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  Channce

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OP  5/07/13 12:55:41 AM#1

No invisibility at all!

However, if you absolutely insist on this old mechanic, then make it only for scouting, no useful skill at all while invisible.

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  Mkilbride

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5/07/13 1:52:07 AM#2

Well you're in luck.

 

Cause there won't be any invisibility.

 

  • Veil Walker
  • Veil Stalker

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  UOlover

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5/07/13 3:08:14 AM#3

what about magical invisibility? A mmorpg without magical invisibility? Every mmorpg has had magical invisibility.

  Mkilbride

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5/07/13 3:35:02 AM#4
There shall be no invisibility, at least, usable in combat. That is what we've been promised.

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  meddyck

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5/07/13 6:46:35 AM#5
Originally posted by Mkilbride

Well you're in luck.

 Cause there won't be any invisibility.

  • Veil Walker
  • Veil Stalker

Doesn't the Veilwalker effectively have invisibility from every class except the Veilstalker?

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  Dieedi

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5/07/13 7:14:35 AM#6

hunter will have camouflage.

 

[quote]Doesn't the Veilwalker effectively have invisibility from every class except the Veilstalker?[/quote]

Not sure it's definitive yet

  time007

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5/07/13 9:56:14 AM#7

THERE IS NO INVISIBILITY IN DAOC!!!!  You can be seen by other stealthers, vamps, or anyone who gets up close to you, or if you don't move.  Its called stealth.  Look up the definition of invisbility.  Invisibility means you cannot be seen.  Period.  And hilarious, how you say, no invisibility, which I'm going to assume you meant stealth.  You provide no reasons for this other than, someone else has something I can't have with my other class.  Well guess what, I can't go blowing crap up and flame on and gandalf everyone to hell can i?  You wanna run around like a f'ing gandalf with a rocket launcher but no one else can have anything else that provides them a unique class advantage.    Next time put more thought and/or research  into your thread, you won't get pwned as hardcore.  Probably do the same in RVR, just run out there without thinking and wonder why you get blown up and want to take away other classes core mechanics.  That or you just came here to start up a long thread about stealth and didnt know how to do it.  Well we can close this thread now, it has zero substance.

in·vis·i·ble

/?n?v?z?b?l/ Show Spelled [in-viz-uh-buhl] Show IPA

 

adjective
1.
not visible; not perceptible by the eye: invisible fluid.

 

2.

withdrawn from or out of sight; hidden: an invisible seam.

 

3.

not perceptible or discernible by the mind: invisible differences.

 

 

  Niix_Ozek

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Joined: 2/26/13
Posts: 404

5/07/13 10:08:34 AM#8
Originally posted by time007

THERE IS NO INVISIBILITY IN DAOC!!!!  You can be seen by other stealthers, vamps, or anyone who gets up close to you, or if you don't move.  Its called stealth.  Look up the definition of invisbility.  Invisibility means you cannot be seen.  Period.  And hilarious, how you say, no invisibility, which I'm going to assume you meant stealth.  You provide no reasons for this other than, someone else has something I can't have with my other class.  Well guess what, I can't go blowing crap up and flame on and gandalf everyone to hell can i?  You wanna run around like a f'ing gandalf with a rocket launcher but no one else can have anything else that provides them a unique class advantage.    Next time put more thought and/or research  into your thread, you won't get pwned as hardcore.  Probably do the same in RVR, just run out there without thinking and wonder why you get blown up and want to take away other classes core mechanics.  That or you just came here to start up a long thread about stealth and didnt know how to do it.  Well we can close this thread now, it has zero substance.

in·vis·i·ble

/?n?v?z?b?l/ Show Spelled [in-viz-uh-buhl] Show IPA

 

adjective
1.
not visible; not perceptible by the eye: invisible fluid.

 

2.

withdrawn from or out of sight; hidden: an invisible seam.

 

3.

not perceptible or discernible by the mind: invisible differences.

