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  Magiknight

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Posts: 720

 
OP  5/12/13 10:59:53 PM#41
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by fayknaym
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

Why not ?

 

I understand you're lobying right now but if we start banning everything we don't think it fits in a perfect, pure and morally upright society, we'll be Sieg Heil'ing in no time.

Because it destroys lives. Because it provides nothing in return. Because it is disproportionately affects the poor. Because it breeds social disorder. Because it ruins families.

It has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with not allowing more lives to be ruined.

./rolls eyes.

 

what about the tax revenue it provides to local economy ?

 

I mean you layed out all the negatives, let's be fair. Make a list of the positives too. It's only fair to have a clear perspective.

 

so tell us, now, what are the poitives of gambling ?


The positives are a small amount of money captured by the state and some petty jobs.

And the negatives are a couple losers wasting some money.

seems balanced.

A child's life being destroyed from having gambling addicts for parents is balanced?

If a child's life is possible because his parents got a job and can sustain him...sure.

 

It's sad that i have to do counter-propaganda just to keep this thread objective but that's where we are...

Lots of casino jobs pay less than minimum wage.

  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 720

 
OP  5/12/13 11:00:59 PM#42
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by InsaneDalek

 

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

 

I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. 

So you could change what happened to you.  That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.

 

Guess they'll have to dust themselves off and start over by first taking responsibility for their actions instead of blaming the casinos. 

Is living on the streets and relying on free food taking responsibility? What is taking responsibility?

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4522

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/12/13 11:01:27 PM#43
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by fayknaym
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

Why not ?

 

I understand you're lobying right now but if we start banning everything we don't think it fits in a perfect, pure and morally upright society, we'll be Sieg Heil'ing in no time.

Because it destroys lives. Because it provides nothing in return. Because it is disproportionately affects the poor. Because it breeds social disorder. Because it ruins families.

It has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with not allowing more lives to be ruined.

./rolls eyes.

 

what about the tax revenue it provides to local economy ?

 

I mean you layed out all the negatives, let's be fair. Make a list of the positives too. It's only fair to have a clear perspective.

 

so tell us, now, what are the poitives of gambling ?


The positives are a small amount of money captured by the state and some petty jobs.

And the negatives are a couple losers wasting some money.

seems balanced.

A child's life being destroyed from having gambling addicts for parents is balanced?

If a child's life is possible because his parents got a job and can sustain him...sure.

 

It's sad that i have to do counter-propaganda just to keep this thread objective but that's where we are...

Lots of casino jobs pay less than minimum wage.

Minimum wage offers above-global-average standards of living.

  Magiknight

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 720

 
OP  5/12/13 11:04:03 PM#44
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by fayknaym
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

The gambling industry has as much right to exist as any other.

Why?

In my OP I meant to say "stop predatory gambling", not "stop problem gambling."

Why not ?

 

I understand you're lobying right now but if we start banning everything we don't think it fits in a perfect, pure and morally upright society, we'll be Sieg Heil'ing in no time.

Because it destroys lives. Because it provides nothing in return. Because it is disproportionately affects the poor. Because it breeds social disorder. Because it ruins families.

It has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with not allowing more lives to be ruined.

./rolls eyes.

 

what about the tax revenue it provides to local economy ?

 

I mean you layed out all the negatives, let's be fair. Make a list of the positives too. It's only fair to have a clear perspective.

 

so tell us, now, what are the poitives of gambling ?


The positives are a small amount of money captured by the state and some petty jobs.

And the negatives are a couple losers wasting some money.

seems balanced.

A child's life being destroyed from having gambling addicts for parents is balanced?

If a child's life is possible because his parents got a job and can sustain him...sure.

 

It's sad that i have to do counter-propaganda just to keep this thread objective but that's where we are...

Lots of casino jobs pay less than minimum wage.

Minimum wage offers above-global-average standards of living.


Then you would be glad to take a 5.50 an hour job.

  Robokapp

Elite Member

Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4522

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/12/13 11:04:58 PM#45
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight

 

Lots of casino jobs pay less than minimum wage.

Minimum wage offers above-global-average standards of living.


Then you would be glad to take a 5.50 an hour job.

I have a college degree.

  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 720

 
OP  5/12/13 11:05:25 PM#46
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight

 

Lots of casino jobs pay less than minimum wage.

Minimum wage offers above-global-average standards of living.


Then you would be glad to take a 5.50 an hour job.

I have a college degree.

