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  JonnyBigBoss

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OP  5/04/13 10:05:54 PM#1

Since one year after WoW came out I've been looking for a game to give me an excuse to never go back. Heck, they added Pandaren, something which has completely ruined the atmosphere for myself and many others.

Unfortunately, dozens of MMOs have released and all of them have been underwhelming. I invested so much of my time into waiting for Warhammer Online and it only lasted me two weeks. I waited patiently for Final Fantasy XIV and that was the worst MMO I've ever played. I even gave SWTOR a shot but that was a game with way too much development time put into the voice acting and cutscenes. Guild Wars 2 was similarly fun for a week or two but once I hit level 60 the game's awful dungeon design and lackluster endgame destroyed any thought of me considering it a long-term alternative.

Here I am playing Neverwinter and I actually find it fun. But it isn't polished, AT ALL. The presentation reminds me of MMOs I played back in 2009, and the cash shop is designed in such a way that I feel punished.

I know WoW isn't popular on this site, but truthfully it's by far and away the most polished MMO in history. The combat is still the best in the genre, the world is immersive, and the presentation is clean albeit aging. It's so disheartening because I love the MMO genre, but every game I play makes me just want to go back to WoW. I don't want to go back. I've spent thousands of hours there. Someone, please, any developer, please save us!

  Raventree

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5/04/13 10:26:30 PM#2
Have you tried Rift?  I played WoW for 5 years, but after I switched to Rift I never wanted to go back.  It is similar enough that it doesn't feel weird to make the switch and the graphics are way better.

Currently playing:
Rift
Played:
SWToR, Aion,EQ, Dark Age of Camelot
World of Warcraft, AoC

  JonnyBigBoss

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OP  5/04/13 10:47:25 PM#3
Yeah. I'd say Rift is the best MMO since WoW. Unfortunately, it reminds me too much of it and while several people I know play WoW, none play Rift. You can't even find people streaming it on Twitch because it is so unpopular.
  libraofdoom

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5/04/13 10:51:00 PM#4
Eve Online
  Tyvolus4

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5/04/13 10:52:03 PM#5
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss

Since one year after WoW came out I've been looking for a game to give me an excuse to never go back. Heck, they added Pandaren, something which has completely ruined the atmosphere for myself and many others.

Unfortunately, dozens of MMOs have released and all of them have been underwhelming. I invested so much of my time into waiting for Warhammer Online and it only lasted me two weeks. I waited patiently for Final Fantasy XIV and that was the worst MMO I've ever played. I even gave SWTOR a shot but that was a game with way too much development time put into the voice acting and cutscenes. Guild Wars 2 was similarly fun for a week or two but once I hit level 60 the game's awful dungeon design and lackluster endgame destroyed any thought of me considering it a long-term alternative.

Here I am playing Neverwinter and I actually find it fun. But it isn't polished, AT ALL. The presentation reminds me of MMOs I played back in 2009, and the cash shop is designed in such a way that I feel punished.

I know WoW isn't popular on this site, but truthfully it's by far and away the most polished MMO in history. The combat is still the best in the genre, the world is immersive, and the presentation is clean albeit aging. It's so disheartening because I love the MMO genre, but every game I play makes me just want to go back to WoW. I don't want to go back. I've spent thousands of hours there. Someone, please, any developer, please save us!

 not trying to be funny, but was wow your first MMO ?  I only ask because I started playing MMOs in 1999 with EQ and play on and off to this day.  Having said that, I have played quite a few MMOs since then and the only one worse than wow was warhammer. 

  ThomasN7

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5/04/13 10:53:21 PM#6
Eve is probably the second best mmo out there. This just shows how bad other developers are at making good mmos. Quality is definitely suffering right now.
  Raventree

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5/04/13 10:54:36 PM#7
You wouldn't know it by running around the game world.  We got a bunch of new people after the Storm Legion expansion came out and the servers feel populated.  You are probably just used to Wow sized overcrowding, which makes everything else feel abandoned.

