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  tawess

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5/14/13 6:49:11 AM#21
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

There are two ways to set prices for F2P.

1) High prices to attract few high spenders.

2) Low prices to attract a lot of low spenders.

Considering it's a mmorpg which strives on population, why not go the smart way and offer low prices for a lot of buyers instead of shitface prices for few heavy spenders.

I just don't see the point in grinding my ass off for the same result other players get for 100$'s.

The game itself is great and I wouldn't hesitate if they took the CS crap out of the game and opened a P2P  server.

 

And here is where you fail. The prices are not high enough to only attract "high spenders"... Scarlet Blade could be put in to that category but most F2P games hover around the "good night out" mark that sits just right with people. You can bet your little white panties that if PWE did not see a substantial profit from the current pricing, it would drop faster then chaps on a chipendale dancer. 

 

So i say again, if the system works why take a chance on lowering the prices permanently in the hope of getting more sales, only to be forced to raise them again is said sales does not happen.

 

Much better to do a sale every now and then.

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  Jyiiga

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5/14/13 9:22:32 AM#22
I wish people would at least get the prices right when they make threads like this. 
  Torvaldr

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5/14/13 9:58:34 AM#23

Originally posted by Slythe

I don't even understand why people would pay for that stuff, in a game where pvp doesn't matter. F2P seriously need to die a horrible, quick death.

Bring back the monthly subs, which would help eliminate a LOT of the douche bag people you encounter in these types of games.

 

So it makes more sense to you that people rent access to a game for $200 per year, but purchasing permanent access to a mount for $45 that all your characters can use is for douche bags.  At the end of the year you need to pay another $200 per year to keep access to your p2p mount while the sub-free player still keeps that mount with no additional fees.

What makes you think someone who is too cheap to spend a $45 one time fee on a mount will be willing to pay an ongoing sub-fee + box/expac fees + the cash shop to play your p2p game?  Did you consider they could be the whiners on the forums that say the game is too expensive?

Originally posted by Jyiiga
I wish people would at least get the prices right when they make threads like this. 

That wouldn't suit their sensationalist agenda.  This is about people being cheap but wanting nice things and not having to earn them through game play or their wallet.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Roin

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5/14/13 10:03:59 AM#24
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Slythe

I don't even understand why people would pay for that stuff, in a game where pvp doesn't matter. F2P seriously need to die a horrible, quick death.

Bring back the monthly subs, which would help eliminate a LOT of the douche bag people you encounter in these types of games.

 

So it makes more sense to you that people rent access to a game for $200 per year, but purchasing permanent access to a mount for $45 that all your characters can use is for douche bags.  At the end of the year you need to pay another $200 per year to keep access to your p2p mount while the sub-free player still keeps that mount with no additional fees.

What makes you think someone who is too cheap to spend a $45 one time fee on a mount will be willing to pay an ongoing sub-fee + box/expac fees + the cash shop to play your p2p game?  Did you consider they could be the whiners on the forums that say the game is too expensive?

Originally posted by Jyiiga
I wish people would at least get the prices right when they make threads like this. 

That wouldn't suit their sensationalist agenda.  This is about people being cheap but wanting nice things and not having to earn them through game play or their wallet.

Stop trying to bring logic into these arguments!

My character is 41 now. Other then that money I dropped on founders pack, I haven't spent a dime in game. The AD that I got from the founders pack has been very useful.

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In Death - Sacrifice.

  Slampig

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Whatever you do, do NOT speak ill of Asheron's Call 2...

5/14/13 10:04:11 AM#25
Originally posted by maple2

hahha i dont know if u people are just stupid or anything but a game with  a cash shop that cost alot of money is nothing new... and also Neverwinter is probly the best F2P game that exist in the market.. and also u quit because of the prices are you somewhat dumb?

 

so you dont quit wow cause its not expensive?

The three things listed in the OPs post add up to $90.

 

For $15 a month I get all that included with my sub in WoW. Math isn't hard...

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  Joejc7135

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5/14/13 10:15:08 AM#26

Good game ruined....FOR YOU. I think that is important to point out. The game isn't ruined for me and many others. Somehow I manage to make it to 30 already without spending a single penny. I don't forsee the need for extra backpack or bank space. I have a free mount. I have heard the cash shop is mandatory at lvl 60. If that holds true then Ill drop the game at that point. Seems weird to shit all over a game just due to it's optional cash shop. by lvl 60 i will have had many hours of fun...and still have the foundry to mess with after i finish content.

