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  WhiteLantern

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5/19/13 9:13:43 PM#41
I'll pay for a box, sure. But I'm having a hard time these days justifying paying rent to play a game I've already purchased.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  RizelStar

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5/19/13 9:33:58 PM#42
Originally posted by SoMuchMass
Originally posted by Siphaed
 

You're a fool....a fool's fool, to  believe that subscriptions have "perks and fun stuff" compared to non-sub games.   Compare the monthly content updates of a game like Guild Wars 2 to a game like WoW.   There's far more content updates in an not-so-polished, less than a year old game than there have been for an 8 year old, well polished game.  Why is that? Where's the value in the subscription based game if a non-sub game can push out more content updates in a shorter amount of time for just the cost of the box as entry.

GW2 is a bad example of a B2P game.  They launched incomplete with features people expect in modern MMOs.  They don't have dueling, dungeon finder, Battleground finder, UI customization etc.  It was probably due to their limited funds and payment model.

GW2 was launched with 8 dungeons and 1 PvP sPvP mode.  That is extremely behind most modern MMOs, including Tera which had 16 at launch.  Even if GW2 released a dungeon a month it was behind in "content".  But their "content" has mostly been bug fixes.

If WildStar can pull of WoW/Rift style content with a B2P model I would be suprised.  It isn't easy funding a team that can do things like 20 and 40 man raid updates with those models.

 

Wtf is wrong with you? Like I swear people these days...

 

By the way Rift is going F2P and also GW2 is already doinng that shit spite your hate for the game.

It can be done and it can damn sure be done without 15 dollars to, need a reality check ASAP.

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  FlyByKnight

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5/19/13 9:44:41 PM#43

I will never pay for a subscription to any game ever again in life.  Not the way these developers and publishers move.

I would rather buy a game upfront, and purchase "DLC" content and cosmetic items as I desire.

All these games with these subscriptions or dishonest cash shops, fucking off game play to annoy players into buying currency... they're no good.

Developers should be selling content for their game, and making good cosmetic things WORTH peoples purchases. Anything else is uncivilized. Full stop.

  DOGMA1138

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5/19/13 9:58:39 PM#44
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

I will never pay for a subscription to any game ever again in life.  Not the way these developers and publishers move.

I would rather buy a game upfront, and purchase "DLC" content and cosmetic items as I desire.

All these games with these subscriptions or dishonest cash shops, fucking off game play to annoy players into buying currency... they're no good.

Developers should be selling content for their game, and making good cosmetic things WORTH peoples purchases. Anything else is uncivilized. Full stop.

The problem is that DLC can never be produced fast enough and it will require the game to be heavily instanced ontop of splitting the player base.

And no MMO can survive on cosmetic items not unless you make all base items look like brown robes and then you break one of the most important pillars in an RPG which is customization.

Games like LoL can do that since they are not RPG's, they don't add new content champions or skins do not split the player base.

We've seen what items work in MMO's and those items are breaking the game, GW2 is the best case scenario and it's still quite bad, and games like NWN are simply a scam I've seen many people spending over 200$ in it in a very short while simply because for the most part pretty much every realistically achievable item is locked behind a paywall even drops in instances.

 

  jimdandy26

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5/19/13 10:12:38 PM#45
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
I'll pay for a box, sure. But I'm having a hard time these days justifying paying rent to play a game I've already purchased.

 

You did not buy the game, you bought access to a service. Generally said service requires a fee to keep getting access to said service.

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  KingGator

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5/19/13 10:14:19 PM#46
f2p as a model sucks, I would rather subscribe too.
  bestever

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Joined: 12/26/11
Posts: 609

5/19/13 10:35:35 PM#47

I would like to see it done like eve, buy the box and pay a sub and that's it. No more charging for expansions. Buying  a game for 60$ and paying a sub is good enough. If they want to charge for expansions then a sub should only be like 5$ a month.

I also think they need to start the game with a free trial so people can check it out, since I know I'm not the only one tired of spending money on trash. 

Open the game with a 7 day trial, kinda like jumping on a f2p game but if you like it buy it and sub. Simple and I think it would bring more people in.

I can't see the game going F2P. It'll be B2P or SUB.

  Nikopol

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5/19/13 10:35:42 PM#48
Originally posted by Dahkoht
My ideal would be box price plus sub fee and zero cash shop even cosmetic items.

Same here.

I'd be OK with even a higher sub than the usual to not have a cash shop.

