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  DaRoamer

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OP  5/07/13 6:30:32 PM#41
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by DaRoamer
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by MyBoot

Most MMO's would kill for 500K subs

Look at EVE it's been around for years and never had that many subs and it's considered a success.

Most MMO's don't have expensive IP's to license, or development budgets in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.  

Regardless it still makes it the 2nd largest Sub based MMO I believe. 

^ This :)

Wrong.

Lineage 1 and 2 as well as RIFT and AION are much much much bigger than SWTOR in terms of accounts and subs. I even think TERA has more lol. Hell UO has 500k right now. 

Making up numbers is fun!

You guys missed it. All these games together have 500k  :) Making numbers is fun!!!

harharhar L1 and 2, AION and TERA are all still huge in Korea. Not to mention they still are running over here in the western market (Except L1). RIFT had just under a million subs last I checked what a year ago? And they just launched storm legion which did pretty well itself . As for UO a study came out in 2012 stating that there were a total of 495k players that had logged in in the last 30 days (November I believe it was taken) that were unguilded players. That is the last concurent data on the game so it is all we have to go by. 

UO has a free trial, people logging in means absolutely nothing in terms of sub numbers.  I'd still like to see a link to that  study.

  observer

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5/07/13 6:31:11 PM#42
It's really difficult to discern rankings within different subscription models, since every mmo company defines them differently.  Some are monthly or yearly, or have different criteria.  Take WoW for example, they count subscription numbers in China, but in China, i've read that subs were counted even though it wasn't a monthly payment model.
  Skuall

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5/07/13 6:36:23 PM#43
who cares how many ppl are sub/playing.....the game isnt fun imo , so meh...
  remyburke

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5/07/13 6:40:35 PM#44
Those are pretty solid numbers for what it is. In 10 years they'll make their money back.

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  Latronus

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5/07/13 6:48:44 PM#45
Originally posted by superniceguy

Subs were under 1 million in August. Under 500K subs is not good when they need 500K subs to break even.

Also it depends on when they took those figures. Even I subbed for Makeb, when I have been unsubbed since F2P went live, and was probably included in that figure for subs, but now I am unsubbed. They probably got quite a few more subs for Makeb since it got you the expansion for $10.

1.7 million new accounts is not great when WOW has had way more than 10 million new accounts for a subbed based games, and still has about 9 million subbers.

Clone Wars Adventures managed to get 8 million users within the first year, reckon SWTOR will beat that by Nov?

If I remember correctly, the 500K subs were PRE F2P numbers.  If they are making money from the cash shops then I'm sure that number is lower now.  And please stop with the WoW numbers.  We all know the figure and we all should know that a huge chunk of their numbers are from China and they don't subscribe pre se.  Besides, as much account hacking goes on with that POS do you really want that kind of attention from hackers there would be if it had millions of subscribers?

  Nikopol

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5/07/13 6:54:19 PM#46
Originally posted by remyburke
Those are pretty solid numbers for what it is. In 10 years they'll make their money back.

I have this feeling they have already made their money back and pulling in profits now.

  C.L.O.U.D

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5/07/13 6:58:37 PM#47
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by C.L.O.U.D
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by MyBoot

Most MMO's would kill for 500K subs

Look at EVE it's been around for years and never had that many subs and it's considered a success.

Most MMO's don't have expensive IP's to license, or development budgets in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.  

Regardless it still makes it the 2nd largest Sub based MMO I believe. 

^ This :)

Wrong.

Lineage 1 and 2 as well as RIFT and AION are much much much bigger than SWTOR in terms of accounts and subs. I even think TERA has more lol. Hell UO has 500k right now. 

Umm...If this is true, please back it up with proof. Until you can show where you get your information from, don't say "Wrong" and spit some made up numbers there.

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No clue ...-_- I don't think he understands how many people that is for an mmo.

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5/07/13 7:00:13 PM#48

Have to admit, those are pretty encouraging stats for a healthy MMO so, congrats to EA/BioWare.

 


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  C.L.O.U.D

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5/07/13 7:02:32 PM#49
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by DaRoamer
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by MyBoot

Most MMO's would kill for 500K subs

Look at EVE it's been around for years and never had that many subs and it's considered a success.

Most MMO's don't have expensive IP's to license, or development budgets in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.  

Regardless it still makes it the 2nd largest Sub based MMO I believe. 

^ This :)

Wrong.

Lineage 1 and 2 as well as RIFT and AION are much much much bigger than SWTOR in terms of accounts and subs. I even think TERA has more lol. Hell UO has 500k right now. 

Making up numbers is fun!

You guys missed it. All these games together have 500k  :) Making numbers is fun!!!

harharhar L1 and 2, AION and TERA are all still huge in Korea. Not to mention they still are running over here in the western market (Except L1). RIFT had just under a million subs last I checked what a year ago? And they just launched storm legion which did pretty well itself . As for UO a study came out in 2012 stating that there were a total of 495k players that had logged in in the last 30 days (November I believe it was taken) that were unguilded players. That is the last concurent data on the game so it is all we have to go by. 

Still waiting for those sources...

  sado2020

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5/07/13 7:07:10 PM#50

Played SWToR for about six months with my wife and a few buddies.  Game was pretty fun even though it wasn't my thing. 

 

With that Im glad the game is where the devs want it to be to where they can and will push out more content :)

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  slickbizzle

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5/07/13 7:30:05 PM#51

I started playing this game again.  Not sure why I stopped.  Started a new trooper, taking my time watching the quest cinematics, and having a blast.  I had forgotten how much work they put in to make me feel like I'm actually part of a story instead of just reading quests (or blind accepting quests).

