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  Rinna

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OP  5/19/13 4:48:53 PM#1

I don't want Wildstar to be free to play.  I want their business model to be exactly like WoW's.  Barrier to entry, submission based, almost all perks and fun stuff are part of a monthly sub, other non-game breaking, cosmetic fluff in a cash shop.

I hate F2P games and the AH crash going on right now in Neverwinter is a perfect example of why.  20 bucks a month... sound fair?  Please give me back sub based gaming.

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  jimdandy26

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5/19/13 4:54:24 PM#2
Well, besides the number of other threads this could have gone in, no. I would rather the company did not gouge with box+sub+cash shop like WoW has done.

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  Dogblaster

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5/19/13 4:56:18 PM#3
Originally posted by Rinna

I don't want Wildstar to be free to play.  I want their business model to be exactly like WoW's.  Barrier to entry, submission based, almost all perks and fun stuff are part of a monthly sub, other non-game breaking, cosmetic fluff in a cash shop.

I hate F2P games and the AH crash going on right now in Neverwinter is a perfect example of why.  20 bucks a month... sound fair?  Please give me back sub based gaming.

Dont worry .. I can guarantee you that WildStar is not going to be f2p.

Its either p2p or maybe b2p.

  Dahkoht

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5/19/13 4:59:33 PM#4
My ideal would be box price plus sub fee and zero cash shop even cosmetic items.
  silvermember

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5/19/13 5:02:50 PM#5
Originally posted by Rinna

I don't want Wildstar to be free to play.  I want their business model to be exactly like WoW's.  Barrier to entry, submission based, almost all perks and fun stuff are part of a monthly sub, other non-game breaking, cosmetic fluff in a cash shop.

I hate F2P games and the AH crash going on right now in Neverwinter is a perfect example of why.  20 bucks a month... sound fair?  Please give me back sub based gaming.

If it makes you feel any better, what YOU want isn't relevant to the NCsoft. If you really want to influence their decision supposedly by 6.5% of the company and you can have your opinions heard.

 

ADDED: btw isn't it a little too early to be saying you prefer a sub f2p? I have been around mmo to know that people like YOU are the first to complain about the game the game saying it is not worth the sub. 

  rojoArcueid

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5/19/13 5:03:01 PM#6

its totally understandable that some people prefer subscriptions for various reasons. That is your preference and that is fine.

 

I would be happy to purchase the game and any expansions and cosmetic fluff in cash shop, but i will not subscribe.

I have purchased every subscription mmo that came out in the last few years and all of them are Free to play now with subscription option or buy to play with sub option too. Wildstar has potential to go the same route and i will wait for that day to play it past the first free 30 days. That is my preference and that is also fine.

  DamonVile

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5/19/13 5:06:23 PM#7

It blows me away that there are ppl out there that think a cash shop selling ANYTHING in a sub game is ok.

Even blizzard has said the age of subs is probably coming to an end. The market has changed.

  DOGMA1138

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5/19/13 5:09:09 PM#8
Originally posted by jimdandy26
Well, besides the number of other threads this could have gone in, no. I would rather the company did not gouge with box+sub+cash shop like WoW has done.

WoW gauges players? The in game store(and that's a stretch since it's not actually in game) has 0 relevant items, people spend far more in "F2P" games that lock pretty much every basic goal/feature behind some kind of a microtransaction.

If you want to spend 20 Euro's for a pet or a mount when their counterparts is just as easily(heck even more) achievable in game it's your problem.

If blizzard could convert WoW to a F2P title with an item mall they would've done so, the problem is that the cost of it will be just too much with how the game is set up. F2P games make more per player than sub games sadly because there are enough people who think spending 100$+ a month on a game is something you should do no matter how much disposable income you have, and kids have very easy access to their parents credit cards these days.

 

  SoMuchMass

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5/19/13 5:09:35 PM#9
Originally posted by DamonVile

It blows me away that there are ppl out there that think a cash shop selling ANYTHING in a sub game is ok.

Even blizzard has said the age of subs is probably coming to an end. The market has changed.