 

  bestever

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5/19/13 10:38:34 PM#49
Originally posted by Nikopol
Originally posted by Dahkoht
My ideal would be box price plus sub fee and zero cash shop even cosmetic items.

Same here.

I'd be OK with even a higher sub than the usual to not have a cash shop.

 

Yeah A high sub sounds great. Have fun with the 200 of you that'll pay a high sub. Making the sub higher isn't going to do shit but limit the amount of players.

 

  FlyByKnight

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Posts: 508

5/19/13 10:41:06 PM#50
Originally posted by DOGMA1138
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

I will never pay for a subscription to any game ever again in life.  Not the way these developers and publishers move.

I would rather buy a game upfront, and purchase "DLC" content and cosmetic items as I desire.

All these games with these subscriptions or dishonest cash shops, fucking off game play to annoy players into buying currency... they're no good.

Developers should be selling content for their game, and making good cosmetic things WORTH peoples purchases. Anything else is uncivilized. Full stop.

The problem is that DLC can never be produced fast enough and it will require the game to be heavily instanced ontop of splitting the player base.

And no MMO can survive on cosmetic items not unless you make all base items look like brown robes and then you break one of the most important pillars in an RPG which is customization.

Games like LoL can do that since they are not RPG's, they don't add new content champions or skins do not split the player base.

We've seen what items work in MMO's and those items are breaking the game, GW2 is the best case scenario and it's still quite bad, and games like NWN are simply a scam I've seen many people spending over 200$ in it in a very short while simply because for the most part pretty much every realistically achievable item is locked behind a paywall even drops in instances.

 

This is exactly why I would never ever in life pay for a subscription for a game again... EVER.  If a developer isn't capable of creating new content or cosmetic things enticing enough to purchase as a one off, why would I pay a fee per month?

  tkoreaper

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5/19/13 10:54:49 PM#51
The problem isn't the F2P model itself... it's the way games have decided to implement it.
  Doomedfox

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5/19/13 10:56:38 PM#52
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
I'll pay for a box, sure. But I'm having a hard time these days justifying paying rent to play a game I've already purchased.

So i take it you found a way to NOT pay a monthly Fee to your Cable or Cell phone provider?

After all you paid once so you will not pay monthly right?

Fact is that you paid for the software but for it to work you do need the Company you bought it from to provide the service like the Cell phone or Cable company.

So they make you pay for it.

Honestly i like Monthly subs way more than the F2P models first of all the main focus of all F2P developers is how to make money with the Item Shop.

Sure they will get out new Content and they need to make sure that the players are entertained BUT so does a P2P MMo but the P2P MMO only needs to focus on making the game fun and worth the Money while the F2P ones mainly think about how to milk the players cause without paying players the whole thing doesn't work.

Thats also a point i dislike why would i (and i admit i am a sucker for the Shops) pay someone elses fun?

Cause fact is that without me and all the other paying for stuff from the Item shop all the leeches would not be able to play so for me its like i am giving away my money not only for the game i wanna play but also to make it possible for other people to play.

Its like charity for the needy but instead of supporting something that is worthy of supporting my money supports people who are either way to cheap to spend 15$ a month or just to broke in which case they shouldn't play but get a job anyway.

Maybe i am just an Ass its possible but i just don't like that everytime i spend money on a F2P MMo i support someone not worthy of support.

  tkoreaper

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5/19/13 11:03:17 PM#53
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
I'll pay for a box, sure. But I'm having a hard time these days justifying paying rent to play a game I've already purchased.

So i take it you found a way to NOT pay a monthly Fee to your Cable or Cell phone provider?

After all you paid once so you will not pay monthly right?

Fact is that you paid for the software but for it to work you do need the Company you bought it from to provide the service like the Cell phone or Cable company.

So they make you pay for it.

Honestly i like Monthly subs way more than the F2P models first of all the main focus of all F2P developers is how to make money with the Item Shop.

Sure they will get out new Content and they need to make sure that the players are entertained BUT so does a P2P MMo but the P2P MMO only needs to focus on making the game fun and worth the Money while the F2P ones mainly think about how to milk the players cause without paying players the whole thing doesn't work.

Thats also a point i dislike why would i (and i admit i am a sucker for the Shops) pay someone elses fun?

Cause fact is that without me and all the other paying for stuff from the Item shop all the leeches would not be able to play so for me its like i am giving away my money not only for the game i wanna play but also to make it possible for other people to play.

Its like charity for the needy but instead of supporting something that is worthy of supporting my money supports people who are either way to cheap to spend 15$ a month or just to broke in which case they shouldn't play but get a job anyway.