 

 

lol +1

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  Axxar

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5/07/13 10:47:31 AM#9

Veil Walkers will be able to move around unseen by shifting into the Veil. They can even move through stuff like walls to bypass defense. So they'll be invisible to most players until they exit the Veil again.

But that's still very much subject to change.

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  Tumblebutz

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Joined: 2/20/13
Posts: 338

5/07/13 10:53:00 AM#10

Finally!  A thread about stealth!  At least the OP is objective and willing to find a compromise.

Seriously, let's wait and see what MJ has in mind for stealth options in a little more detail, before we twist ourselves into too many knots over it.  The Veil Walker and Veil Stalker seem like they're at the concept phase only.  When we know more details, this discussion will be much more productive.

Additionally, MJ only very briefly mentioned a "camouflage" type ability for Scouts/Archers.  Again, let's see where CSE goes with it.

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  Danwarr

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5/07/13 11:23:30 AM#11
Originally posted by meddyck
Originally posted by Mkilbride

Well you're in luck.

 Cause there won't be any invisibility.

  • Veil Walker
  • Veil Stalker

Doesn't the Veilwalker effectively have invisibility from every class except the Veilstalker?

The way I understand it, Veilwalkers will be able to see each other inside the Veil as well.

And MJ said that the archer/ranger class will have camouflage type stealth.

 

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  Niix_Ozek

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5/07/13 12:26:50 PM#12

I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

 

Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

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  Danwarr

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5/07/13 4:04:21 PM#13
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

 

Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

3 forms of stealth classes?

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  Niix_Ozek

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5/07/13 4:57:39 PM#14
Originally posted by Danwarr
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

 

Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

3 forms of stealth classes?

veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

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  Taldier

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5/07/13 6:46:54 PM#15
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
Originally posted by Danwarr
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

 

Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

3 forms of stealth classes?

veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

One of the only people I ever see "whining" or "complaining" is you.  "Oh no, not something marginally different than what I'm used to!?!?! Noooooooooo!!!!!".

 

So you can stop claiming that everyone who disagrees with you on anything is "whining".

  Niix_Ozek

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Posts: 404

5/07/13 7:08:14 PM#16
Originally posted by Taldier
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
Originally posted by Danwarr
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

 

Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

3 forms of stealth classes?

veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

One of the only people I ever see "whining" or "complaining" is you.  "Oh no, not something marginally different than what I'm used to!?!?! Noooooooooo!!!!!".

 

So you can stop claiming that everyone who disagrees with you on anything is "whining".

You mad bro?

I'm not whining, i'm merely pointing out the fact that the only reason they are over complicating "stealth" is to quiet down the people that constantly complain about getting rock paper scissored... in a . wait for it... ROCK PAPER SCISSORS GAME

thought niche meant something to people? guess not.

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  Taldier

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5/07/13 7:33:53 PM#17
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
Originally posted by Taldier
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
Originally posted by Danwarr
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

 

Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

3 forms of stealth classes?

veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

One of the only people I ever see "whining" or "complaining" is you.  "Oh no, not something marginally different than what I'm used to!?!?! Noooooooooo!!!!!".

 

So you can stop claiming that everyone who disagrees with you on anything is "whining".

You mad bro?

I'm not whining, i'm merely pointing out the fact that the only reason they are over complicating "stealth" is to quiet down the people that constantly complain about getting rock paper scissored... in a . wait for it... ROCK PAPER SCISSORS GAME

thought niche meant something to people? guess not.

The rock paper scissors argument?  Really?  You think you win on that one?

 

In rock paper scissors, the scissors cant just always avoid rock while waiting to find some paper.

 

In games with old fasioned stealth mechanics, the stealthers hunt each other in between killing their targets.  Thats just the way it is.  The primary predator of "scissors" in this metaphor is virtually always other pairs of scissors, not rock.

 

In case you arent familiar with the game, thats not how rock paper scissors works.

 

I've yet to hear a fighter be told to go hunt down an enemy scout by himself in a game where scouts are invisible.

