been exploiting this the most and done so for weeks keep all their AD and get away With it. All due to the amount of accounts they have been using to spread it out.

But the most disturbing thing of this all, is how it all Plays directly in PWE's favor!

1. The AD/Zen Exchange ratio is back to 500 to 1 !

2. All Zen is gone, so People have to repopulate the AD/Zen Exchange With Zen again With "REAL" Money!

No matter how the most die hard fans try to Slice this. No matter how PWE and Cryptic try to PR spin this.  It's a Financial win/win situation for PWE's bottomline! Profit!

  Shadowguy64

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Posts: 880

5/20/13 11:42:52 AM#49
Originally posted by kevjards

Having took the time to read up on this I decided to login and have a go at the game.after 5 mins I gave up and decided this fiasco has ruined it for me.decided to uninstall and that's me done..i cannot believe they are refusing to do a wipe and start again.what gets me is there will be loads of honest people feeling the same..has always the fucking low lifes ruin it for others.they are not happy getting a game for free with no sub fee they have totally destroyed the fuckin economy.

if they do a wipe I may come back but only if its a wipe.roll back is no good especially if the length of time this has being going on.

 

Interesting, since none of the exploits could possibly affect you in your first 5 minutes of gameplay. Literally ZERO effect,.

  nbtscan

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5/20/13 11:46:03 AM#50

They should take some notes from Blizzard with the whole donating the ill-gained monies to a charity.  :P

 

Too late for that now with the rollback.

  itbewilly

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Posts: 345

5/20/13 11:49:07 AM#51
Originally posted by Shadowguy64
Originally posted by kevjards

Having took the time to read up on this I decided to login and have a go at the game.after 5 mins I gave up and decided this fiasco has ruined it for me.decided to uninstall and that's me done..i cannot believe they are refusing to do a wipe and start again.what gets me is there will be loads of honest people feeling the same..has always the fucking low lifes ruin it for others.they are not happy getting a game for free with no sub fee they have totally destroyed the fuckin economy.

if they do a wipe I may come back but only if its a wipe.roll back is no good especially if the length of time this has being going on.

 

Interesting, since none of the exploits could possibly affect you in your first 5 minutes of gameplay. Literally ZERO effect,.

You need Astral Diamonds to chase the Nasher Gang that stole the crown! and to kill the big baddie thats stupid easy at the bridge... Remember? 

  Cochran1

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5/20/13 12:32:30 PM#52
As I read thread upon thread about this I have to wonder, if this exploit truly did exist 3 or more weeks ago why did it not turn into this massive spectacle it is before yesterday? According to posts everyone knew about it, or better yet they heard that it apparently existed since closed beta. I haven't seen many of these posts claiming they actually knew about the exploit and reported it before yesterday. It leads me to conclude that it existed only a few days and that most are simply jumping on the hearsay bandwagon regurgitating what they've read over the past few days.
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  JeroKane

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5/20/13 1:00:45 PM#53
Originally posted by Cochran1
As I read thread upon thread about this I have to wonder, if this exploit truly did exist 3 or more weeks ago why did it not turn into this massive spectacle it is before yesterday? According to posts everyone knew about it, or better yet they heard that it apparently existed since closed beta. I haven't seen many of these posts claiming they actually knew about the exploit and reported it before yesterday. It leads me to conclude that it existed only a few days and that most are simply jumping on the hearsay bandwagon regurgitating what they've read over the past few days.

 People already posted proof about it. The bug also existed in STO. Their other game.

All build on the same engine, same toolset and running on same infrastructure.

Neverwinter is just copy pasted from STO and reskinned. STO was the test environment for the Foundry system. They even publically stated it that it was to test the waters for Neverwinter.

So a while ago they plugged the hole of this exploit in STO, but didn't think about plugging it in Neverwinter too.

Mismanagement at it's finest!

  officialfive

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Joined: 7/14/12
Posts: 32

5/20/13 1:08:57 PM#54
Originally posted by BillMurphy

We reached out to Cryptic directly, and are awaiting a response.

"Open beta" or not, this is pretty suspect.

 

Thank you for looking into this Bill. I been beta testing and playing Neverwinter since day (1) one.  Racketeering is running out of control in free to play games. These gaming companies are preying on gamers (out of control) it is suspect.

 
  Axxar

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5/20/13 1:18:10 PM#55
Originally posted by Shadowguy64
Originally posted by Axxar
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by Axxar
Don't release a game in beta stage, devs.

Don't spend money on a game still in beta!

Fortunately I haven't spent a cent. In fact I've never even touched the game. The gameplay footage was enough to put me off.

 

The gameplay is actually quite fun. But maybe not to you. All of my fiends that have tried it think it's fun.

Yeah, some people seem to like it. More power to them. It's not for me, though.

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  Zalmon

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5/20/13 1:20:04 PM#56
Originally posted by Axxar
Originally posted by Shadowguy64
Originally posted by Axxar
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by Axxar
Don't release a game in beta stage, devs.

Don't spend money on a game still in beta!

Fortunately I haven't spent a cent. In fact I've never even touched the game. The gameplay footage was enough to put me off.

 

The gameplay is actually quite fun. But maybe not to you. All of my fiends that have tried it think it's fun.

Yeah, some people seem to like it. More power to them. It's not for me, though.

I would say a lot more than just 'some'. 

  BadOrb

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Posts: 739

5/20/13 1:26:33 PM#57

So we have learnt something new then. Don't have real money transactions in a beta game. You see a game in the beta stage of it's life is in fact not complete , therefore having real money flying around an unfinished product is not the way to go. Hopefully people will learn from this , dev's and users alike. Just don't do it! Or at least if you can join a beta stage in a game don't part with your money until they claim their game is a full and final release.

Cheers,

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  waynejr2

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5/20/13 1:27:20 PM#58
Originally posted by MMOGamer1971
Originally posted by nomadie
Yes lets ban people for doing something we messed up on and lets take it out on them. Go home NW you're drunk.
 

It is called an "exploit" for a reason.  Also read TOS and notice Section 10k.

http://www.perfectworld.com/about/terms

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  So utilizing authorized exploits is ok.  Did they provide a list of unauthorized exploits? 

  Torvaldr

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5/20/13 1:27:55 PM#59
Originally posted by Cochran1
As I read thread upon thread about this I have to wonder, if this exploit truly did exist 3 or more weeks ago why did it not turn into this massive spectacle it is before yesterday? According to posts everyone knew about it, or better yet they heard that it apparently existed since closed beta. I haven't seen many of these posts claiming they actually knew about the exploit and reported it before yesterday. It leads me to conclude that it existed only a few days and that most are simply jumping on the hearsay bandwagon regurgitating what they've read over the past few days.

If it was really a serious issue that these people knew about they certainly didn't throw a big fit about it before.  There were a couple bug reports.  I don't work at Cryptic so I don't know why it took so long to track down and repair the issue, but knowing it was there and watching the problem build up and then waiting until after a crash to scream wipe seems weird to me.

Up until yesterday the Zen / AD conversion rates were normal and trending reasonably.

Other than an altruistic concern for the long term health of the game and Cryptic's reputation the "must wipe now" crowd hasn't explained why they care.  They have something invested in some way that they're not being upfront about.  There is an advantage they have to gain by a wipe, but I'm not exactly sure what it is, but I'm sure they're not being forthcoming about it.

No one takes this strong of a stand about an issue unless they have something personal to gain or lose.

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  udon

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5/20/13 1:29:16 PM#60

What's "repaired" about the exploit?  More like band aided if you ask me.  They disabled the systems people used to exploit the game and to contain the damage, I don't see any fixes yet.

 

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