I can totally understand voting with your wallet because you don't agree with the pricing. But please stop demeaning those of use who choose to play fun games for fun.

  sado2020

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5/14/13 10:15:19 AM#27

IDK I think some prices are a good bit high, namely the mounts, Im level 30 myself and my wife is level 40. And aside from the keys I haven't really spent too much into the game or saw a need too.

 

Guess it falls into a matter of perspective as my thoughts may change at endgame.

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  thinktank001

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5/14/13 10:21:30 AM#28
Originally posted by Torvaldr 

So it makes more sense to you that people rent access to a game for $200 per year, but purchasing permanent access to a mount for $45 that all your characters can use is for douche bags.  At the end of the year you need to pay another $200 per year to keep access to your p2p mount while the sub-free player still keeps that mount with no additional fees.

What makes you think someone who is too cheap to spend a $45 one time fee on a mount will be willing to pay an ongoing sub-fee + box/expac fees + the cash shop to play your p2p game?  Did you consider they could be the whiners on the forums that say the game is too expensive?

 

Any player that believes a mount is a one time fee is being completely naïve.   It is just a matter of time before they add a better mount and it will cost another $45 dollars.  Not to mention, they will probably add new mounts equivalent to the current ones, but just more flashy.   This is on top of every yearly expansion that will probably bring new equipment that makes your current equipment junk so all players have to purchase upgrading materials through the cash shop again.

 

A player can play for free, but it will be the same as every other cash shop based game.  Players need to grind in game currency to purchase cash shop items from other players, and your grinding will get longer every update, since every other player that is grinding will add to inflation.    

 

 

  Malkos

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5/14/13 10:37:12 AM#29
Originally posted by thinktank001
Originally posted by Torvaldr 

So it makes more sense to you that people rent access to a game for $200 per year, but purchasing permanent access to a mount for $45 that all your characters can use is for douche bags.  At the end of the year you need to pay another $200 per year to keep access to your p2p mount while the sub-free player still keeps that mount with no additional fees.

What makes you think someone who is too cheap to spend a $45 one time fee on a mount will be willing to pay an ongoing sub-fee + box/expac fees + the cash shop to play your p2p game?  Did you consider they could be the whiners on the forums that say the game is too expensive?

 

Any player that believes a mount is a one time fee is being completely naïve.   It is just a matter of time before they add a better mount and it will cost another $45 dollars.  Not to mention, they will probably add new mounts equivalent to the current ones, but just more flashy.   This is on top of every yearly expansion that will probably bring new equipment that makes your current equipment junk so all players have to purchase upgrading materials through the cash shop again.

 

A player can play for free, but it will be the same as every other cash shop based game.  Players need to grind in game currency to purchase cash shop items from other players, and your grinding will get longer every update, since every other player that is grinding will add to inflation.    

 

 

Not to mention the fact that with new updates, quite a bit of that goes to the cash shop. In a lot of f2p games with hoist a cash shop that they want to make "important" a lot of the content that is added is not accessible to people who don't shell out some cash.

Say a new level cap arrives. That means prime time for xp boosters to get to that cap the fastest, so they have a bit of a sale. But combine this with the fact that they make the grind to the new cap grueling and long winded -without- those boosters.

 

While a lot of the stuff in the f2p games can be done just with more effort, a lot of the times it's a LOT more effort. And if I want to keep up and make the game like that sub game that charges 15$ a month for everything, I probably have to pay a good sum more than 200$ a year.

  Torvaldr

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5/14/13 10:47:03 AM#30
Originally posted by thinktank001
Originally posted by Torvaldr 

So it makes more sense to you that people rent access to a game for $200 per year, but purchasing permanent access to a mount for $45 that all your characters can use is for douche bags.  At the end of the year you need to pay another $200 per year to keep access to your p2p mount while the sub-free player still keeps that mount with no additional fees.

What makes you think someone who is too cheap to spend a $45 one time fee on a mount will be willing to pay an ongoing sub-fee + box/expac fees + the cash shop to play your p2p game?  Did you consider they could be the whiners on the forums that say the game is too expensive?

