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  PieRad

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5/13/13 6:19:17 AM#21

All you pro F2P'ers, why do you care if someone exploit, all they do is get the gear faster, kinda like how F2P works, those willing to pay get it faster, but they don't "win" anything according to you, so why do you feel the exploiters win something?

Just because they exploit doesn't mean you lose, you'll just get the purples slower.


Hypocrisy if you ask me.

  BizkitNL

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5/13/13 6:37:34 AM#22
Originally posted by PieRad

All you pro F2P'ers, why do you care if someone exploit, all they do is get the gear faster, kinda like how F2P works, those willing to pay get it faster, but they don't "win" anything according to you, so why do you feel the exploiters win something?

Just because they exploit doesn't mean you lose, you'll just get the purples slower.


Hypocrisy if you ask me.

There's always the game's economy to consider. And plain sportsmanship.

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  Muke

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5/13/13 6:38:44 AM#23
Originally posted by wordiz

The exploiting people were doing in the Foundry that lead to the xp and loot nerf was nothing compared to what's going on at end game.

Drake seals can be farmed extremely quick using an exploit on the boss of the T2 Pirate dungeon. Yeah, I thought they fixed it too, nope...just did a  run where a cleric showed us how to farm the boss over and over for T2 loot and seals, about 2 minutes a pop for 1-2 purple drops and 5 seals. People have been doing it like crazy.

At this point most of the top geared players have used one of the two known exploits and most likely others that aren't so widely known about yet. 

I know it isn't typical, especially for a F2P MMO, but I'm almost thinking a post-open beta wipe is in order. 

There's got to be a way to still give people the things that they paid for and reset things when the exploits have been worked out, otherwise we have a game that just comes down to who is the biggest cheater. I don't know how you guys feel, but it kind of ruins it for me knowing a lot have players will be rich forever off of these early exploits as the cost of everything continues to drop in the ah. 

wasn't this game not still in open beta? If so, address it to the devs.

 

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  Reizla

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5/13/13 6:47:20 AM#24
Originally posted by Phry

it won't happen as they would have to refund all that zen people bought/spent in their cash shop. best you can hope for is that they fix the exploits.

And ban the exploiters... I guess they log all items obtained and such so it'd be easy to see who's exploiting and who's not...

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  allegria

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5/13/13 11:56:04 AM#25
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by PieRad

All you pro F2P'ers, why do you care if someone exploit, all they do is get the gear faster, kinda like how F2P works, those willing to pay get it faster, but they don't "win" anything according to you, so why do you feel the exploiters win something?

Just because they exploit doesn't mean you lose, you'll just get the purples slower.


Hypocrisy if you ask me.

There's always the game's economy to consider. And plain sportsmanship.

Indeed.. however I am willing to be the core players of this game over time won't be affected or care about exploits at launch.  Most people will be done with Neverwinter after a month or 2 and on to the next.

  Torvaldr

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5/13/13 12:47:09 PM#26
Originally posted by mcrippins
Originally posted by Sciva

Theres also the AFK PVP groups going around, i confronted a guy in chat getting a group together and he just shrugged it of like it wasn't a bother to the game or anyone else (It is, since PVP gear is BOE). Hopefully PWE and Cryptic can get the banhammers out quickly.

and this is why I wish the game used the sub model instead. 

Check out the Rift forums where people have exploited several game systems to advance their 'raid toons'.  Not only weren't they banned, but Trion really hasn't fixed a few of the exploit flaws (like fishing).  Trion rarely does permabans because then they would lose the revenue.

I really wish Cryptic would pull out the banhammer with this.  There are still people walking around with the Ogre slayer title, AFK pvp leechers advertise in zone, not to mention the pirate boss exploit.  It really is discouraging that people care so little for the community and atmosphere of the game.

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  Sciva

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5/13/13 4:48:12 PM#27
Originally posted by PieRad

All you pro F2P'ers, why do you care if someone exploit, all they do is get the gear faster, kinda like how F2P works, those willing to pay get it faster, but they don't "win" anything according to you, so why do you feel the exploiters win something?

Just because they exploit doesn't mean you lose, you'll just get the purples slower.


Hypocrisy if you ask me.

I care because it creates a negative community and rewards people who do bugger all, granted i haven't paid any money to play the game but that doesn't mean that all the rules should be thrown out of the window, people shouldn't be able to do as they please just because of it.

  wordiz

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OP  5/13/13 6:49:15 PM#28
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by mcrippins
Originally posted by Sciva

Theres also the AFK PVP groups going around, i confronted a guy in chat getting a group together and he just shrugged it of like it wasn't a bother to the game or anyone else (It is, since PVP gear is BOE). Hopefully PWE and Cryptic can get the banhammers out quickly.

and this is why I wish the game used the sub model instead. 

Check out the Rift forums where people have exploited several game systems to advance their 'raid toons'.  Not only weren't they banned, but Trion really hasn't fixed a few of the exploit flaws (like fishing).  Trion rarely does permabans because then they would lose the revenue.

