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  ShakyMo

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5/17/13 3:53:27 PM#21
And anyway, when it cones to theory crafting and builds eve is top dog anyway, you think gw Involves lots of theory craft, it ain't nothing on eve where you have to plan your builds weeks in advance.
  Skooma2

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5/17/13 4:14:56 PM#22
OK, my last post on this topic.  There is no better theory-crafting than that offered in TSW.  It's Secretariat in the Belmont and everyone else is battling for 2nd place.

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  General-Zod

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5/17/13 4:42:14 PM#23
Originally posted by Skooma2
Originally posted by General-Zod
Originally posted by Skooma2
Wow!  Hackers in a heavily weighted pvp game?   Heavens forfend!  (Any more questions as to why we carebears do not like pvp, open world or otherwise?)

I thought it was because you guys apply inaccurate stereotypes to PvP games thus creating a mental roadblock which causes carebares to take a disheartened approach to any & all things competitive

The best pvp  game I ever played was GW1.  There were so many types of pvp one didn't know where to start.  Do you know why I like that type of pvp, and not the open world pvp?  It's because in GW1 both sides had equal numbers of players, thus making for strategic pvp rather than open world ganking and naked runs.  I believe it's called arena pvp and it's only the gankers who hate it.  Compete on even ground???  Heavens forfend!

I understand your concern...

However your perspective takes a "victim-of-ganking" standpoint which is quite common among players like you. There is nothing wrong with arena style PvP other than the fact that it requires little skill and doesnt favor anybody that excels at PvP. Success in arena PvP solely relies on how well your team can preform their role due to the fact that everybody is more or less equal due to the class system that is common with arena PvP.

So yes, if you have only been exposed to arena style PvP I could see how one would be scared to death of being outnumbered, they never had to deal...

  BlueTiger33

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5/17/13 4:44:09 PM#24

You know, I hate to play devil's advocate here but those who have no cash seemingly flock to this game. It's a game full of people who spend no cash on it.

 

So don't mind me while I cat-in-the-hat grin in my corner over here. :)


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  Skooma2

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5/17/13 4:52:01 PM#25
Originally posted by General-Zod
Originally posted by Skooma2
Originally posted by General-Zod
Originally posted by Skooma2
Wow!  Hackers in a heavily weighted pvp game?   Heavens forfend!  (Any more questions as to why we carebears do not like pvp, open world or otherwise?)

I thought it was because you guys apply inaccurate stereotypes to PvP games thus creating a mental roadblock which causes carebares to take a disheartened approach to any & all things competitive

The best pvp  game I ever played was GW1.  There were so many types of pvp one didn't know where to start.  Do you know why I like that type of pvp, and not the open world pvp?  It's because in GW1 both sides had equal numbers of players, thus making for strategic pvp rather than open world ganking and naked runs.  I believe it's called arena pvp and it's only the gankers who hate it.  Compete on even ground???  Heavens forfend!

I understand your concern...

However your perspective takes a "victim-of-ganking" standpoint which is quite common among players like you. There is nothing wrong with arena style PvP other than the fact that it requires little skill and doesnt favor anybody that excels at PvP. Success in arena PvP solely relies on how well your team can preform their role due to the fact that everybody is more or less equal due to the class system that is common with arena PvP.

So yes, if you have only been exposed to arena style PvP I could see how one would be scared to death of being outnumbered, they never had to deal...

I am not "scared to death of being outnumbered."  It is just that I believe theory crafting an arena pvp TEAM takes more cerebral horsepower than that of open world pvp.  Thus, it is not a matter of fear; I just find theory crafting with a team is more mentally stimulating to me and I prefer it.   It could be the reason that TSW is installed on my rig; it's a game that requires me to think.

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  chaintm

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OP  5/24/13 11:19:18 PM#26

When it comes down to it, it is the free to play that makes it a redundant cycle of hackers. When there is no actual cost to hacking (IE paying for an actual account etc) the more people will continue to do so. GW2 has hackers and so does every game out there with MP in it for sure, but when there is a cost factor, you see allot less of it if the development team is activily seeking out bans on these type of people.