Currently playing:
Rift
Played:
SWToR, Aion,EQ, Dark Age of Camelot
World of Warcraft, AoC

  AeonZen

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5/04/13 10:54:38 PM#8

It's amazing wow isn't "popular on this site" as you say. 

Whatever, I only played WoW about 6 months total and I'll say it.

I love WoW!  Sure I don't play it today and I never reached level cap.

Back in 2010 summer I played whilst listening to Blind Guardian and Ayreon.  Amazing experience. Thankful for the game and adventure.

  JonnyBigBoss

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OP  5/04/13 10:59:41 PM#9
Originally posted by libraofdoom
Eve Online

I'm subscribed right now. I literally just float in space then logout. It's way too slow to enjoy.

  simsalabim77

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5/04/13 11:01:09 PM#10
Originally posted by Sanctuaryy

It's amazing wow isn't "popular on this site" as you say. 

Whatever, I only played WoW about 6 months total and I'll say it.

I love WoW!  Sure I don't play it today and I never reached level cap.

Back in 2010 summer I played whilst listening to Blind Guardian and Ayreon.  Amazing experience. Thankful for the game and adventure.

 

This website is basically where the MMORPG hipsters and cynical veterans hang out. 

  JonnyBigBoss

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OP  5/04/13 11:01:15 PM#11
Originally posted by Tyvolus4
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss

Since one year after WoW came out I've been looking for a game to give me an excuse to never go back. Heck, they added Pandaren, something which has completely ruined the atmosphere for myself and many others.

Unfortunately, dozens of MMOs have released and all of them have been underwhelming. I invested so much of my time into waiting for Warhammer Online and it only lasted me two weeks. I waited patiently for Final Fantasy XIV and that was the worst MMO I've ever played. I even gave SWTOR a shot but that was a game with way too much development time put into the voice acting and cutscenes. Guild Wars 2 was similarly fun for a week or two but once I hit level 60 the game's awful dungeon design and lackluster endgame destroyed any thought of me considering it a long-term alternative.

Here I am playing Neverwinter and I actually find it fun. But it isn't polished, AT ALL. The presentation reminds me of MMOs I played back in 2009, and the cash shop is designed in such a way that I feel punished.

I know WoW isn't popular on this site, but truthfully it's by far and away the most polished MMO in history. The combat is still the best in the genre, the world is immersive, and the presentation is clean albeit aging. It's so disheartening because I love the MMO genre, but every game I play makes me just want to go back to WoW. I don't want to go back. I've spent thousands of hours there. Someone, please, any developer, please save us!

 not trying to be funny, but was wow your first MMO ?  I only ask because I started playing MMOs in 1999 with EQ and play on and off to this day.  Having said that, I have played quite a few MMOs since then and the only one worse than wow was warhammer. 

My first "MMO" was Priston Tale. Then I played Final Fantasy XI and Lineage II.

  Latronus

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5/04/13 11:01:39 PM#12
Originally posted by Tyvolus4
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss

Since one year after WoW came out I've been looking for a game to give me an excuse to never go back. Heck, they added Pandaren, something which has completely ruined the atmosphere for myself and many others.

Unfortunately, dozens of MMOs have released and all of them have been underwhelming. I invested so much of my time into waiting for Warhammer Online and it only lasted me two weeks. I waited patiently for Final Fantasy XIV and that was the worst MMO I've ever played. I even gave SWTOR a shot but that was a game with way too much development time put into the voice acting and cutscenes. Guild Wars 2 was similarly fun for a week or two but once I hit level 60 the game's awful dungeon design and lackluster endgame destroyed any thought of me considering it a long-term alternative.

Here I am playing Neverwinter and I actually find it fun. But it isn't polished, AT ALL. The presentation reminds me of MMOs I played back in 2009, and the cash shop is designed in such a way that I feel punished.