So do lots of people who have gambled away everything.

  Robokapp

Elite Member

Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4522

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/12/13 11:06:33 PM#47
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight

 

Lots of casino jobs pay less than minimum wage.

Minimum wage offers above-global-average standards of living.


Then you would be glad to take a 5.50 an hour job.

I have a college degree.

So do lots of people who have gambled away everything.

their problem.

 

I haven't and there two casinos in my city.

 

their choice.

  Magiknight

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 720

 
OP  5/12/13 11:10:57 PM#48
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight

 

Lots of casino jobs pay less than minimum wage.

Minimum wage offers above-global-average standards of living.


Then you would be glad to take a 5.50 an hour job.

I have a college degree.

So do lots of people who have gambled away everything.

their problem.

 

I haven't and there two casinos in my city.

 

their choice.

I take it you wouldn't take the 5.50 an hour job you were speaking so highly for the parents to raise their child on. Lots of people haven't gambled too. That's of no consequence. The fact is that people DO and more and more are problem gamblers with each new form of gambling that is introduced. It's not just their problem. Like I said, they steal, murder, have family issues, etc. It's not just their problem if it's affecting everyone else. You don't gamble and other people do....that mean's nothing.

  Robokapp

Elite Member

Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4522

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

5/12/13 11:17:28 PM#49
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight

 

Lots of casino jobs pay less than minimum wage.

Minimum wage offers above-global-average standards of living.


Then you would be glad to take a 5.50 an hour job.

I have a college degree.

So do lots of people who have gambled away everything.

their problem.

 

I haven't and there two casinos in my city.

 

their choice.

I take it you wouldn't take the 5.50 an hour job you were speaking so highly for the parents to raise their child on. Lots of people haven't gambled too. That's of no consequence. The fact is that people DO and more and more are problem gamblers with each new form of gambling that is introduced. It's not just their problem. Like I said, they steal, murder, have family issues, etc. It's not just their problem if it's affecting everyone else. You don't gamble and other people do....that mean's nothing.

I also spent 3 days in Amsterdm yet I'm not a drug addict.

 

I wonder if you'll turn your attention next on shopaholics and these mean evil gov't sponsored stores with their devillish advertisings for discounts and reductions.

 

My, are those evil. preying on innocent shopaholics and baiting them with great deals and low prices...

 

or perhaps you'll look at the porn industry and what that's doing to our society.

 

come to think of it, these problems are everywhere. It's almost as if you have to be responsible of your own damn self to not fall in one or another. We could ban them all, and perhaps install some form of inquisition as deterrant, or we can be responsible about it.

 

and with that I leave you to lobby the death of gambling, porn, shopping centers, violent video games, alcohol, tobacco, energy drinks, sugar, fast food, cough syrup, fossil fuels and horror movies. Maybe sci-fi's too. Just to be safe.

  InsaneDalek

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Joined: 5/01/13
Posts: 123

EXTERMINATE!

5/12/13 11:21:07 PM#50
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by InsaneDalek

 

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

 

I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. 

So you could change what happened to you.  That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.

And that's THEIR FAULT. Not the bloody casino's. It's their fault they let it go that far. It sucks, sure, but people who are capable of enjoying gambling responsibly shouldn't have to lose something they find enjoyable just because some idiot with no self-control gambled away all his / her money.

Everybody knows the odds are skewed greatly in favor of the house. Everybody. The only way to remain ignorant of that fact is to do so willfully.

Someone who has gambled their house away could have easily put down the cards and walked away from the table well before it got to that point. Nobody forced them to gamble, they decided themselves to continue on despite the stakes.

I enjoy gambling quite a bit myself. However, I haven't gone to a casino in quite some time because I know I can't afford to gamble. In other words, I practice self-restraint. Something which very few people seem to do, these days.

Edit: As to the jobs topic, those $5.50 per hour jobs are for waiters / waitresses, who receive tips. Plus many casinos have many, many more jobs which pay very well. Casinos also provide jobs indirectly for both the food and hospitality industry.

And yes, if I needed a job badly you'd better believe I'd take the $5.50 per hour one. It's sure as hell better than zero.

It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.

  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 720

 
OP  5/12/13 11:21:24 PM#51
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Magiknight

 

Lots of casino jobs pay less than minimum wage.

Minimum wage offers above-global-average standards of living.


Then you would be glad to take a 5.50 an hour job.

I have a college degree.

So do lots of people who have gambled away everything.

their problem.