The "age of subs" have not come to an end.  Millions of people pay subscriptions to most of their services including entertainment (see Netflix).  What has come to an end is people paying subscription to sub par games.

  reeereee

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5/19/13 5:14:14 PM#10

I can't believe people spend time worrying about this.  Any game that has a prayer of selling a few hundred thousand $60 boxes will go that route.  Any game that thinks what they're offering is good enough people will pay for a sub will ask for it...  it's six months down the line when a lot people have stopped thinking the game is worth paying a sub that f2p time comes.

 

If the game delivers on it's hype then there is no reason to worry about f2p, and if it doesn't, then who cares?

  TheHavok

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5/19/13 5:14:43 PM#11
Originally posted by silvermember
Originally posted by Rinna

I don't want Wildstar to be free to play.  I want their business model to be exactly like WoW's.  Barrier to entry, submission based, almost all perks and fun stuff are part of a monthly sub, other non-game breaking, cosmetic fluff in a cash shop.

I hate F2P games and the AH crash going on right now in Neverwinter is a perfect example of why.  20 bucks a month... sound fair?  Please give me back sub based gaming.

If it makes you feel any better, what YOU want isn't relevant to the NCsoft. If you really want to influence their decision supposedly by 6.5% of the company and you can have your opinions heard.

 

ADDED: btw isn't it a little too early to be saying you prefer a sub f2p? I have been around mmo to know that people like YOU are the first to complain about the game the game saying it is not worth the sub. 

And that was suppose to make them feel better how? OP simply stated they wanted  P2P model for wildstar. Why exactly does that draw a knee jerk angry reaction from you?

  Fusion

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5/19/13 5:16:30 PM#12
Originally posted by jimdandy26
Well, besides the number of other threads this could have gone in, no. I would rather the company did not gouge with box+sub+cash shop like WoW has done.

WoW cash-shop came something like 2-3years after launch? and it had couple of mounts and it wasn't integrated into the game client (atleast when i last played back in WotLK), out of sight, out of mind.

Nothing in WoW cash-shop was/is worth the money.

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  silvermember

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5/19/13 5:16:49 PM#13
Originally posted by SoMuchMass
Originally posted by DamonVile

It blows me away that there are ppl out there that think a cash shop selling ANYTHING in a sub game is ok.

Even blizzard has said the age of subs is probably coming to an end. The market has changed.

The "age of subs" have not come to an end.  Millions of people pay subscriptions to most of their services including entertainment (see Netflix).  What has come to an end is people paying subscription to sub par games.

That is because you are comparing 2 different situations.

Cable on average cost 50 bucks at month. Generally, you have NO other options, you either pay it or enjoy your free 3 channels. MMO are different, you have a lot of choices. You can pretty much avoid paying for an MMO and still play an MMO. For cable, unless you want to torrent (which most people dont), netflix is a great alternative for those people. 

Soooooooooooooooooooooo, YOU CANNOT compare netflix to game subscription. Not only that, but with netflix you can watch a lot of different shows. with an MMO subscription you play the same content month after month and if you need new content they generally charge you a 39.99, while my netflix sub will still cost me 9 bucks. 

TL;DR

Netflix offer more value and cheaper than cable. Subscription are not much better than a lot of f2p games.

  silvermember

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5/19/13 5:19:52 PM#14
Originally posted by TheHavok
Originally posted by silvermember
Originally posted by Rinna

I don't want Wildstar to be free to play.  I want their business model to be exactly like WoW's.  Barrier to entry, submission based, almost all perks and fun stuff are part of a monthly sub, other non-game breaking, cosmetic fluff in a cash shop.

I hate F2P games and the AH crash going on right now in Neverwinter is a perfect example of why.  20 bucks a month... sound fair?  Please give me back sub based gaming.

If it makes you feel any better, what YOU want isn't relevant to the NCsoft. If you really want to influence their decision supposedly by 6.5% of the company and you can have your opinions heard.

 

ADDED: btw isn't it a little too early to be saying you prefer a sub f2p? I have been around mmo to know that people like YOU are the first to complain about the game the game saying it is not worth the sub. 

And that was suppose to make them feel better how? OP simply stated they wanted  P2P model for wildstar. Why exactly does that draw a knee jerk angry reaction from you?