Maybe i am just an Ass its possible but i just don't like that everytime i spend money on a F2P MMo i support someone not worthy of support.

There's quite a big difference between what you're saying and what the other said... He's not continually paying a fee for the phone... He's paying a fee to use the wireless service.

  Tokken

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5/19/13 11:06:16 PM#54


Originally posted by Rinna
I don't want Wildstar to be free to play.  I want their business model to be exactly like WoW's.  Barrier to entry, submission based, almost all perks and fun stuff are part of a monthly sub, other non-game breaking, cosmetic fluff in a cash shop.

I hate F2P games and the AH crash going on right now in Neverwinter is a perfect example of why.  20 bucks a month... sound fair?  Please give me back sub based gaming.


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  Torvaldr

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5/19/13 11:07:42 PM#55
I would prefer some sort of sub-free model, but if they go p2p it's no biggie to me.  I don't need to play every single game out there.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Doomedfox

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5/19/13 11:13:49 PM#56
Originally posted by tkoreaper
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
I'll pay for a box, sure. But I'm having a hard time these days justifying paying rent to play a game I've already purchased.

So i take it you found a way to NOT pay a monthly Fee to your Cable or Cell phone provider?

After all you paid once so you will not pay monthly right?

Fact is that you paid for the software but for it to work you do need the Company you bought it from to provide the service like the Cell phone or Cable company.

So they make you pay for it.

Honestly i like Monthly subs way more than the F2P models first of all the main focus of all F2P developers is how to make money with the Item Shop.

Sure they will get out new Content and they need to make sure that the players are entertained BUT so does a P2P MMo but the P2P MMO only needs to focus on making the game fun and worth the Money while the F2P ones mainly think about how to milk the players cause without paying players the whole thing doesn't work.

Thats also a point i dislike why would i (and i admit i am a sucker for the Shops) pay someone elses fun?

Cause fact is that without me and all the other paying for stuff from the Item shop all the leeches would not be able to play so for me its like i am giving away my money not only for the game i wanna play but also to make it possible for other people to play.

Its like charity for the needy but instead of supporting something that is worthy of supporting my money supports people who are either way to cheap to spend 15$ a month or just to broke in which case they shouldn't play but get a job anyway.

Maybe i am just an Ass its possible but i just don't like that everytime i spend money on a F2P MMo i support someone not worthy of support.

There's quite a big difference between what you're saying and what the other said... He's not continually paying a fee for the phone... He's paying a fee to use the wireless service.

Indeed and he is not paying monthly to be able to keep his copy of the game he is paying monthly to use the service that game can access like the cell phone can asses the net.....

Stop paying your Phone Bills and stop Paying monthly Fees for an MMO what will happen??

Right in both scenarios you will not loose the Hardware (Phone/Game) but the actually service you could access with it.

So no i am sorry but its not a big difference actually its no difference at all.

  Shelvinarr

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5/19/13 11:13:53 PM#57
It's sad when all I see is the subscription model dying slowly around me, I remember first subbing to Asheron's Call for 9.95 when it came out, I thought I was insane for paying 10 dollars a month to play a video game. But I loved it, then when other games came out and charged 12.95, AC adjusted their prices to stay competitive. I didn't complain, I loved the game, I paid 12.95. Now, all I see are "F2P" this, "Cash shop" that. It breaks my heart, and it makes me sick a little on the inside that the industry has turned into a giant money grab scheme that we all keep falling for. It is us, the gamers, who have allowed this to happen. By playing these games, spending money in these cash shops, we've made sure the "F2P" era has started..and it is now the future. I hope everyone enjoys it, I haven't played a quality MMORPG in a long time.
  bestever

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5/19/13 11:16:25 PM#58
Originally posted by Rinna

I don't want Wildstar to be free to play.  I want their business model to be exactly like WoW's.  Barrier to entry, submission based, almost all perks and fun stuff are part of a monthly sub, other non-game breaking, cosmetic fluff in a cash shop.

I hate F2P games and the AH crash going on right now in Neverwinter is a perfect example of why.  20 bucks a month... sound fair?  Please give me back sub based gaming.

LOL so one F2P game has a bad AH crash and people found a bug that lets them dupe and its a perfect example of what can happen if they miss it and thats about it. This is the only time I've even seen this so you can't say it would happen in wildstar.

