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  sunshadow21

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5/10/13 3:36:44 PM#21
All games die, and people need to accept that, but at the same time, that doesn't mean that the deaths should be treated as insignificant. For the people who invested their time and effort into them, either as player or developer, it is something that deserves a bit more than "Get over it." Most folks can and will eventually find a replacement if they really want to, but trying to disregard the disappointment of losing the first one and expecting that process to start and end immediately is both unrealistic and unfair.
  Livnthedream

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5/10/13 3:40:56 PM#22
Originally posted by Beatnik59.

It's one thing to enjoy a cake.  It's another thing to start enjoying a cake, until the baker comes to take it away before you're done.

Even all you can eat buffets have the right to refuse you service. Keep in mind, these ARE services you are paying for. Paying for a happy ending to your massage does not give you the right to fall in love.

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  Leiloni

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5/10/13 3:46:17 PM#23
Originally posted by sunshadow21
All games die, and people need to accept that, but at the same time, that doesn't mean that the deaths should be treated as insignificant. For the people who invested their time and effort into them, either as player or developer, it is something that deserves a bit more than "Get over it." Most folks can and will eventually find a replacement if they really want to, but trying to disregard the disappointment of losing the first one and expecting that process to start and end immediately is both unrealistic and unfair.

You are far too emotionally invested in games and seem to take them a bit too seriously. Yea it's normal to be disappointed if a game is shut down, just like you're disappointed when you're favorite TV show is cancelled. But that's it. It was enjoyable while it lasted and there will be other things to enjoy in the future. It's just a form of entertainment for you. Any friends you made you can keep in touch with. Those that worked in it will find new jobs. There are more important things in life to worry about. Games are not one of them.

 

Things in life change and maybe it's just me, but I'm used to it. You go to different schools as you grow up. You have different jobs as an adult. Friends come and go for various reasons. You have different homes you live in. Life is ever-changing. The key to happiness is learning to roll with it. Appreciate the past, look forward to the future, and live in the present. And I can't say this enough, but it's just a damn game.

  BrodieBroos

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5/10/13 4:16:57 PM#24
They need to stop making crap mmo's and shut down the struggling ones to make way for decent games.

now back to the topic. This makes me miss EQ2 very much and now I'm gonna end up resubbing... danmmit
  tordurbar

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5/10/13 5:06:28 PM#25

My response to this article is mixed. I did not realize how much I enjoyed WOW until shortly after Cata. I felt that the WOW that I bonded with had just been twisted and warped and quit the game. It was a traumatic experience that affected my "real" life. I realized then that I had gone too far. Yes, I still play, and even went back to WOW for a few weeks before MOP, but never with the enthusiasm of that first 6 year run. Many times I thought it would have been better if WOW had died, then I remember playing with my druid and thought not.

I have been scarred. As much as I wanted to make SWTOR the next WOW it did not happen. Rift and GW2 went the same way - great games but not where I wanted to make my home. That is the rub. To me WOW was like a second home. Just like a lost home I still miss it but like time, you cannot go back.

  tordurbar

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5/10/13 5:16:15 PM#26
Originally posted by Leiloni
Originally posted by sunshadow21
All games die, and people need to accept that, but at the same time, that doesn't mean that the deaths should be treated as insignificant. For the people who invested their time and effort into them, either as player or developer, it is something that deserves a bit more than "Get over it." Most folks can and will eventually find a replacement if they really want to, but trying to disregard the disappointment of losing the first one and expecting that process to start and end immediately is both unrealistic and unfair.

You are far too emotionally invested in games and seem to take them a bit too seriously. Yea it's normal to be disappointed if a game is shut down, just like you're disappointed when you're favorite TV show is cancelled. But that's it. It was enjoyable while it lasted and there will be other things to enjoy in the future. It's just a form of entertainment for you. Any friends you made you can keep in touch with. Those that worked in it will find new jobs. There are more important things in life to worry about. Games are not one of them.

 

Things in life change and maybe it's just me, but I'm used to it. You go to different schools as you grow up. You have different jobs as an adult. Friends come and go for various reasons. You have different homes you live in. Life is ever-changing. The key to happiness is learning to roll with it. Appreciate the past, look forward to the future, and live in the present. And I can't say this enough, but it's just a damn game.