In this case, they are no argument about it, but the fact remains being free to play just equals making account #12 and keep going if your that type of player. No skin off their backs so to speak. When you have to pay for a server (IE monthly fee) as many of us suggested they should have a paying version for the serious players and non for the free to play, this could "help" the issue. No it wouldn't fix it, but if they kept on top if it, it would definitely be very scarce compared to what it is now in free to play servers.

When we brought this idea up however, the response then and after was the same however "That would break up the community to much we believe" and they would probably be right.  Don't know, I just don't see it here keeping viable, better off with BF3 and the like , at least you can find servers with admins that kick/ban daily with more control. Thou it doesn't stop it, it does help allot :)

Personally with a game like this (if I was on the team) I would go with a massive ban hammer just watching threw peoples eyes all day, but alas I believe it would end up with a good part of the population being banned. My personal experience has been every 15min I am seeing something that just doesn't make sense. Being I have been playing these games sense conception, I am sure about half of them are probably ok while the other half isn't , taking that into consideration still is 30min running into someone doing a hack of some sort if not sooner.

I am no care bare, but I don't find a non-even combat field any fun for the ones that attempt to play it as it is ment to be played. All you have to do is search for griefer videos on utube, there are people that thrive off of grieving others, it's actually sad to watch for I personally don't get how ruining another's gaming experience a muse for entertainment.

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  JonnyBigBoss

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6/03/13 12:10:57 AM#27
I quit around launch because of the hacks. They're still here. Wow.
  PieRad

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6/18/13 5:08:31 AM#28

Yes! it's annoying to get sh*t on by a hacker...

 

However, you guys make it sound like everyone who plays PS2 is hacking, maybe you guys are just horrible at FPS games? it's always the players that die a lot who get's frustrated in their own lack of skill and need someone or something to blame it all on... the obvious one is calling hacks.

 

"OMG HE KILLED ME SO FAST!! HACKS!!"

 

Well, maybe that dude plays FPS games everyday, and have done so for the past 10 years.. Do you honestly expect to have the same reaction time, skill, and situational awareness as him?

 

 

I don't really notice when someone hacks, because, if I get dropped as infantry 2-3 times, and especially if by the same guy, well, then I'll try another approach, maybe pull a max on him, or if the base/terrain allows it another vehicle.

 

Even if someone does hack, he can't do anything when you come rolling with a full platoon, unless he goes full retard mode and headshot everyone in 5 seconds, but if he does that, he'll be banned.

 

 

Listen, there are hacks in every FPS game, there are hacks/cheats in ALL games... but always look at what you could have done better, not what everyone else do or did to you, even if they touched you the wrong way.. just pull a MAX suit and touch them back! SURPRISE BUTT***!

  Icewhite

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6/18/13 5:52:50 AM#29
Originally posted by General-Zod
 

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  GroovyFlower

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6/18/13 6:00:00 AM#30
Originally posted by chaintm

Well beyond the hacks as I will show, the version of this game just isn't ps1 as much as I want it to be. I think this is explained so much better in other threads so I will leave that be. But the anti-hacking that they boasted would be in this game is far from it when you see things like this...

 

(this is from a hacker site, I get these for I like to know the latest games effected and being aimed at)...

 

" We've added PlanetSide 2, The War Z & Diablo 3 to our client just a few hours ago. We are also working on our upcoming BF4 Hack - once it hits the beta you are invited to help us to create the most powerfull cheat for BF4 available"

 

Needless to say this isn't the only one I have come across but I don't want to "emphize" who what where when for I won't feed the hacking fest. Just pointing out I knew it was running rampant latly more then not in ps2 and now it seems, new version are coming out within hours of this posting. Just saying, people are wlling to fork money over to get hacks for games like this. It tells you really that MP games are just dead, well at least any ftp where the consiquance to hacking doesn't hurt the hacker user.

Just erks me to no one end when we brought this up over and over prior to this going live and saying "you know free to play will equal hackfest" as it cost no one to make another account with another email. Sure their time is wasted certing up, but then when do you need certs when you can just hack your way threw. Equipment and items be damed!

I report then go to games forum and quit if i get no reponse and see any progress in solving problem of these hackers/cheaters/exploit.

Result i react with my wallet.