It wasn't suppose to make the OP feel better, I was simply giving the OP a realistic answer (I know how ppl hate answer that contradict their own on game forums0. Ultimately, what the OP wants and what i want, is irrelevant to Ncsoft, they are gonna go with the payment method that makes them the most money.

  EternalSage2000

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5/19/13 5:22:11 PM#15

I tend to prefer the kinds of people who are willing to shell out a little cash for monthly sub, over the people who feel they are entitled to everything without paying anything.

 

  Siphaed

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5/19/13 5:25:28 PM#16
Originally posted by Rinna

I don't want Wildstar to be free to play.  I want their business model to be exactly like WoW's.  Barrier to entry, submission based, almost all perks and fun stuff are part of a monthly sub, other non-game breaking, cosmetic fluff in a cash shop.

I hate F2P games and the AH crash going on right now in Neverwinter is a perfect example of why.  20 bucks a month... sound fair?  Please give me back sub based gaming.

You're a fool....a fool's fool, to  believe that subscriptions have "perks and fun stuff" compared to non-sub games.   Compare the monthly content updates of a game like Guild Wars 2 to a game like WoW.   There's far more content updates in an not-so-polished, less than a year old game than there have been for an 8 year old, well polished game.  Why is that? Where's the value in the subscription based game if a non-sub game can push out more content updates in a shorter amount of time for just the cost of the box as entry.

 

Sure, Neverwinter was/is a 'crash-and-burn' scenario, but that's because it was a predictable end to something made by Cryptic and Perfect Word Entertainment.  I'm unsure on familiarities with PWE, but Cryptic I'm far too familiar with in their negative exploits of Star Trek Online and Champions Online.   They've made milking machines out of both of those games, so why wouldn't they do it for Neverwinter?

 

Unless there's a game out there -other than Rift- that can put an actual value to subscription costs, then there is really no reason to do the whole "subscription" thing anymore.  In fact, Rift is going F2P, which is a tell out of how gating that subscriptions can be, even on a game that does constant content updates for it's players (Rift was far better in updates than WoW was, just as GW2 is...really put a value to the subscriptions, even if it focused heavily on raiding content).

  Dahkoht

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5/19/13 5:34:18 PM#17
Originally posted by EternalSage2000

I tend to prefer the kinds of people who are willing to shell out a little cash for monthly sub, over the people who feel they are entitled to everything without paying anything.

 

An excellent point.

The chat in NW the first few days was enjoyable , the only people playing were founders and guardians who had to spend money.

Then F2P came in.

There are great F2P players.

There are zergs of rude/idiot/cheating F2P players.

I'd lose playing with the friendly F2P players to not have to deal with the second group of them.

  SoMuchMass

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5/19/13 5:34:45 PM#18
Originally posted by Siphaed
 

You're a fool....a fool's fool, to  believe that subscriptions have "perks and fun stuff" compared to non-sub games.   Compare the monthly content updates of a game like Guild Wars 2 to a game like WoW.   There's far more content updates in an not-so-polished, less than a year old game than there have been for an 8 year old, well polished game.  Why is that? Where's the value in the subscription based game if a non-sub game can push out more content updates in a shorter amount of time for just the cost of the box as entry.

GW2 is a bad example of a B2P game.  They launched incomplete with features people expect in modern MMOs.  They don't have dueling, dungeon finder, Battleground finder, UI customization etc.  It was probably due to their limited funds and payment model.

GW2 was launched with 8 dungeons and 1 PvP sPvP mode.  That is extremely behind most modern MMOs, including Tera which had 16 at launch.  Even if GW2 released a dungeon a month it was behind in "content".  But their "content" has mostly been bug fixes.

If WildStar can pull of WoW/Rift style content with a B2P model I would be suprised.  It isn't easy funding a team that can do things like 20 and 40 man raid updates with those models.

 

  Zadawn

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5/19/13 5:37:26 PM#19
Box+sub but no fucking cash shops.Not now,not ever.

  SoMuchMass

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5/19/13 5:37:35 PM#20

Netflix offer more value and cheaper than cable. Subscription are not much better than a lot of f2p games.

"Value" depends on the person.  Most people use Netflix as a complement to their cable subscription not as a replacement, so that whole example was flawed.

Subscriptions to MMOs are still the best value for your money, again that is good MMOs not the generic stuff we keep getting.

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