Any player that believes a mount is a one time fee is being completely naïve.   It is just a matter of time before they add a better mount and it will cost another $45 dollars.  Not to mention, they will probably add new mounts equivalent to the current ones, but just more flashy.   This is on top of every yearly expansion that will probably bring new equipment that makes your current equipment junk so all players have to purchase upgrading materials through the cash shop again.

A player can play for free, but it will be the same as every other cash shop based game.  Players need to grind in game currency to purchase cash shop items from other players, and your grinding will get longer every update, since every other player that is grinding will add to inflation.    

I think you may be confused with the definition of a one time fee.  It's a fee you pay ONCE.  The mount you only pay for one time.  You may buy additional stuff or even another mount, but you're not paying for that mount again.  You don't need to pay any more money to access the mount again, thus we call that a "one time fee".

Adding new paid content is not just the purview of sub-free games.  If you pay your $200 per year sub and then an xpac comes along you still have to pay another $40 - $80 on top of that and we're not even counting the fact that all those sub-locked games have rmt or cash shops of some kind too.

So let's say I buy a $45 mount this year.  It still works next year even if they add one that looks different.  Games don't add progressively faster mounts on an annual or semi-annual basis do they?  No, they don't.  Over the life of the game they might improve transport speed and options one or two times.  So your argument is pretty weak and specious.

So far in sub-free games with cash shops I've been able to play just as I have in sub-locked games by spending around $15 per month.  I usually spend in chunks though so I buy $50 - $80 worth of stuff every 4 - 6 months rather than doing it in $15 increments on a monthly basis.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Yalexy

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5/14/13 11:10:56 AM#31


Originally posted by maple2
hahha i dont know if u people are just stupid or anything but a game with  a cash shop that cost alot of money is nothing new... and also Neverwinter is probly the best F2P game that exist in the market.. and also u quit because of the prices are you somewhat dumb?

 

so you dont quit wow cause its not expensive?


I'm happily paying $15/month, as I get everything the game has to offer on a fixed pricetag, and more importantly, these $15/month are for everyone leveling the playingfield, especially in PvP.

F2P will allways be P2W and I don't support this.

  Battlerock

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5/14/13 11:17:59 AM#32
Go play something else. I have spent over $3500 and I dont regret one bit of it. Im having the time of my life and I made a ton of new friends. Im flying out to Chicago this weekend to meet some of them in person too. Neverwinter is never going to die.
  DAS1337

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5/14/13 11:22:22 AM#33
Originally posted by Rhazmuz
Originally posted by korent1991

The prices are blown out of proportions but it was expected since it's PWE behind it.

I don't really understand, wouldn't it be better if prices were 5-10-15$... That way more people would buy it and they'd get alot more money and players wouldn't feel they're being ripped off xD

You se this argument alot.

However I would like to see the evidence for this? Seeing as this is a "simple" maximisation problem, I find it interesting that we have so many gamers who are better economists than those we assume to be employed by the gaming companies, and seemingly have no clue how to get max revenue from their games.

Are we assuming the companie shave no clue how to gauge prices, and simply pull out numbers from their arses, not looking at their previous offereings and the revenue levels these games yielded at certain pricepoints?

Ah.. should we then think that companies know what they are doing all the time?  Is that your solution?  

 

I personally would be more interested in buying something at a cheaper cost if I had the chance.  Is it true that a mount is about the price of the game that you are playing if it were B2P?  Why in the world would I spend that much money on a mount?  All F2P is, most of the time, is a cash grab.  And all of you idiots keep this business model alive by paying for things that should have been included in the game to begin with.

 

Does anyone remember Dragon Age?  The day of it's release, they had DLC in the store.  Do you find that acceptable too?  To already have finished content that should be part of the released game, but to sell it as DLC to make a little extra money?  

 

Cash shops are the devil.  It's just a means to be a lazy developer and take advantage of all of the dumbasses who play MMO's.

  SpottyGekko

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5/14/13 11:48:05 AM#34
Originally posted by Torvaldr

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So it makes more sense to you that people rent access to a game for $200 per year, but purchasing permanent access to a mount for $45 that all your characters can use is for douche bags.  At the end of the year you need to pay another $200 per year to keep access to your p2p mount while the sub-free player still keeps that mount with no additional fees.

...

 

Who on earth pays $200 to "rent access" to a game ? Which game is that, and how many players does it have ?