20$ for a sub NOOOOO. They can do plenty with a sub but no reason to raise it up. A higher sub is only going to limit the amount of players and that's it. It won't stop a cash shop and we all know this because wow has one and doesn't need one.

 

  bestever

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5/19/13 11:20:47 PM#59
Originally posted by Shelvinarr
It's sad when all I see is the subscription model dying slowly around me, I remember first subbing to Asheron's Call for 9.95 when it came out, I thought I was insane for paying 10 dollars a month to play a video game. But I loved it, then when other games came out and charged 12.95, AC adjusted their prices to stay competitive. I didn't complain, I loved the game, I paid 12.95. Now, all I see are "F2P" this, "Cash shop" that. It breaks my heart, and it makes me sick a little on the inside that the industry has turned into a giant money grab scheme that we all keep falling for. It is us, the gamers, who have allowed this to happen. By playing these games, spending money in these cash shops, we've made sure the "F2P" era has started..and it is now the future. I hope everyone enjoys it, I haven't played a quality MMORPG in a long time.

That's because any mmo is a cash grab. I mean really, you think 14.99$ a month isn't a cash grab, but spending 14.99$ a month in a cash shop is. Love the logic on this site just love it.

  deveilblad

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5/19/13 11:26:12 PM#60
Originally posted by FlyByKnight
Originally posted by DOGMA1138
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

I will never pay for a subscription to any game ever again in life.  Not the way these developers and publishers move.

I would rather buy a game upfront, and purchase "DLC" content and cosmetic items as I desire.

All these games with these subscriptions or dishonest cash shops, fucking off game play to annoy players into buying currency... they're no good.

Developers should be selling content for their game, and making good cosmetic things WORTH peoples purchases. Anything else is uncivilized. Full stop.

The problem is that DLC can never be produced fast enough and it will require the game to be heavily instanced ontop of splitting the player base.

And no MMO can survive on cosmetic items not unless you make all base items look like brown robes and then you break one of the most important pillars in an RPG which is customization.

Games like LoL can do that since they are not RPG's, they don't add new content champions or skins do not split the player base.

We've seen what items work in MMO's and those items are breaking the game, GW2 is the best case scenario and it's still quite bad, and games like NWN are simply a scam I've seen many people spending over 200$ in it in a very short while simply because for the most part pretty much every realistically achievable item is locked behind a paywall even drops in instances.

 

This is exactly why I would never ever in life pay for a subscription for a game again... EVER.  If a developer isn't capable of creating new content or cosmetic things enticing enough to purchase as a one off, why would I pay a fee per month?

Is this for real ? F2P models are bad for the exact reason you just wrote... The team is so focused on coming out with schemes to make money out of the cash shop, they don't have time to create real content. A steady flow of money every month from a subscription makes the investors happy while giving time to create real content...

 

Personally, I would like a sub for Wildstar, but as some have said, I would buy the initial box + sub and free expansions. The way WoW works with an initial box price + sub + expansion full price is a little extreme... For the cash shop, if it's one like WoW where it's not even in game and only offers mounts and pets, do what you want I don't care. Only as long as it's mounts, pets, and perhaps costumes ? With the housing system so integrated into the gameplay, leave housing items out of any cash hop there might be...

 

What I would like to pay for Wildstar in terms of sub : 13.99$ a month ( just to beat WoW lol ) going to 9.99$ per month if you sub for 12 months.

 

Originally posted by bestever
Originally posted by Shelvinarr
It's sad when all I see is the subscription model dying slowly around me, I remember first subbing to Asheron's Call for 9.95 when it came out, I thought I was insane for paying 10 dollars a month to play a video game. But I loved it, then when other games came out and charged 12.95, AC adjusted their prices to stay competitive. I didn't complain, I loved the game, I paid 12.95. Now, all I see are "F2P" this, "Cash shop" that. It breaks my heart, and it makes me sick a little on the inside that the industry has turned into a giant money grab scheme that we all keep falling for. It is us, the gamers, who have allowed this to happen. By playing these games, spending money in these cash shops, we've made sure the "F2P" era has started..and it is now the future. I hope everyone enjoys it, I haven't played a quality MMORPG in a long time.

That's because any mmo is a cash grab. I mean really, you think 14.99$ a month isn't a cash grab, but spending 14.99$ a month in a cash shop is. Love the logic on this site just love it.

Because F2P games do not cost 14.99$ a month to play to their full extent, more like...149.99$ a month... (obvious hyperbole thank you... ) and I'm sorry, but paying for bag space and character slots is just so ridiculous...

 

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