 

I haven't and there two casinos in my city.

 

their choice.

I take it you wouldn't take the 5.50 an hour job you were speaking so highly for the parents to raise their child on. Lots of people haven't gambled too. That's of no consequence. The fact is that people DO and more and more are problem gamblers with each new form of gambling that is introduced. It's not just their problem. Like I said, they steal, murder, have family issues, etc. It's not just their problem if it's affecting everyone else. You don't gamble and other people do....that mean's nothing.

I also spent 3 days in Amsterdm yet I'm not a drug addict.

 

I wonder if you'll turn your attention next on shopaholics and these mean evil gov't sponsored stores with their devillish advertisings for discounts and reductions.

 

My, are those evil. preying on innocent shopaholics and baiting them with great deals and low prices...

 

or perhaps you'll look at the porn industry and what that's doing to our society.

 

come to think of it, these problems are everywhere. It's almost as if you have to be responsible of your own damn self to not fall in one or another. We could ban them all, and perhaps install some form of inquisition as deterrant, or we can be responsible about it.

 

and with that I leave you to lobby the death of gambling, porn, shopping centers, violent video games, alcohol, tobacco, energy drinks, sugar, fast food, gasoline, fossil fuels and horror movies. Maybe sci-fi's too. Just to be safe.

Being responsible for it means advertising appropriately. It means not lying, cheating, or stealing. They could at least take as much as responsibility as the alcohol industry has taken for alcoholics. The government gets way more money from gambling than it does from consumer shoppers. Being responsible about it would mean putting programs in place for people who have been robbed, cheated, and lied to.

Porn, shopping, video games, alcohol, tobacco, etc is all fine by me. Kids learn about that stuff in school anyways.

  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 720

 
OP  5/12/13 11:25:33 PM#52
Originally posted by InsaneDalek
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by InsaneDalek

 

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

 

I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. 

So you could change what happened to you.  That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.

And that's THEIR FAULT. Not the bloody casino's. It's their fault they let it go that far. It sucks, sure, but people who are capable of enjoying gambling responsibly shouldn't have to lose something they find enjoyable just because some idiot with no self-control gambled away all his / her money.

Everybody knows the odds are skewed greatly in favor of the house. Everybody. The only way to remain ignorant of that fact is to do so willfully.

Someone who has gambled their house away could have easily put down the cards and walked away from the table well before it got to that point. Nobody forced them to gamble, they decided themselves to continue on despite the stakes.

I enjoy gambling quite a bit myself. However, I haven't gone to a casino in quite some time because I know I can't afford to gamble. In other words, I practice self-restraint. Something which very few people seem to do, these days.

It's as much the gambling industries fault as the persons. Addiction is a relationship between a person and a substance or action. People who study cocaine addiction don't just study the person, but the drug too.

Who said anything about losing it? Why not do it responsibly. Get rid of the lies. Make the odds apparent for all games. Put limits on how much people can spend. Make sure people who gamble like every day are doing OK. The industry needs to step up their game and take as much responsibility as the players.

No one forces anyone to do anything anymore. No one has the courage for that. So they're smarter about tricking people.

  Magiknight

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OP  5/12/13 11:28:11 PM#53

I know everyone here has had "personal choice" crammed into their heads since pre K but educate yourselves a little. Read a book or at least watch this.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7375124n

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5/12/13 11:34:06 PM#54


Originally posted by Magiknight

Originally posted by InsaneDalek

Originally posted by Magiknight

Originally posted by simsalabim77

Originally posted by InsaneDalek

 
Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof. Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc. It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.  
  I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. 
So you could change what happened to you.  That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.
And that's THEIR FAULT. Not the bloody casino's. It's their fault they let it go that far. It sucks, sure, but people who are capable of enjoying gambling responsibly shouldn't have to lose something they find enjoyable just because some idiot with no self-control gambled away all his / her money. Everybody knows the odds are skewed greatly in favor of the house. Everybody. The only way to remain ignorant of that fact is to do so willfully. Someone who has gambled their house away could have easily put down the cards and walked away from the table well before it got to that point. Nobody forced them to gamble, they decided themselves to continue on despite the stakes. I enjoy gambling quite a bit myself. However, I haven't gone to a casino in quite some time because I know I can't afford to gamble. In other words, I practice self-restraint. Something which very few people seem to do, these days.
It's as much the gambling industries fault as the persons. Addiction is a relationship between a person and a substance or action. People who study cocaine addiction don't just study the person, but the drug too.