 

Theres a difference between actually dieing to someone vs just saying "oh I cant kill that person" and then not going near them.

 

Why do you think stealthers end up being nerfed into oblivion in every game?  Because just being able to pick your targets is basically the most powerful utility conceivable in PvP.

 

Do I really want to see my stealthy character beaten down again just because they didnt bother to put any proper counters for him in the game?  Not really.

  Danwarr

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5/07/13 11:38:23 PM#18
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
Originally posted by Danwarr
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

 

Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

3 forms of stealth classes?

veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

Veil Stalkers are not "stealth" classes. They spot the Veil walkers which are the only true "stealth" class. MJ has said that the camo for archers/rangers will root them in place and it will be tied to being in cover/foliage/etc.

So there is only one "stealth" class, and even then it's not 100% invisible.

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  Niix_Ozek

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5/08/13 11:02:13 AM#19
Originally posted by Taldier
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
Originally posted by Taldier
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
Originally posted by Danwarr
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

 

Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

3 forms of stealth classes?

veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

One of the only people I ever see "whining" or "complaining" is you.  "Oh no, not something marginally different than what I'm used to!?!?! Noooooooooo!!!!!".

 

So you can stop claiming that everyone who disagrees with you on anything is "whining".

You mad bro?

I'm not whining, i'm merely pointing out the fact that the only reason they are over complicating "stealth" is to quiet down the people that constantly complain about getting rock paper scissored... in a . wait for it... ROCK PAPER SCISSORS GAME

thought niche meant something to people? guess not.

The rock paper scissors argument?  Really?  You think you win on that one?

 

In rock paper scissors, the scissors cant just always avoid rock while waiting to find some paper.

 

In games with old fasioned stealth mechanics, the stealthers hunt each other in between killing their targets.  Thats just the way it is.  The primary predator of "scissors" in this metaphor is virtually always other pairs of scissors, not rock.

 

In case you arent familiar with the game, thats not how rock paper scissors works.

 

I've yet to hear a fighter be told to go hunt down an enemy scout by himself in a game where scouts are invisible.

 

Theres a difference between actually dieing to someone vs just saying "oh I cant kill that person" and then not going near them.

 

Why do you think stealthers end up being nerfed into oblivion in every game?  Because just being able to pick your targets is basically the most powerful utility conceivable in PvP.

 

Do I really want to see my stealthy character beaten down again just because they didnt bother to put any proper counters for him in the game?  Not really.

Sounds to me like you've never played a stealther ... ever. Being able to pick your targets and have that playstyle ability is the reason people play stealthers and why they're fun. You don't get to stand on the keep wall shooting fireballs for 1 hour straight, you have to sneak around pick your target and get a kill, in general this took much longer then it would take a mage type to kill 10 people in a zerg warfare scenario... this is called patience and it should be rewarded.

Stealthers get nerfed into oblivion because games build systems where they are allowed to escape easy after failed encounters and still live and people constantly bitch and complain about dieing to something they can't see .. because "ITS NOT FAIR" or whatever... well if you hop upon a stealther fighting something else and two shot him with firebolts hows that fair lol?

This argument and complaints are sooooooooooo bloody subjective to the situation it's so stupid.

I havn't played a game where there wasn't counters for stealthers, their called tanks and other skills / abilities that make it easier to spot them. Don't talk to me about your dumb excuses why stealthers arn't a part of RPS...

 

Ozek - DAOC
Niix - Other games that sucked

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5/08/13 11:03:05 AM#20
Originally posted by Danwarr
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
Originally posted by Danwarr
Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

 

Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

3 forms of stealth classes?

veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

Veil Stalkers are not "stealth" classes. They spot the Veil walkers which are the only true "stealth" class. MJ has said that the camo for archers/rangers will root them in place and it will be tied to being in cover/foliage/etc.

So there is only one "stealth" class, and even then it's not 100% invisible.

I know that rofl.... my point is there are 3 classes designed around the one ability. It's excessive complication to an easier simple solution.

Ozek - DAOC
Niix - Other games that sucked

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