 

You do not realize that, for some people, the virtual world is what keeps them sane. After a day of work at customer support I log in and start killing monsters. After a while my anger subsides and I can be the nice guy again. Do I have issues? Most likely! You would too if you were short, fat, ugly and stupid. Well maybe not. It does not really matter. I have found a way to rise above my short-comings in a way that is detrimental only to the monsters of virtual games. LOL. You hear so much about how BAD video games but, for me, they changed my life for the better.

  Icewhite

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5/10/13 5:37:27 PM#27

I think clearly some degrees of 'emotional connection' are less healthy than others.

 

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Ashlura

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5/10/13 6:15:00 PM#28

I guess I have found it to be somewhat different in my MMO career. Im here still in the gaming world and Im near 40 now.  I started with console games and moved my way over to Ultima Online. Since Ultima, I have only tried to replicate that experience in every other game. I have experienced a few great experiences (mostly social with Guilds) and for the most part, I become bored or tired of the game. I guess the closest relation would be drugs. You have that first high and always try to seek out that same high with each new experience, but it is just never the same.

I have actually started playing Ultima Forever to bring back that love and I can tell you Im having a blast again. It isnt the same without all the friends I made in UO, but its still wicked fun compared to anything out there.

I guess I fell in love with UO and until theres a game that captures that much inside of one game, I will feel the same. Rare Hunting, Taming Dragons, Choas/Order, Factions, Guild Warfare, Stealing, PvP, PKing, housing and decorations, etc. It was just a friggin wicked time and no game has compared ever since. SWG was my second favorite.. and after that it's all been garbage WoW like games and not a virtual world. I dont know, I guess I enjoyed the virtual worlds.

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

5/10/13 6:16:23 PM#29
Originally posted by Beatnik59
Originally posted by Kanyl
Originally posted by Beatnik59

If the games have to die, because "that's life," why not enjoy more of life instead of wasting it in a game?

Game cancelation is the #1 reason why I don't play much anymore.  Why throw so much time and money into something that'll just go *poof* whenever a producer feels like it?

It's like saying: "Why eat this delicious cake, when it will be gone after you've eaten it?". Living with thinking of the future is a bad habit, because we should enjoy what we do for the moment! I am the opposite, because I want to enjoy some good mmorpgs before they are gone, like Everquest 2, LOTRO, Vanguard and so on!

 

I can never see the bad thing with "wasting time in a game", because it is something we enjoy doing. Others like to paint, taking a beer at a bar, watching a movie, reading a book and so forth. Those are things that we enjoy with our sences, so why is "A" better than "B"? Because someone told you that? As long as it do not turn into a bad habit or ruin your life in a way, I can't see this problem....

It's one thing to enjoy a cake.  It's another thing to start enjoying a cake, until the baker comes to take it away before you're done.

I agree with practically everything that Beatnik59 has said in this thread.

There is not enough time to enjoy everything, and even cakes or foods/drinks I like even stop being made, and no doubt there is loads of other stuff that I did not try that I would have liked more, but went out of production before getting the chance.

With games there are way more selection. The shutting down of MMOs, does not force you try other MMOs, but makes single player games more attractive again.

I was gutted with the Matrix, Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa, RF Online because I bought them and they shut down before I had a chance to play them, although got a bit more play time in with the Matrix

I was gutted with SWG and poured tonnes of time and money into it.

I was gutted with CoH as invested in a 6 month sub following SOE shutting out EU players from playing DC Universe with sub par company Prosieben, and then CoH shuts down only 2 weeks after buying the 6 month sub, and had no time to get anything serious going. I played bits before 2012 but most of my time was spent on SWG

Also in 2012 EQOA and Phantasy Star Universe got shut down too, making 4 MMOs shut down within 1 year.

The ironic thing is that MMOs usually cost more money than single player games with multiplayer modes, but yet the latter seem to stay active longer, unless they are EA games.

The latest Sim City would have sold more if it was single player / offline friendly

  Ozmodan

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5/10/13 6:34:20 PM#30

That is basically why I won't play a NCSoft game.  You never know when they are going to pull the plug.  

The odd thing is that even today, the 3 oldest commercially available MMO's(UO, EQ and AC1) are still there.  They will eventually go off line someday.  Even Wow will someday close their servers.  I just move on these days, there are so many games out there now and you only have so much casual time to play them.  I keep hoping one of the new games will actually entertain me like these games  or SWG did .   Of the newer games only Wow, Eve, Lotro and SWTOR have found any longevity of play and I really have not played two of them lately.

I try most of the new games, but rarely find one that lasts more than a couple months.  These new games don't have the staying power of the older ones. 

