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News & Features Discussion  » World of Warcraft: Down to Eight Million Subscribers

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5/09/13 5:14:21 AM#121

Wow needs indeed of a retirement! finish that already! but hey Tetris is still selling ahahahah

Next wow expansion: Koala Renegade

Beta tester maniac


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5/09/13 6:06:16 AM#122
Pandaria was made because of the asian market, East didnt like it as I didnt either. The simplication of talents and the easiness of lvling I believe has caused the numbers to go down and I believe they will continue. To me Pandaria was a walk away from  what WOW was based on. When it first came out I really did enjoy playing the game, when  Burning Crusades came out I thought that was a good xpansion, Lich King was very well recieved, then it began to fall with Catacylsm, then it really dropped with Pandaria it may live on but the game has lost it flavor

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5/09/13 6:07:44 AM#123

Well, folks as I predicted some time ago the bubble after the Panda launch has burst now and WoW sub numbers are going down and are at 8 million and dropping fast. I think the business suits who run Blizzard must be worried and they will have to act as the WoW sub number could fall below 5 million by the end of the year. So what can they do? Two things I can think of. One is another large content expansion. They must have this in the pipeline, and could put bodies on the project from other teams to get a product out by  the end of this year or early next year, that could keep the cash cow floating for a while longer. The second option is F2P. This wouldn't be so hard for Blizz as some aspects of the game can be F2P, and they have a cosmetic item cash shop already. The full-on cash shop, such as found in GW2, and the F2P model with perhaps an expansion too could change the game for Blizzard and WoW and see it recapture its fading gaming glories.



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5/09/13 6:22:11 AM#124
I believe CATA has caused the decine in WoW, many have stayed away from MOP because of CATA which is a shame.  CATA by far the worst expansion but MISTS will go down as one of those under-rated expansions because people are bitter over CATA.  MISTS is a gem of an expansions I am sure glad I played it for a few months following release - I almost didn't.

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5/09/13 6:30:42 AM#125
just wondering. if for a game like wow, with 8.3m subs (or ppl paying every month or every hour, but paying) is that much of a problem, then can some1 tell me all the other games with less than 500k subs what must do? this is a joke. after 10 years having 8.3m ppl paying for your product every month or every hour, is A HELL OF ACHIEVEMENT. PERIOD


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5/09/13 6:38:18 AM#126
Originally posted by Manolios
just wondering. if for a game like wow, with 8.3m subs (or ppl paying every month or every hour, but paying) is that much of a problem, then can some1 tell me all the other games with less than 500k subs what must do? this is a joke. after 10 years having 8.3m ppl paying for your product every month or every hour, is A HELL OF ACHIEVEMENT. PERIOD

if you convert the drop into a percentage it's nothing really.

A game with 500k subs loses 10% of subs the headline is;

"Game X loses 50k subs down to 450k subscribers."

WoW loses 10% and the headline reads;  

"WoW loses 1.3 Million subscribers"

They both read quite differently but it's all perception.


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5/09/13 7:40:14 AM#127

There are not enough tuff rednecks to even play Eve on this planet, thats why it keeps around 500k subs.

WoW is like disney its easy to get into to.


Thing with WoW is, they will never let us know how big the EU/USA market is, or how big their 5 cent per hour asia market is.

In the end Blizzard lost players who stood by them for many years and let them walk out due to panda's joke xpac and total destruction of classes that where fun to play and needed a ghostcrawler fuck up rebalance.

He changed to much of the game, not to mention that blizzard left servers to rot for years....

some servers are still begging Blizzard after 4 years to do something about the death of their server, and they are still counting their money and laugh down on those pity souls when they pay a sub.


Blizzard lost players who are left with a very bitter taste after being loyal for many many years.

including me and my wife who will never forget the epic moments we had since vanila.

ashame that a company as blizzard changed to a hungry money wolf.


Made History

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Pink, it's like red but not quite.

5/09/13 7:43:04 AM#128
Guess the whole panda thing didn't work.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.


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5/09/13 7:46:42 AM#129
its totally normal, the game is almost 10 years old, but its still rocking because of the lack of end game content of other games.

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5/09/13 8:23:13 AM#130

OMG a game as old as WOW is loosing subs.. how on earth does that happen..


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5/09/13 8:32:13 AM#131

Every new MMO makes a dent in WoW subs, whether it is temporary or permanent. I wonder when will low critical point of subs be reached, when people will start leaving in droves, for the sheer lack of players required to do any meaningful content?

Edit: NVM my statement above. Forgot about cross-realm PVP and PVE.


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5/09/13 8:39:28 AM#132
Originally posted by netosampaio
its totally normal, the game is almost 10 years old, but its still rocking because of the lack of end game content of other games.

