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  Gorwe

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OP  5/14/13 3:02:11 PM#1

I mean really, even Rift's going f2p. And I predict that we'll have WoW in f2p by this time next year.

So wtf EA?

 

  Shadowguy64

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5/14/13 3:10:42 PM#2
Originally posted by Gorwe

I mean really, even Rift's going f2p. And I predict that we'll have WoW in f2p by this time next year.

So wtf EA? 

 

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  Nitth

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5/14/13 3:12:52 PM#3


Originally posted by Gorwe
I predict that we'll have WoW in f2p by this time next year.

That is not going to happen.


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  Gorwe

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OP  5/14/13 3:35:29 PM#4

I'll put it this way:

Blizz is ADDICTED to 10+ mil numbers. If they fall below 7 mil, the chance of f2p will shoot through the sky. They are already down to 8 mil and I predict that they'll at least touch the 7 mil by the end of next quarter.

And that is called an calculated guess, not a wild gamble. :)

If EA were to make WAR f2p and meanwhile put few ads in say White Dwarf or Hammer n Bolter... Let's say that It'd be prolly the most successful transition ever!

;)

  Kyleran

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5/14/13 3:45:44 PM#5

You're thinking too small, the conversion to F2P would certainly increase revenues and perhaps profits, but not in the order of magnitude that EA tends to think at.

They deal with multi-million dollar revenues and profits, and no matter how WAR is presented, it is a niche title in a niche market and won't draw the kind of bucks that EA would be interested.

The more amazing thing is they haven't shut it down yet, probably due to the agreement they have with the IP holders and it costs them next to nothing to keep it in maintenance mode. (heck, they keep DAOC and UO going, even if only on life support)

 

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  Vorch

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5/14/13 3:47:59 PM#6

Let me put it this way...

WoW could lose 6 million subs next year...and it still would not make sense to go F2P.

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  Ujirik

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5/14/13 4:19:28 PM#7

I doubt Blizzard would take the risk of ruining everything they've accomplished by trying to convert WoW to Free to Play.  WoW will still be number one in terms of subscribers even if they drop down to 2 million.  Going Free to Play could cause many players to quit and a poorly constructed business model might mean the destruction of WoW.  I don't think WoW will be going Free to Play within the next two years at least.

 

The OP said this earlier in the thread:

"I'll put it this way:

Blizz is ADDICTED to 10+ mil numbers. If they fall below 7 mil, the chance of f2p will shoot through the sky. They are already down to 8 mil and I predict that they'll at least touch the 7 mil by the end of next quarter.

And that is called an calculated guess, not a wild gamble. :) "

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  Vapors

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5/14/13 4:22:14 PM#8

The OP just made a tipping mistake i think, he meant Warhammer goes f2p and not World of Warcraft.

Just to mention for further comments about "wow comments"

  SoulStain

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5/14/13 4:51:34 PM#9
I've said it before but the cost of conversion and potential for profit is likely not enough for EA to renew the Warhammer license with Games Workshop. I'm just guessing it was a 10yr license and half of that has already expired..so.
  SoulStain

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5/14/13 4:56:03 PM#10
Originally posted by Vapors

The OP just made a tipping mistake i think, he meant Warhammer goes f2p and not World of Warcraft.

Just to mention for further comments about "wow comments"

No ..it is his belief that WOW will go F2P next year so "what's the deal" with Warhammer taking so long to make the change. I myself wouldn't be surprised if they announce WOW going F2P at Blizzcon with their cash shop offering expansion content unlocks and the usual mounts..pets...potions...etc.

  Miblet

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5/14/13 5:28:45 PM#11
Originally posted by Gorwe

I'll put it this way:

Blizz is ADDICTED to 10+ mil numbers. If they fall below 7 mil, the chance of f2p will shoot through the sky. They are already down to 8 mil and I predict that they'll at least touch the 7 mil by the end of next quarter.

And that is called an calculated guess, not a wild gamble. :)

If EA were to make WAR f2p and meanwhile put few ads in say White Dwarf or Hammer n Bolter... Let's say that It'd be prolly the most successful transition ever!