  Thenextbigthing

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5/10/13 6:43:32 PM#31
Why have you used a screen shot from lotro for an article about mmo death? This site really is the pits in slipshod writing and reporting.
  heliopause

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5/10/13 7:04:38 PM#32
The closing of City Of Heroes hit me and it's community of players very hard.  A vast gaming culture as a source of entertainment, creativity and camaraderie pinched out of existence in a heartbeat.
  Burntvet

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5/10/13 8:14:06 PM#33
Originally posted by Leiloni
Originally posted by Burntvet
It is one thing for a game to close down. It is another thing when a game closes down AND there is nothing even similar to take its place. I don't think many care when a "clone" or F2P grinder gets the axe, because there are plenty to choose from with similar game play. But for something like original SWG or Auto Assault (to a lesser extent), there was nothing even close for players to migrate to. So, when an original game goes under, yeah, people feel it more.

People need to be open to the possibility that they may enjoy another game. It doesn't have to be the very same thing. They can enjoy a different game for different reasons if they stop focusing on one specific idea. In short, they need to get over it and move on.

 

Most people do, and try other games and have tried other games. But when everything "new" is just a recycled version of something else with a twist, that doesn't leave much. And thus being miss the game they actually did like.
  adam_nox

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5/11/13 1:03:49 AM#34

I don't reminisce about good times.  Thinking about good times only makes me angry because of how things suck now.  Life just gets shittier every year.

 

Every once in a while, something will remind me of some aspect or trigger a memory of city of heroes, and I don't know how to describe the emotion.  Depressive?  Sad?  It's more complex than that.  Melancholy maybe.  Just not good.  Almost makes me wish that it was like in Eternal Sunshine of the spotless mind, and I could erase my memory of a game so that I'd have one less source of sad thoughts.

  Distopia

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5/11/13 1:39:34 AM#35

After SWG I learned my lesson to never get to comfortable in a game or type of experience. Not that it was exceptionally hard to move on, I just simply loaded up another game. Most of the people I met are still easy to find that's all that matters.

Like others have said it's just a game, something easily replaceable, as long as you can broaden your tastes a bit.

 

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  Scot

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5/11/13 4:48:45 AM#36

I think many of us have that emotional connection, I have met some great people in MMO’s who are friends in real life. We don’t meet all the time as we live so far apart, but there are a few meet ups each year.

The only silver lining about a MMO dying is that the technology that powers MMO’s must move on. You can do some visual upgrades that make a real difference; I remember one from Lotro a couple of years back. But they start to look outdated and getting new players in becomes very difficult.

But that’s not a good thing, it is a sad reality.

 

I would also like to point out the lie to this: “dying MMOs allow us to have beautiful moments with games, which we can then reminisce on fondly.”

Maybe this used to happen, but most players leave after two months these days. I really doubt they can remember any “beautiful moments”, even only couple of years later.

  Rayshe

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5/11/13 4:56:10 AM#37
I understand the emotional Connection well. Back when the game was worth playing i played Face of Mankind religiously, however the community slowly destroyed the game. Those who kept things going left, and over eager CoD Players replaced them turning the game into a Deathmatch Sim with bad combat. If FoM returned to its roots Pre Mile Stone 1 or even just after. i would gladly give up all connections to the games i have (including TSW for those who know me on this site) and charge back to it. Fully willing to pay a sub  just for access itself. The game left that strong a impression on me in its early days. 

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  sexypanda198

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5/11/13 5:01:23 AM#38
Originally posted by cration
Dude. Its just a game.

True but players after many years of playing and putting effort into it can miss the game it was long term routine. No it is not like death of friend or pet but there is no reason person can be sad when company announces the shut down and miss it month after or even years later. Thats great thing about console game or other non-online games can always go back. When your favorite mmo is shut down it's gone forever. You have to understand how long term routine from object that makes you feel good effects the body to really understand. Will i miss game i played month no but mmo i play for several years i grown to love yeah i'm gonna miss it.

  Antiquated

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5/11/13 6:32:55 AM#39

Op needs some bereavement counseling.

Other people, it seems, did not marry their mmos.

  Livnthedream

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5/11/13 6:35:23 AM#40
Originally posted by Antiquated

Op needs some bereavement counseling.

Other people, it seems, did not marry their mmos.

Its just a case of not wanting to climb out of their parents basement and shave their neckbeards like normal people :P

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