I stop playing cancel and now i mainly play solo games or co-op which im sure dont have to deal with cheaters.

More and more hacker/cheaters ruin game industrie thats why rampart DRM system i hate.

Soon 100% cloud games i wont buy.

In my book there all super losers and should be banned from internet hehe

100%LEGITplayer Forever!!!

  Hatefull

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6/18/13 6:08:43 AM#31
Originally posted by Tallyn

Not sure what server you guys try playing on, but I haven't seen 1 hacker in the last 2 weeks on Matherson, and maybe encountered 1 in the last month or so. That's averaging about 24 hours a week mostly during primetime.


I'm not denying the existence of a hacker problem at all, but I want to point out that SOE has made a very public display of hacker hunting and banning. Whereas hacker prevention inevitably fails in every F2P online game, SOE has done a very good job at following up that failure with an extremely active in-game anti-hacker team.


Then again, Mattherson seems to avoid most of the problems that many people complain about on these forums, probably because the server is full of many of the top outfits from PS1. We seem to police ourselves over there.


Oh, and if anyone wants to see a real state of the game or get responses from the devs like Higby and others, check out the planetside reddit page instead of feeding off of mongering on forums like this. Just some advice, since you'd be surprised and impressed with how awesome the PS2s dev team is to the community on reddit and planetside universe. That's where they go to for advice, feedback, comments, suggestions, and to mess around. Good community = good dev response, which is non-existent here.


Anyway, did you even know that the lattice system is about to be put back in next patch, OP? How's that in regards to more PS1 for ya? That's AFTER the players asked for it on sites like reddit and planetside universe. =)

I play on Waterson and Connery and have been since BETA.  I have not seen many hackers at all.  This is one area where I think SOE is working hard at keeping it under control.

Are there hackers in PS2?  Definitely.  Is it as rampant as people think it is?  Definitely not.  Sorry guys some people are just that good at the game, and because you get killed a lot does not mean they are hacking...always.  Some times it does and you should be able to notice the tell-tales when they are.  180 Deg. snap turn to head shot - Probably hacking.  Shields/health never move even on hit registers - Probably hacking.  etc etc.

There are hackers, yes, this is not and it will never be PS1.  Which isn't a bad thing.  Hacker sites brag about all manner of things, saying they have a hack for so and so, does not mean that they do.  You can come here and cry wolf all you want, but the facts do not side with you in this argument, the hacking is not as rampant nor as wide spread as you would have people believe.

As far as speaking with Higby, really it is pretty easy, hit him up on Reddit, I bet he will speak to you personally, I have spoken with him via  TeamSpeak and on the phone, he is happy to address any issues you may be having.

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  Xasapis

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6/18/13 6:33:25 AM#32
I don't recall seeing anyone doing any blatant hacking the past month and even before that the amount of obvious hackers was low. It's just that the damage that they were doing was very noticeable. These days though? Either they are very subtle or they are extremely rare, which is the exact opposite of what the op is saying.
  Omgz

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6/18/13 10:22:17 AM#33

I played Ps2 alot and dont anymore but I wouldnt say its because of hackers although im sure there are some. However, always remember the dunning kruger effect.:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

  Shadanwolf

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6/18/13 10:33:39 AM#34

In DAOC...players caught using radar to find other players......IF they receive the maximum punishment its a 3 day ban.

I think many companies have made the calculation that they would rather have the subscription money/in game purchase revenue and have a few angry players...rather than cutting off  a source of some potential revenue.

  Opapanax

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6/18/13 11:27:24 AM#35
Originally posted by Rayshe
It really pains me to say this being a PC gamer. But its starting to look like the only way we can get around hacks are focusing on Console games for shooters. I used to be a High ranking in unreal tournament before this whole hacking thing came to pass (Talking double digits). Playing on PC is still my preference however Consoles are starting to lock online content to anyone who homebrews their system. Given that this can keep out hackers, it looks like shooters will fall into a console only catagory eventually. 

Yea it's one reason why I still love my console gaming and most times I prefer to play my FPS's on console. Just more acustomed to the controls and the hacking is usually less severe on consoles. They still do exist but are no where as rampant in my opinion.