;)

Blizzard is a shrewd money making business.  If they switched to F2P they would gain a large number of players, they may also at the same time lose a large number of subscribers (those unhappy with F2P modes and those jumping on the 'free' experience).  For a game with such a large playerbase that would be a gamble, an unneccesary gamble at that.  Even if it lost another 5 million it would still be more profitable than any existing freemium model game, possibly more than all the current freemium games combined.

That the game is losing players now shouldn't be a suprise the game is almost a decade old and essentially hasn't changed too much.  It is coming to the end of an expansion cycle which is always a bad time for subscribers, though I have no doubt that a new expansion will not get all the lost subs back.  Your prediction of another million players lost in the next quarter is possible, though far from certain, however if I was Activiion Blizzard I would not switch to F2P from it given the enormous profit it currently draws and will continue to draw from the forseeable future.

 

WAR I don't see going F2P ever.  It is more likely that it would simply shut down.  While profitable currently that has involved strpping back the staff to the bare minimum, the cost of a transition itself may be a barrier the game would be unwilling to risk.

  Slampig

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5/14/13 5:30:23 PM#12
Originally posted by Gorwe

I'll put it this way:

Blizz is ADDICTED to 10+ mil numbers. If they fall below 7 mil, the chance of f2p will shoot through the sky. They are already down to 8 mil and I predict that they'll at least touch the 7 mil by the end of next quarter.

And that is called an calculated guess, not a wild gamble. :)

If EA were to make WAR f2p and meanwhile put few ads in say White Dwarf or Hammer n Bolter... Let's say that It'd be prolly the most successful transition ever!

;)

A million is HOW MANY!?!?

 

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  lizardbones

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5/14/13 6:10:03 PM#13

I'm not sure it counts as being a pillar of P2P if nobody really expected the P2P thing to last forever. I think it actually lasted a lot longer than most people expected.

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WAR going F2P would be good for the game, but probably not nearly as good as EA wants.

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  Gorwe

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OP  5/14/13 6:21:09 PM#14
To soul:

I didn't say next year. I said by this time next year. Your time period is [1.1.2014.-31.12.2014], while mine is [today-14.5.2014.]. And it wouldn't half surprise me to see it(this Rift conversion struck me as "so early?" I expected it around mid autumn{say October}).

As for WAR-I just wish that sth would happen with it. Whatever that is(f2p, lights out, sold out, whatever really). Because this way, one awesome IP is just rotting away(well at least Paps Nurgle is pleased :P ). And that's SUCH A GINORMOUS SHAME.

And back again to WoW-yes they'll start panicking if subs go below 7 mil. Because of three Reasons. First is that the revenue from players is WAY lower than the one at the same time previous year. This begets the second reason and that one is the fact that Blizz has been steadily losing players for what? Over year and a half now? Add these two up and you get the Third move, the move that leaves you with but a single option. Investors start pulling their investments out of Blizz. THAT is why Blizz would be afraid if WoW plummeted below 7 mil. And after that you'd see f2p OR playerbase segregation(I much prefer the former). Segregation on the basis that you are not the targetted "playerbase" for their product.

Now count all the econ/ceo lingo in that paragraph. Believe me. That's how any sane ceo/board member thinks. And neither of those words sounds too player friendly, now does it?

They want to make sure the INVESTORS stay, even if that means that HALF the PLAYERBASE would leave. Econ 101.

God dam. I sound Like Pachter now :)
  User Deleted
5/18/13 6:02:43 PM#15
Originally posted by Gorwe

I mean really, even Rift's going f2p. And I predict that we'll have WoW in f2p by this time next year.

So wtf EA?

 

TRION is making the better business decision with their game and their main reason is to keep up with an evolving market, which makes perfect sense for them. By entering into the hybrid F2P area and out of the subscription era, they become a titan on the scene, rather than a small competitor next to giants. RIFT will enter into direct competition with games like LotRO instead of WoW and that makes solid business sense.

 

WoW can go into decline for probably a decade before it has to resort to any changes. In terms of them willingly changing their model, not a chance. They have flourished on their subscription model and they still have masses of content worthy of a monthly payments.