I know WoW isn't popular on this site, but truthfully it's by far and away the most polished MMO in history. The combat is still the best in the genre, the world is immersive, and the presentation is clean albeit aging. It's so disheartening because I love the MMO genre, but every game I play makes me just want to go back to WoW. I don't want to go back. I've spent thousands of hours there. Someone, please, any developer, please save us!

 not trying to be funny, but was wow your first MMO ?  I only ask because I started playing MMOs in 1999 with EQ and play on and off to this day.  Having said that, I have played quite a few MMOs since then and the only one worse than wow was warhammer. 

I tend to agree.  Everyone always has a special place for their first MMO.  I started with EQ as well and also think WoW is one of the worst games ever developed, but we are in a minority it seems.  Oh well, to each their own I guess.

  GodEmperorWAAAGH

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5/04/13 11:21:51 PM#13
Originally posted by Raventree
Have you tried Rift?  I played WoW for 5 years, but after I switched to Rift I never wanted to go back.  It is similar enough that it doesn't feel weird to make the switch and the graphics are way better.

Don't know how you can stand Rift, it's so generic, unstylized, and souless, and the animations are disgustingly bad.  Everything Rift has copied from other MMO's is made worse by the untalented group at Trion, and they don't even release proper updates, just lame stuff they threw together fast to get people talking.

 

Trion is good at marketing and making people think what they want them to think, but that's all.

 

Rift, the game everyone says is amazing, but no one actually plays.


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  David_Lopan

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5/04/13 11:28:24 PM#14
Originally posted by simsalabim77
Originally posted by Sanctuaryy

It's amazing wow isn't "popular on this site" as you say. 

Whatever, I only played WoW about 6 months total and I'll say it.

I love WoW!  Sure I don't play it today and I never reached level cap.

Back in 2010 summer I played whilst listening to Blind Guardian and Ayreon.  Amazing experience. Thankful for the game and adventure.

 

This website is basically where the MMORPG hipsters and cynical veterans hang out. 

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  GodEmperorWAAAGH

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5/04/13 11:30:43 PM#15
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss

Since one year after WoW came out I've been looking for a game to give me an excuse to never go back. Heck, they added Pandaren, something which has completely ruined the atmosphere for myself and many others.

Unfortunately, dozens of MMOs have released and all of them have been underwhelming. I invested so much of my time into waiting for Warhammer Online and it only lasted me two weeks. I waited patiently for Final Fantasy XIV and that was the worst MMO I've ever played. I even gave SWTOR a shot but that was a game with way too much development time put into the voice acting and cutscenes. Guild Wars 2 was similarly fun for a week or two but once I hit level 60 the game's awful dungeon design and lackluster endgame destroyed any thought of me considering it a long-term alternative.

Here I am playing Neverwinter and I actually find it fun. But it isn't polished, AT ALL. The presentation reminds me of MMOs I played back in 2009, and the cash shop is designed in such a way that I feel punished.

I know WoW isn't popular on this site, but truthfully it's by far and away the most polished MMO in history. The combat is still the best in the genre, the world is immersive, and the presentation is clean albeit aging. It's so disheartening because I love the MMO genre, but every game I play makes me just want to go back to WoW. I don't want to go back. I've spent thousands of hours there. Someone, please, any developer, please save us!

The sandbox is the answer to the WoW problem, once someone makes a AAA one with a good story and setting it will absorb all the WPVPers WoW has screwed over, and all the PVEers that are tired of the same raiding gear grind they've been doing for years and suck a big chunk of subs from WoW. Until then we will keep getting WoW clones from clueless devs.


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  Ghavrigg

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5/04/13 11:33:21 PM#16

I have to agree with the OP. All games released since WoW have been inferior quality in almost every way. WoW is great in almost every aspect of its design, where games released since have struggled to have even one amazing feature worth continuing the game for. Just my opinion, however.

 

  Raventree

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5/04/13 11:34:37 PM#17
Originally posted by GodEmperorWAAAGH
Originally posted by Raventree
Have you tried Rift?  I played WoW for 5 years, but after I switched to Rift I never wanted to go back.  It is similar enough that it doesn't feel weird to make the switch and the graphics are way better.