 

In all the P2P games I've played in the last 11 years, I've never paid more than about $100-$120 per year for a sub. That's the going rate if you take annual subs, and 6-month subs don't work out to a great deal more.

 

And for that paltry sum, I could access every single bit of content in the game. I could craft my own extra bags for inventory space, earn cool mounts and outfits through normal gameplay, and I knew EXACTLY how much money the game would cost me. 

 

 

  Reklaw

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5/14/13 12:26:26 PM#35
Originally posted by 4Renziks
These prices are a total rip off...something most be wrong...so for 1 extra bag is 15 bucks? for a rock guy 30bucks? for a mount 45bucks...no way...someone wake me up..these prices are wrong right?

 Do those things in their cashshop enhance your fun level that much?

Yes the bag limit is sometimes annoying but then again a quick stop back to the main city to store enchantment is done pretty quickly. By now (Control Wizard level 35) don't loot everything, unless I see use for it to sell or need it myself. My resource tab seems to be holding steady and thankfully everything stacks.

Rock guy?

Mounts? again do you really need them, perhaps they might make you look cooler, but I hardly see any use for them, still have 2 out of my 3 rental horses, I just like to kill everything on my way (PVE wise) aswell explore every inch for the use of my kits.

As you might have read I admit to having used the cashshop even though I always said I never would in what ever game. But my only reason was to get some key's to open those Nightmare Lockboxes. I plan (for now) to spend a normal subfee of money on the game each month, that's 15 €. But only for those key's. Because I am not seeing anything I am missing out of when playing the game.

 

  Ujirik

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Joined: 3/27/07
Posts: 457

5/14/13 12:28:22 PM#36
Perfect World Entertainment is known among Free to Play gamers as being one of the most expensive.  They've always had overpriced cash shops in their games and you get very little for your money.  Most of their self developed Free to Play games are completely outrageous to the point of requiring thousands of dollars if you want to be competitive.

  thinktank001

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Joined: 12/13/08
Posts: 1862

5/14/13 1:13:32 PM#37
Originally posted by Torvaldr
    

I think you may be confused with the definition of a one time fee.  It's a fee you pay ONCE.  The mount you only pay for one time.  You may buy additional stuff or even another mount, but you're not paying for that mount again.  You don't need to pay any more money to access the mount again, thus we call that a "one time fee".

 

The definition of one time fee is only paying once, but that isn't how the term is used.   The proper usage of the term " one time fee " in this case would be paying once and having access to all the mounts in the store.  

 

 

  Joejc7135

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Joined: 5/06/13
Posts: 205

5/14/13 3:14:30 PM#38
Originally posted by thinktank001
Originally posted by Torvaldr
    

I think you may be confused with the definition of a one time fee.  It's a fee you pay ONCE.  The mount you only pay for one time.  You may buy additional stuff or even another mount, but you're not paying for that mount again.  You don't need to pay any more money to access the mount again, thus we call that a "one time fee".

 

The definition of one time fee is only paying once, but that isn't how the term is used.   The proper usage of the term " one time fee " in this case would be paying once and having access to all the mounts in the store.  

 

 

That would be a one time fee for mount access. Saying there is a one time fee PER mount is not incorrect.

 

  Speakzzz

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Joined: 4/16/11
Posts: 24

5/14/13 3:34:19 PM#39
The ONE problem I have with Neverwinter's cash shop is that you have a 1% chance to fuse 4 enchantments of either rank 6 or 7 to a higher tier enchantment. Everything is tradable in the auction house I give you that. What happens when all the epics are being traded for 3k diamonds and those wards that make the fusion chance 100% are still trading at 100k diamonds? While the game may not be considered pay to win at this point I think it is vital to look down the road. While you may say its still not pay to win you can earn it in game it just takes a long time. Anything that gives you a huge time advantage is pay to win atleast in my book. So have fun and hopefully you are in the game, but take my advice and build up what astral diamonds you can now. The easy money you can make now will be painstaking to get later.
  Golelorn

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Joined: 4/23/03
Posts: 1069

5/14/13 4:48:39 PM#40

The bag slots are ludicrous. I got the Dire Wolf with my 60 dollar founders purchase, and I won't waste anymore on a companion. Only one worth having is the cleric for 2gp.

Gotta agree the cash shop is outrageously overpriced for what you get. Much better to enjoy the game for free until they wake up.

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