Who said anything about losing it? Why not do it responsibly. Get rid of the lies. Make the odds apparent for all games. Put limits on how much people can spend. Make sure people who gamble like every day are doing OK. The industry needs to step up their game and take as much responsibility as the players.

No one forces anyone to do anything anymore. No one has the courage for that. So they're smarter about tricking people.


I think thats fair. Give people the right information to make an informed choice.


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  InsaneDalek

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5/12/13 11:40:32 PM#55
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by InsaneDalek
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by InsaneDalek

 

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

 

I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. 

So you could change what happened to you.  That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.

And that's THEIR FAULT. Not the bloody casino's. It's their fault they let it go that far. It sucks, sure, but people who are capable of enjoying gambling responsibly shouldn't have to lose something they find enjoyable just because some idiot with no self-control gambled away all his / her money.

Everybody knows the odds are skewed greatly in favor of the house. Everybody. The only way to remain ignorant of that fact is to do so willfully.

Someone who has gambled their house away could have easily put down the cards and walked away from the table well before it got to that point. Nobody forced them to gamble, they decided themselves to continue on despite the stakes.

I enjoy gambling quite a bit myself. However, I haven't gone to a casino in quite some time because I know I can't afford to gamble. In other words, I practice self-restraint. Something which very few people seem to do, these days.

It's as much the gambling industries fault as the persons. Addiction is a relationship between a person and a substance or action. People who study cocaine addiction don't just study the person, but the drug too.

Who said anything about losing it? Why not do it responsibly. Get rid of the lies. Make the odds apparent for all games. Put limits on how much people can spend. Make sure people who gamble like every day are doing OK. The industry needs to step up their game and take as much responsibility as the players.

No one forces anyone to do anything anymore. No one has the courage for that. So they're smarter about tricking people.

They don't trick anybody. Read my post again: EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE ODDS ARE SKEWED IN FAVOR OF THE HOUSE.

Limits on spending? What baloney. If I can afford to spend a million dollars gambling, then that's my goddamn business. I shouldn't be limited to half a million just because somebody might exercise poor judgment. It's my money, and I'll spend it as I see fit.

And I'm not going to address your incredibly unrealistic idea of having the casino 'make sure people who gamble a lot are doing okay'. That's just complete and utter hogwash.

I'm done. You seem hell-bent on both ignoring what myself and others have to say when it's not in your favor, and making up false accusations of casinos 'lying' to people. That's bunk. They promise a chance to win, and give you exactly that: a chance.

It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.

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5/12/13 11:41:29 PM#56
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by InsaneDalek

 

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

 

I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. 

So you could change what happened to you.  That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.

 

Guess they'll have to dust themselves off and start over by first taking responsibility for their actions instead of blaming the casinos. 

Is living on the streets and relying on free food taking responsibility? What is taking responsibility?

 

If that's what their actions have led to, then they need to deal with the consequences. I guess it's pretty cold-hearted of me, but I'm fed up with people making excuses for their actions. Yes, their lives might be ruined, but that's how the cookie crumbles. How's that Jurrasic Park quote go? "I don't blame people for their mistakes. But I do ask that they pay for them."

  InsaneDalek

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5/12/13 11:46:54 PM#57
Originally posted by Magiknight

I know everyone here has had "personal choice" crammed into their heads since pre K but educate yourselves a little. Read a book or at least watch this.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7375124n

You know what else triggers those same things? Sex, driving fast, roller coasters, skydiving, base jumping, board games, weightlifting, jogging, outdoor sports, ice hockey... imagine that, pleasurable things trigger pleasurable feelings.

Guess what? It's still the person's fault.

If people like you had their way, nobody would be held accountable for their own actions anymore.

Oh, and take your patronizing, holier-than-thou attitude and shove it up hard. Welcome to my 'blocked' list.

It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.

  Magiknight

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Posts: 720

 
OP  5/12/13 11:58:29 PM#58
Originally posted by InsaneDalek
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by InsaneDalek
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by InsaneDalek

 

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

 

I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. 

So you could change what happened to you.  That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.

And that's THEIR FAULT. Not the bloody casino's. It's their fault they let it go that far. It sucks, sure, but people who are capable of enjoying gambling responsibly shouldn't have to lose something they find enjoyable just because some idiot with no self-control gambled away all his / her money.

Everybody knows the odds are skewed greatly in favor of the house. Everybody. The only way to remain ignorant of that fact is to do so willfully.

