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General Discussion  » Neverwinter performance scaling: doesn't need much of a video card, but does need a stronger CPU than is commercially available

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OP  5/09/13 7:20:16 AM#1,3495-8.html

Basically, they took the game engine of Champions Online and Star Trek Online that tried to do way too much on the CPU rather than offloading it to the GPU and then made it do even more on the CPU, likely just by having to draw more stuff without changing the engine itself much.  And they did that without making it scale well to many CPU cores.  Oops.


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5/09/13 7:27:39 AM#2
I am using an old dual-core and there's no problems at all.  Is it PCs with more cores than that having issues?

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5/09/13 7:34:59 AM#3

My old Intel e5200 with Ati4850 can run this around 25FPS at close to maximum settings, with 1680*1050 rez. Drops to 15-20 in the city.  My i5-3470 with AMD 7850 runs this at 1080p, absolute max setting, without any drops below 60FPS, anywhere.

It's a common fact that all MMORPG's are CPU heavy. GW2 is even worse, which on the other hand is understandable, due to more people on screen/map and better graphics.


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5/09/13 7:37:51 AM#4

well i have an i7 2700k @ 4.5ghz, Geforce 670OC, 16gb ram and have 0 issues at all game runs smooth as anything.. thinking about it so did Champions online and STO with my older system.. its not like these are graphically demanding games they are pretty basic graphics wise..





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5/09/13 7:39:46 AM#5
I did find NWN stress my CPU (i5) like few games have, I have my CPU temp hooked up to an LED that changes colour based on how hot it is, blue is under 40°C orange over 40°C and red over 55°C - for most games like Farcry 3, Tribes, Starcraft it stays in the orange but NWN it goes to RED and stays there, it stay around the 59-61°C mark (70°c is limit for i5).

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5/09/13 7:43:01 AM#6
Originally posted by Quizzical,3495-8.html

Basically, they took the game engine of Champions Online and Star Trek Online that tried to do way too much on the CPU rather than offloading it to the GPU and then made it do even more on the CPU, likely just by having to draw more stuff without changing the engine itself much.  And they did that without making it scale well to many CPU cores.  Oops.

Could you post your PCs specs?

Ran it on the following system and only had issues with all options on highest in extremely crowded places (like NeverWinter city), though scaling down stuff like shadows made it run perfectly smooth yet again. I am quite certain this will only be during beta though, as players level up they will undoubtably be more spread out through the world.



OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

CPU: Pentium(R) Dual-Core  CPU E5700  @ 3.00GHz 


GPU: ASUS EAH5570 series (1GB)



The following are the recommended system requirements as seen on the official website:


Recommended System Requirements:

OS: Windows® XP SP3, Windows Vista SP 2, Windows® 7 or Windows 8 

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.8GHz 

Memory: 2GB RAM 

Video: GeForce 8800 or ATI Radeon HD 2900GT (512MB+)

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5/09/13 7:57:19 AM#7
More powerful CPU than is commercially available? Youve got to be joking.

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5/09/13 8:05:03 AM#8

i7 2600k @ 4.7

8gb pc1600 ram

titan sli @ 1124

3240x1920 resolution - Max settings

game runs ~40-50fps in the city,  60+ out in the maps, 80+ in dungeons.




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5/09/13 9:05:55 AM#9

Pretty much locked at 60fps, my monitors refresh rate.

Maybe drops to 50 or so in very big crowds

Running on full settings at 1080p with a 7950 and 8gb RAM.

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5/09/13 9:07:03 AM#10

Those temps are too hot for a cpu, check your air cooling / thermal compound etc..

Cpu shouldn't go above 50 really.

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5/09/13 9:11:49 AM#11

Performancewise, if you can play MMOs like TERA or GW2, you can play NW.

The end.

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5/09/13 9:13:29 AM#12
Originally posted by Dibdabs
I am using an old dual-core and there's no problems at all.  Is it PCs with more cores than that having issues?

I am on a quad core and it runs at 90fps at max settings. Are people actually having issues with this game? Runs as smooth as butter on my 1 year old computer.


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5/09/13 9:16:13 AM#13

"The platform bottleneck is painfully evident. Though, since all of these graphics cards achieve at least 40 FPS, the result is fine."

"The CPU bottleneck is crystal clear on the frame rate over time chart."

"There are no frame time variances of note in this group of hardware."


The article mentions a bottleneck, which every program in the world has (hardware-wise). Whether that is HDD, GFX, CPU, or RAM. The tests were run on (more or less) conventional processors, so I'm not sure how the OP's claim is supported given the Tom's Hardware article.



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5/09/13 9:18:13 AM#14

My laptop I'm using right now is a dinosaur, but it handles well in Neverwinter.  I can run around with 100% resolution (or whatever the first scrolly bar is, as long as you turn shadows off and there isn't smokey or firey textures.  This computer's never done well with alot of smoke or fire in any game...


CPU:  AMD Phenom II N850 Triple-Core Processor 2.2GHz


OS: Windows 7

GPU: AMD M880G with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250


I run it on default settings except i turned off shadows, which I do in just about every game.  I have no clue what FPS I get, but it doesn't seem to be noticeable


Edit: I just bought a new laptop, waiting for it to come.  I can't wait to put it through it's paces haha :)


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5/09/13 9:19:38 AM#15

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5/09/13 9:22:06 AM#16

Sounds like the game is on GPU optimized yet - just hang on. That usually happens in beta testing.


With the graphics of this game, I am surprised it stresses any current CPU as the graphics are garbage.

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5/09/13 9:22:32 AM#17

Originally posted by ShakyMo
ExpressoThose temps are too hot for a cpu, check your air cooling / thermal compound etc..Cpu shouldn't go above 50 really.




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5/09/13 9:23:02 AM#18
That's weird, I'm using a lower-end quad core CPU and have had 0 CPU lag. Occasionally some shuttering or load times but overall I was actually a little impressed with Neverwinter's performance considering it's graphics. It's not amazing but it's at least average, wouldn't complain about it.

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5/09/13 9:23:45 AM#19
Originally posted by ShakyMo

Those temps are too hot for a cpu, check your air cooling / thermal compound etc..

Cpu shouldn't go above 50 really.

Those temps for an i5 chip are well within spec.

Now if he was saying it goes well above 50c when idle then there may be cause for concern but at those temps under load he is fine.

Saying CPUs shouldn't go above 50c at load is just flat out tosh.  Yes. it's great to have them under 50c at load but 70c wouldn't kill a CPU in the realistic lifespan of a computer.


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5/09/13 9:27:25 AM#20

Game runs smooth as butter on my rig, but that's to be expected with a water-cooled i7-3770, nVidia GTX 680 and 16Gb of RAM.


However, I've noticed that in heavily populated areas (altar of the gods in Neverwinter city), the game often draws NPC's as generic placeholder shapes when the player count is high. And by "high", I mean 25 or so... I'm running at max gfx settings, so I don't believe this is caused by my ingame settings ?

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