Planetside 2 is coming to PS4 so we'll have to see what type of hacks hit on that version and how rampant they are. Script kiddies and the like will always take the time to find some type of loophole. It's just their thing, but comparing PC to console as far as hacks. Consoles are much less prevalant with them.

As far as comparing PS2 to PS1 they are different games. They are working on bringing some of those older mechanics back, but I don't thnk we'll see many of our more favored features like the perstant landmines and engineering equipment like spitfire turrets come back. Planetside 2 is a cool game it's just not the same beast that Planetside original was though.

PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  PieRad

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6/18/13 11:40:35 AM#36
Originally posted by Shadanwolf

In DAOC...players caught using radar to find other players......IF they receive the maximum punishment its a 3 day ban.

I think many companies have made the calculation that they would rather have the subscription money/in game purchase revenue and have a few angry players...rather than cutting off  a source of some potential revenue.

That's assuming cheaters make up for a large amount of your players.. then sure, you might be better off looking the other way.

But If you as a game company ignore the cheaters, you lose most if not all your legit players.

 

 

 

 

  Loktofeit

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6/18/13 1:20:24 PM#37
Originally posted by Shadanwolf

I think many companies have made the calculation that they would rather have the subscription money/in game purchase revenue and have a few angry players...rather than cutting off  a source of some potential revenue.

Any company with a half a bit of sense knows that the general rule of thumb is that for every problem player you keep you lose ten good ones.

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  Dwigo

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7/30/13 10:42:20 AM#38
Originally posted by ShakyMo
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Like you don't get pve hackers

All them bots in wow and gw2
People making power level maps in neverwinter
People teleport hacking to raid bosses they want

Etc..

 The difference being that in a PvE game I couldn't care less if they are hacking or not. It is not affecting me in any way. In a PvP game hackers are directly ruining my gaming experience if they use bots/hax.

  tempest373

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8/03/13 9:33:35 AM#39
Planetside 2 is filled with hackers. The problem is that you guys seem to think they would be obvious. They have learned and are playing subtle. Like the people with low headshots but very high accuracy? Look at the leaderboards every once in a while at the "top" players for your servers and question some of the players there. Kinda interesting that PS2 has some serious pro players and yet they are unheard of in any other FPS game and in fact, are terrible at them. But being in denial is fine as well.
  reicht

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8/03/13 10:00:11 AM#40
Originally posted by Tinybina
Originally posted by DrunkWolf

almost all shooters are hacked before they even release. these websites that sell/rent hacks have people in the betas working on a hack that is ready for release of the game.  I use to play alot of shooters some on ladders in competetive play, but hacks have pretty much ruined all of that for me. now i find myself not even having fun in them, as most are so hacked up its just pathetic.

the biggest problem isnt the blatent aimbotter that goes out and kills 100 people in a second he gets banned. its the guys who use wall hacks/no recoil/no spray and so on to give him a slight but not so obvious advantage, they are the hard ones to detect but are still cheaters that help ruin the game.

 

 

 

Could now have said it better myself.. There are SOOOO many guys that use the cheats that give me a advantage.. 

I know people will say there are hacks in all FPS games which is true, the difference in other games that are not massive these guys usually get the boot from the server admin.

In Planetside 2 these GM's that they have really are pretty useless.  It takes them hours to do something about the blatant hackers, I can pretty much guess how they deal with guys that are less blatant...

 

I never though I would say it but Planetside 2 has kind of turned me off from Massive Online FPS games due to the fact that they can not deal with hackers, at all..

They pretty much lied to us about being able to handle hackers.

It is nice when people point out for you that they have no idea what they are talking about.  Anti-hacking in a game is not like playing Whack-a-Mole, you don't just usher them out as you find them.  You need to figure out HOW the hack is being done and how to prevent and detect it automatically and efficiently so that instead of spending 3 hours weeding through people throwing fits and managing to get two people actually offending you can just get every one of them at once.

 

Smacking them around lightly just lets them now this method is being fought and figured and that it is time to pursue a new one.  It is a free to play game, single person or account efforts are pointless, their reinvestment of time to make a new account is essentially nothing and with dynamic IPs being so popular IP bans can often result in annoyance for legitimate customers down the line.

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