Someone who has gambled their house away could have easily put down the cards and walked away from the table well before it got to that point. Nobody forced them to gamble, they decided themselves to continue on despite the stakes.

I enjoy gambling quite a bit myself. However, I haven't gone to a casino in quite some time because I know I can't afford to gamble. In other words, I practice self-restraint. Something which very few people seem to do, these days.

It's as much the gambling industries fault as the persons. Addiction is a relationship between a person and a substance or action. People who study cocaine addiction don't just study the person, but the drug too.

Who said anything about losing it? Why not do it responsibly. Get rid of the lies. Make the odds apparent for all games. Put limits on how much people can spend. Make sure people who gamble like every day are doing OK. The industry needs to step up their game and take as much responsibility as the players.

No one forces anyone to do anything anymore. No one has the courage for that. So they're smarter about tricking people.

They don't trick anybody. Read my post again: EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE ODDS ARE SKEWED IN FAVOR OF THE HOUSE.

Limits on spending? What baloney. If I can afford to spend a million dollars gambling, then that's my goddamn business. I shouldn't be limited to half a million just because somebody might exercise poor judgment. It's my money, and I'll spend it as I see fit.

And I'm not going to address your incredibly unrealistic idea of having the casino 'make sure people who gamble a lot are doing okay'. That's just complete and utter hogwash.

I'm done. You seem hell-bent on both ignoring what myself and others have to say when it's not in your favor, and making up false accusations of casinos 'lying' to people. That's bunk. They promise a chance to win, and give you exactly that: a chance.

Know that the odds are skewed in favor of the house isn't enough. The odds must be made explicit in their ads and when you play. There is 0 chance for a long term player of any gambling game. The exception being the lottery winners, many of whom are now in debt. Bye.

  Magiknight

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OP  5/13/13 12:00:31 AM#59
Originally posted by InsaneDalek
Originally posted by Magiknight

I know everyone here has had "personal choice" crammed into their heads since pre K but educate yourselves a little. Read a book or at least watch this.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7375124n

You know what else triggers those same things? Sex, driving fast, roller coasters, skydiving, base jumping, board games, weightlifting, jogging, outdoor sports, ice hockey... imagine that, pleasurable things trigger pleasurable feelings.

Guess what? It's still the person's fault.

If people like you had their way, nobody would be held accountable for their own actions anymore.

Oh, and take your patronizing, holier-than-thou attitude and shove it up hard. Welcome to my 'blocked' list.

Those things don't ruin lives or harm society. Guess what? The industry is still just as responsible.

  Magiknight

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Posts: 720

 
OP  5/13/13 12:03:45 AM#60
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Magiknight
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by InsaneDalek

 

Bullshit. People are ultimately responsible for their actions. Gambling, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, tobacco use, obesity, etc. aren't afflictions or diseases. They're personal decisions, or the consequences thereof.

Just because some people have problems with gambling doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone who chooses to enjoy it responsibly as well. Same goes for fast food, alcohol, soda, lawn darts, etc.

It's ridiculous how many people worldwide are blaming their mistakes on everyone BUT themselves, then calling for Big Brother to protect them from their own stupidity and poor judgment. It's very much a, "If I can't have it, no one will!", attitude.

 

 

I agree with this 100%. I was a huge fatty at one point who stuffed his face with entire pizzas and 2 liters of soda. I didn't blame the makers of the pizza and soda. I got angry with myself one day and decided to stop being fat. People really need to start taking responsibility for their actions. 

So you could change what happened to you.  That's good. Someone who has gambled away their home and all their savings (maybe 20 years worth) might never get any of that back. Their life as they knew it is over.

 

Guess they'll have to dust themselves off and start over by first taking responsibility for their actions instead of blaming the casinos. 

Is living on the streets and relying on free food taking responsibility? What is taking responsibility?

 

If that's what their actions have led to, then they need to deal with the consequences. I guess it's pretty cold-hearted of me, but I'm fed up with people making excuses for their actions. Yes, their lives might be ruined, but that's how the cookie crumbles. How's that Jurrasic Park quote go? "I don't blame people for their mistakes. But I do ask that they pay for them."

They were lied to and robbed. The gambling industry gets most of their profits from these people. Without these people the gambling industry would crumble.

Blaming the people who ruined their lives is clever enough, and false enough. But at least one thing is accomplished. The direction of resentment against the gambling industry is redirected.

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