Don't know how you can stand Rift, it's so generic, unstylized, and souless, and the animations are disgustingly bad.  Everything Rift has copied from other MMO's is made worse by the untalented group at Trion, and they don't even release proper updates, just lame stuff they threw together fast to get people talking.

 

Trion is good at marketing and making people think what they want them to think, but that's all.

 

Rift, the game everyone says is amazing, but no one actually plays.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.  Trion pumps out content like mad and the events are a lot of fun.  They are absolutely one of the best devs out there if not THE best in my opinion because of the speed of their updates and the fact that they are listening to what the players want.

As for the game world, my first impression when I started was similar to what you are saying.  It seemed beautiful but kind of generic and I sort of shrugged and kept wandering.  After I tried a whole bunch of other MMOs and came back I realized how well done everything was.  I really don't think it gets half of the credit it deserves, mostly due to people getting an underwhelming first impression and then wandering off.  If there is one criticism that I would level against Trion it is that they should take a little more of a risk with the "style" of their games.

Currently playing:
Rift
Played:
SWToR, Aion,EQ, Dark Age of Camelot
World of Warcraft, AoC

  Tyvolus4

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5/04/13 11:34:51 PM#18
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss
Originally posted by Tyvolus4
Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss

Since one year after WoW came out I've been looking for a game to give me an excuse to never go back. Heck, they added Pandaren, something which has completely ruined the atmosphere for myself and many others.

Unfortunately, dozens of MMOs have released and all of them have been underwhelming. I invested so much of my time into waiting for Warhammer Online and it only lasted me two weeks. I waited patiently for Final Fantasy XIV and that was the worst MMO I've ever played. I even gave SWTOR a shot but that was a game with way too much development time put into the voice acting and cutscenes. Guild Wars 2 was similarly fun for a week or two but once I hit level 60 the game's awful dungeon design and lackluster endgame destroyed any thought of me considering it a long-term alternative.

Here I am playing Neverwinter and I actually find it fun. But it isn't polished, AT ALL. The presentation reminds me of MMOs I played back in 2009, and the cash shop is designed in such a way that I feel punished.

I know WoW isn't popular on this site, but truthfully it's by far and away the most polished MMO in history. The combat is still the best in the genre, the world is immersive, and the presentation is clean albeit aging. It's so disheartening because I love the MMO genre, but every game I play makes me just want to go back to WoW. I don't want to go back. I've spent thousands of hours there. Someone, please, any developer, please save us!

 not trying to be funny, but was wow your first MMO ?  I only ask because I started playing MMOs in 1999 with EQ and play on and off to this day.  Having said that, I have played quite a few MMOs since then and the only one worse than wow was warhammer. 

My first "MMO" was Priston Tale. Then I played Final Fantasy XI and Lineage II.

 ya, I started L2 in Open Beta.  I still log on from time to time.  One of my fav MMOs of all time. 

  Tyvolus4

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5/04/13 11:43:22 PM#19
Originally posted by Ghavrigg

I have to agree with the OP. All games released since WoW have been inferior quality in almost every way. WoW is great in almost every aspect of its design, where games released since have struggled to have even one amazing feature worth continuing the game for. Just my opinion, however.

 

 My first experience with Blizz games and warcraft was with Warcraft II in 1996.  Great RTS game and the world was gritty, dark, and  violent.  Alliance Paladins went head to head with Horde Death Knights.  Fast forward to World of Warcraft and it is cartoony, childish, and Paladins now fight for the Horde.  Maybe if I didnt know what warcraft was like originally I might be able to enjoy whatever good parts of Wow that may or may not exist....but then again it now has a whole expansion dedicated to...panda bears.

from a purely $$$ perspective, hats off to Blizz.  And i give them credit, they turned a hardcore fan of theirs like me, into someone who wont buy or play any of their games anymore.  Paladins to the Horde, lol.

 

 

  shadow9d9

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5/05/13 12:43:39 AM#20
Umm, no.  The combat is awful, it is full of zones, you hit max level super quickly, and end game is a few dungeons over and over.  Try Asheron's Call for a real MMO experience.
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