 

WAR needs far more help than a F2P transition, more so than EA is willing to give. A F2P transition would bring the population in the lakes to a very healthy amount but it wouldn't be long before other areas of the game needed attention as well. It hasn't had a real content update since LotD (some, like myself, will even argue that doesn't count either), endgame RvR progression still needs balancing work, classes still need some balancing work, the RvR campaign needs more meat on its bones, new classes need to be added, a third faction should be added with new races, and PvE work needs to stay on the farthest back burner possible. Even with all that work, it won't catapult to the level of potential it had for at least a few years as it would be playing catch-up (ironically, something Mythic has been doing on that game since launch).

WAR could have a revival if it found a very dedicated fan in EA's conference room willing to give it a chance. It would also need some strong companies and employees behind it. Until then, it will stay in maintenance mode until below the profit line or the IP license expires.

  Gorwe

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OP  5/19/13 6:16:29 PM#16
Well, the only reason why I remember this game is its IP. Warhammer rocks. No questions asked.

And only reason why I keep one Eye on it is because there are no other Warhammer Fantasy RPGs. Simple.

Tho, what I will say is true. EA targeted the wrong audience. And here I was, thinking how EA's bean counters actually could count. Prey tell, which audience is bigger: Warhammer audience or PvP audience? That's a no-brainer decision really. And that's why WAR is where it is now. Few simple ads in White Dwarf/Hammer n Bolter could've fixed everything.

Meh. The sad thing is that graphically outdated WAR still looks better than most games. Just look at Warrior Priests, Knights, Witch Hunters(them especially!), High Elves(!!!), ... Man, that just makes me sad. It also makes me sad how I can't just log in and enjoy crafting/PvE/RP(because none of those is present for at least a year now). And trust me, I WOULD log in if I could do those things. I. FUCKING. LOVE. WARHAMMER. FANTASY.

:( :( :( :( :(
  Robokapp

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5/19/13 6:19:19 PM#17
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Gorwe
I predict that we'll have WoW in f2p by this time next year.


 

That is not going to happen.

it's already f2p.

 

with premium option to unlock level 21+. 

  Eraserhead

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5/20/13 8:42:24 AM#18


Originally posted by Gorwe
I mean really, even Rift's going f2p. And I predict that we'll have WoW in f2p by this time next year.

So wtf EA?

 



You talk as if f2p is both inevitable and desirable when it's neither for more reasons that I can be arsed to explain.

  User Deleted
5/20/13 8:13:37 PM#19
Meh. The sad thing is that graphically outdated WAR still looks better than most games. Just look at Warrior Priests, Knights, Witch Hunters(them especially!), High Elves(!!!), ... Man, that just makes me sad. It also makes me sad how I can't just log in and enjoy crafting/PvE/RP(because none of those is present for at least a year now). And trust me, I WOULD log in if I could do those things. I. FUCKING. LOVE. WARHAMMER. FANTASY.

And Dark Elves don't look good?! Come on, Morathi is the original milf!

 

So much potential wasted in this game.

  strangiato2112

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5/20/13 8:19:07 PM#20
Originally posted by Gorwe
Well, the only reason why I remember this game is its IP. Warhammer rocks. No questions asked.

And only reason why I keep one Eye on it is because there are no other Warhammer Fantasy RPGs. Simple.

Tho, what I will say is true. EA targeted the wrong audience. And here I was, thinking how EA's bean counters actually could count. Prey tell, which audience is bigger: Warhammer audience or PvP audience? That's a no-brainer decision really. And that's why WAR is where it is now. Few simple ads in White Dwarf/Hammer n Bolter could've fixed everything.

Meh. The sad thing is that graphically outdated WAR still looks better than most games. Just look at Warrior Priests, Knights, Witch Hunters(them especially!), High Elves(!!!), ... Man, that just makes me sad. It also makes me sad how I can't just log in and enjoy crafting/PvE/RP(because none of those is present for at least a year now). And trust me, I WOULD log in if I could do those things. I. FUCKING. LOVE. WARHAMMER. FANTASY.

:( :( :( :( :(

Funny thing is the PvE was the best part of WAR.  It was fantastic for lore hounds with the Tome of Knowledge.  but it got typecast as a PvP game along the way, and they quickly started ignoring the PvE.

 

The crafting was atrocious thouugh.

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