 

 

  Wizardry

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5/07/13 7:35:37 PM#52
Originally posted by DaRoamer
Just announced on the EA 4th quarter conference call.  Subs currently sitting at just under half a million subs, 1.7 million new free to play players since Nov and doubled revenues.  Sub number still growing.

Well i can tell you that those numbers are slanted big time.How can they say 1.7 f2p since November?You can only goto level 20 and you can do that in anywhere from 2-5 days.So ALL thosee f2p subs from November are either done playing or don't care to play anymore.

That part should have been obvious,they were definitely trying to inflate  numbers here.So if they are willing to mislead the F2p,why would i think any different on the subs?They are probably counting every single sub they have had since November.

Approx 20 servers ,around 35k per server is around 700k total.I notice only the 9 US servers are busy but might be the time of day.

I would say still not bad,but not the numbers they are claiming.

Here is some REAL numbers.EA stock has fallen almost 40% since that November,this also lead to the recent STEP down or imo told to relieve himself of his duties CEO.If things are going well or holding steadfast,they don't drop that badly and people don't step down or get fired.

Almost all of the blame was on this game,so it is not doing as well as claim.

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  DaRoamer

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OP  5/07/13 7:42:47 PM#53
Originally posted by Wizardry
Originally posted by DaRoamer
Just announced on the EA 4th quarter conference call.  Subs currently sitting at just under half a million subs, 1.7 million new free to play players since Nov and doubled revenues.  Sub number still growing.

Well i can tell you that those numbers are slanted big time.

Ok, thanks for letting us know. 

  Wizardry

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5/07/13 7:51:16 PM#54

I did more number crunching. :D

They sold over 2 million,i will guess 2.5 mil copies.What is the going rate 50?I am sure many bought cheaper copies on sale from Steam or other,so lower that to maybe 40?

I figure they made around 100million in sales for sure,but of that how much do they actually keep?Maybe 20 bucks per ?

So possibly 500k in profits.Apparently the game cost 200 million to make.IMO way over budget for what the game did but EA is famous for throwing tons of employeesat a project to meet it's deadine,so tons of wasted over time.

If you belive the 500k subs that is around 7-8 per month.So at 8 that is 96 million.It would take them at that rate another  2 years to break even,not bad imo.You have to figure in some added cost over all this time.It took FFXI 5 years to break eventhey never seemed worried,it is now going on 10+ years.

I think possibly greed gets the better of them,they wanted instant profits to show the stock holders,buyers.EA should have known from the day they took it on,this was not an Ip you can rush and do in a lazy cheap fashion,this is the biggest IP on the planet,you need a full out effort here.

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  doodphace

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5/07/13 8:00:22 PM#55
Originally posted by DaRoamer
Originally posted by Wizardry
Originally posted by DaRoamer
Just announced on the EA 4th quarter conference call.  Subs currently sitting at just under half a million subs, 1.7 million new free to play players since Nov and doubled revenues.  Sub number still growing.

Well i can tell you that those numbers are slanted big time.

Ok, thanks for letting us know. 

I didnt even look at F2P numbers, they dont mean shit.

500k subs on the other hand, is respectable.

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5/07/13 8:01:49 PM#56

One thing is sure. Investors liked what they've heard. EA stocks jumped almost 8% after closing today... so far.

 


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5/07/13 8:02:49 PM#57
Originally posted by DeaconX

Have to admit, those are pretty encouraging stats for a healthy MMO so, congrats to EA/BioWare.

 

 for a standard mmo 500k is good

so either , the name has lost its power, or the game is sub standard

EVE has no name to back it up, and its over 8 years old, and theyre at the same level

the "just below..." sentence sounds familiar too

but at least we have a number now,,200k above my guess

that would put them roughly at the point, when they went F2P

if this is success, id hate to see a failure

 

 

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5/07/13 8:07:22 PM#58


Originally posted by DaRoamer
Just announced on the EA 4th quarter conference call.  Subs currently sitting at just under half a million subs, 1.7 million new free to play players since Nov and doubled revenues.  Sub number still growing.


That's a lot better than I expected, since 500k people was what they had when they first went F2P. Not bad. I don't think it's anywhere close to what they wanted, but it puts the game in the realm of survival or even profitable.

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5/07/13 8:10:34 PM#59
Originally posted by C.L.O.U.D
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by C.L.O.U.D
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by MyBoot

Most MMO's would kill for 500K subs

Look at EVE it's been around for years and never had that many subs and it's considered a success.

Most MMO's don't have expensive IP's to license, or development budgets in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.  

Regardless it still makes it the 2nd largest Sub based MMO I believe. 

^ This :)

Wrong.

Lineage 1 and 2 as well as RIFT and AION are much much much bigger than SWTOR in terms of accounts and subs. I even think TERA has more lol. Hell UO has 500k right now. 

Umm...If this is true, please back it up with proof. Until you can show where you get your information from, don't say "Wrong" and spit some made up numbers there.

[mod edit]

No clue ...-_- I don't think he understands how many people that is for an mmo.

I cant talk about Tera currently or rift, but Aion is the WoW in asia with millions of subs and in the financialreport from NCsoft Lineage 1 was earning  in Q3 of 2012(the same quarter GW2 released with 2 million boxes) the same amount as GW2

Lineage 2 is not far behind either. So yeah Swtor in terms of sub games is what...5th or 6th?

All this information is public by the way, just go to ncsoft page (owner of most of the games he listed)

  skaaz1

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5/07/13 8:16:44 PM#60

It is my opinion.

 

There won't be another game reach WoW's numbers. Even Blizzard will not make a MMO that will surpass WoW. 

 

I played SWTOR at release, things with RL happened did not have enough time to justify the sub. Times passed and had a chance to check back in. Thanks to Free to Play I got a pretty decent trial period. Myself and one of my kids are now subbed to the game. I find the game entertaining enough to call it a success.

 

 

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