I really wish Cryptic would pull out the banhammer with this.  There are still people walking around with the Ogre slayer title, AFK pvp leechers advertise in zone, not to mention the pirate boss exploit.  It really is discouraging that people care so little for the community and atmosphere of the game.

That would have totally killed Rift for me. Glad I never bothered to go all the way in that game.

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  wordiz

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OP  5/13/13 6:50:28 PM#29
Originally posted by PieRad

All you pro F2P'ers, why do you care if someone exploit, all they do is get the gear faster, kinda like how F2P works, those willing to pay get it faster, but they don't "win" anything according to you, so why do you feel the exploiters win something?

Just because they exploit doesn't mean you lose, you'll just get the purples slower.


Hypocrisy if you ask me.

Sounds like the words of an exploiter to me.

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  SpottyGekko

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5/14/13 1:12:26 PM#30

From a post on the official forums:

 

Yup, no exploits :)

 

  kjempff

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5/14/13 1:40:30 PM#31

Yup working as intended. http://sv.twitch.tv/boolawa/b/403076723

If You ask me, they should take down the servers right now, and take necessary action. With the amounts of exploits so far, I would really prefer a full character wipe after fixes. I am loosing faith fast... yesterday I had fun, today I logged in several times but I can't get myself to do anything.

 

  Sciva

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5/15/13 5:56:25 AM#32

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?243972-Patch-Notes-NW-1-20130416a-23&p=3193252#post3193252

Thank god somthings being done about it, and swiftly.

  User Deleted
5/15/13 6:04:36 AM#33
Originally posted by Sciva

Theres also the AFK PVP groups going around, i confronted a guy in chat getting a group together and he just shrugged it of like it wasn't a bother to the game or anyone else (It is, since PVP gear is BOE). Hopefully PWE and Cryptic can get the banhammers out quickly.

Fix for AFK PvP in the new patch notes. But yeah, hoping they just ban the exploiters. Its the only way.

  Loke666

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5/15/13 6:14:53 AM#34

Something so new like this will always have some kinks and it is likely that it will take a year after launch before they gotten everything right. I think it is worth it though, it really solves the problem with people who play 24/7 and completes all content too fast.

Wiping is only plausible in games where players get endgame gear due to exploit, XP is still easy and fast to get so it isn't worth annoying players over it.

  Vocadi

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5/15/13 7:48:52 AM#35
Considering how fast it is to level in this game regardless of exploits, I think a wipe may make quite a number of people with mains at max level upset. Mad enough to quit and not come back?...remains to be seen but it is plausible. I dont think Cryptic wants to risk that. Really I see these exploiters as a sad commentary on a more prominent type of modern day MMO gamer. Go with the easiest route to success regardless of if its unfair, unbalanced or just wrong.

  kjempff

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5/15/13 12:20:36 PM#36

Good news indeed, and relatively swiftly too. That is halfway for that exploit, the other half is banning and announcing it.

Ok a wipe is exaggerating, but a good compromise could be a fresh server in some months when they worst exploits has been addressed. Nothing lost for anyone, and if you are concerned about "fairness" like me, you can start fresh on that server.

  Dahkoht

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5/15/13 12:37:56 PM#37
The people who say who cares obviously have zero clue of how economies work in game.
Or anywhere for that matter.
  kjempff

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5/15/13 12:52:12 PM#38
Originally posted by Dahkoht
The people who say who cares obviously have zero clue of how economies work in game.
Or anywhere for that matter.

Well yes, or rather they don't have that competetive approach to games. Competetive is the wrong word but I am lacking a better one. It has nothing to do with pvp either.

Its like sports, You play it for fun, but You still want to win. You know who are better than you, and you know whom you are better than. You compare with others, and you can do this because You are under the same rules. Gaming is great because it has many ways to compare with others than just scores. That is what a game is, and if someone gets advantages that breaks this "contract", You loose something important about gaming itself - This is also the bottom line of the whole p2w discussion but lets not go into that, no seriously please don't.

  PAL-18

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5/15/13 1:58:46 PM#39

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after the patch / fix

dear PWI you cant fix these people ,no one can so just ban them and end their miserable virtual life,thanks in advance.

 

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  PieRad

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5/15/13 2:11:45 PM#40
Originally posted by kjempff
Originally posted by Dahkoht
The people who say who cares obviously have zero clue of how economies work in game.
Or anywhere for that matter.

Well yes, or rather they don't have that competetive approach to games. Competetive is the wrong word but I am lacking a better one. It has nothing to do with pvp either.

Its like sports, You play it for fun, but You still want to win. You know who are better than you, and you know whom you are better than. You compare with others, and you can do this because You are under the same rules. Gaming is great because it has many ways to compare with others than just scores. That is what a game is, and if someone gets advantages that breaks this "contract", You loose something important about gaming itself - This is also the bottom line of the whole p2w discussion but lets not go into that, no seriously please don't.

 

When people are talking about F2P in general, it's no big deal, since no one wins by buying stuff.

But when it comes to exploiting, all of sudden it matters if someone get stuff faster?

 

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