Thats sadly it though, the reason the game is still going strong compared to all other MMOs, is that no other MMO can touch its endgame content.

Developers should have learnt this with AoC.


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5/09/13 8:58:00 AM#133
At 8 million subbers that is still $120 million a month and that doesnt count the cash shop which i would guess puts in another $25 million.  You guys can all be hating on WoW but the truth is, most of us played it for some time and it is STILL making a boatload of money.  It was due to WoW's success that so many investers were willing to fund new MMO's. 
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5/09/13 9:03:14 AM#134

What I find funny is that they are always losing subs in the east... 


Could it be, that the pay per hour model shows actual in-game activity better than the monthly sub model does?  I mean, you pay $15 you're committed to 30 days whether you actually log in or not.  They count you as a happy playing customer because you paid for 30 days.  In the east, you play for one day, that's all they get to count you for.  You were a happy playing customer for 1 day.


I think the east is a better spokesman for the true numbers than the west is... but of course, those who've actually played the game know the actual player base is no where near 8.3 million... we don't need a conference call to tell us what we already see.


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5/09/13 9:08:14 AM#135
Originally posted by Icewhite
Guess the whole panda thing didn't work.

really is funny how delusional people are


That would be like SoE saying when their big sub drop happened during the DoN expansion 'well, I guess the dragon thing didnt work'


The Panda thing is a talking point for people who are bitter about WoW's success.  Its not like asian pandas dont fit in a world with jamaican trolls, native american indians and jewish new yorker goblins.


The lack of talent trees is the only thing related to MoP that would cause a sub drop.  Most of it is due to game's age.


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5/09/13 9:14:49 AM#136
Originally posted by netosampaio
its totally normal, the game is almost 10 years old, but its still rocking because of the lack of end game content of other games.


But the defensiveness is pretty amazing. We've seen ... how many games go pass the peak and begin the drop-off?

Why does this one even rate a comment?


Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.



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5/09/13 9:28:25 AM#137
Originally posted by Mothanos

Thing with WoW is, they will never let us know how big the EU/USA market is, or how big their 5 cent per hour asia market is.

Blizzard used to give breakdowns each year -- but stopped doing that in 2008


all we know is the figure Blizzard gave 5 years ago,  Asia is 55% of their sub base


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5/09/13 9:29:25 AM#138

Originally posted by Icewhite
Guess the whole panda thing didn't work.

I don't think you are right. Mists of Pandaria and the pandaren are just as serious as the tauren, the goblins or the draenei were. Their story is equal with the other races' story. Of course you won't see that if you don't read the text of the quests, or don't watch to the cutscenes.

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by sanicek
I'm curious that no one mentioned (at least I didn't notice) the free D3 deal with 1 year WOW sub. I'm pretty sure a lot of people that took it and were on the verge of quitting or decided to quit some time during the year they needed to keep subbed ended their subs once it was through. Timing wise it would fall into that quarter.

Annual Pass w D3 was first offered October 2011

for many who took advantage of it - annual pass expired the previous quarter

You could buy an Annual Pass until 30 April 2012 - so there were active subs with Annual Pass for only one month in that 8.3 million. The last ones expired 10 days ago.

Signatures are boring things.



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5/09/13 9:35:44 AM#139
Originally posted by mizrolist

You could buy an Annual Pass until 30 April 2012 - so there were active subs with Annual Pass for only one month in that 8.3 million. The last ones expired 10 days ago.

I agree and that still makes a difference

but i think the majority of annual pass subs signed up within the first 2 months of the offer  (Oct and Nov)


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5/09/13 9:41:58 AM#140
Originally posted by Shadowguy64
Originally posted by Volgore

Blizzard fabricated their 10+ mio around obscure chinese internetcafe tickets. While this math made the million "subs"-PR possible, it is also not possible to lose any of these accounts.

Hence i assume the loss of 1 million is related to the US and EU, which would show how much of a success the eastern panda addon was on the western market. Can't say we didn't saw that coming....


Did they also fabricate the $334 million (1) in subscription revenue for the past 3 months?



(1) Subscription, licensing and other revenues represents revenues from World of Warcraft subscriptions, Call of Duty
Elite memberships, licensing royalties from our products and franchises, value-added services, downloadable
content, and other miscellaneous revenues.

Ironically if you take "fabricated" literally... Yes they did, with no mall intent, just accounting woes for taxes.

Earnings where down 228M. They didn't actually earn 334M in these 3 months.

Welcome to deferred revenues.

Eanings dropped down 18% QoQ.

Earnings in 2nd quarter after MoP are 22% lower than the 2nd quarter after Cata.

They also are not any more only WoWs earnings for a while now.

Welcome to the world of context.


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