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  Eulampios

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5/02/13 7:15:18 AM#21

No alliance/corp was replacing your ship while roaming especially if the FC wasn't the official FC.

 

So, when you were doing something for fun, you were overspending despite there being a significant risk you will lose everything. I will repeat myself "Don't fly what you cannot afford to lose". 

You don't drive a Pagani Huayra in real life, do you? Because I am sure you can afford it with loans and sale plans and stuff.

Funfact number 2: According to what I have been just told, Goonswarm actually reimbuses every ship that is a BS or under at hull price. They earch about a trillion per month, they must do something with it.

As to why the game has never changed, it's because everything works. Well, almost everything, lowsec has alot of problems, local chat morphs the game alot, NPC corporations are stupid and stagger new players and various other things.  There is no reason to change the very fundamentals of the game. It's like asking WoW to not be a PvE-centered grind game. This is what it is, if you don't like it you will have to move to another game.

Edit: Regarding Plexes. Someone still has to come with the ISK to buy them. They do no create value out of anything like a self-repairing ship would do. 

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  BTrayaL

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5/02/13 7:15:59 AM#22

Sounds like you don't belong in nullsec, if you don't like the risk of being killed. Also, something many, MANY people always tell you is "Don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it!"

Lost a Mothership? Maybe you should've sticked to frigates, they are cheaper and can take on huge ships (with some expertise, or numbers).

  sketocafe

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5/02/13 8:22:05 AM#23
Originally posted by apanz3r

 

EVE would be a great game if it would cut the farming factor a bit and would implement the same insurance concept as StarCitizen. (you loose the ship you get it back with some restrictions)

Yes there is insurance in eve but you get ingame currency. To replace the ship you would actually have to spend hours to transport/haul/move it in space. For capitals is even harder and for supercapitalls you can't even buy one without proper connections not mentioning that half of universe will literraly run to kill you.

I was just going to say that it sounds like you're in a shitty corp, but then I read this. 

So you want magic ships to appear from nowhere? You want someone to only ever need one thorax/cane/tengu? You don't think that the removal of items and replacement of them by player manufacturers is important to the game?

edit- Also, it's lose. My sweater is loose, I must have lost weight. Don't lose your sweater.

  apanz3r

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OP  5/02/13 12:25:04 PM#24
Originally posted by BTrayaL

Sounds like you don't belong in nullsec, if you don't like the risk of being killed. Also, something many, MANY people always tell you is "Don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it!"

Lost a Mothership? Maybe you should've sticked to frigates, they are cheaper and can take on huge ships (with some expertise, or numbers).

Is not that i don't like to get killed. Is that i don;t  like wasting hours and hours of preparing to play .

I didn't sayd i lost a mothership smartass.  I say a flew one at some point. ( i sold it  after using it to many fleet ops).

Go troll your local chan more.

  Kyleran

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5/02/13 12:39:52 PM#25

What you need to know is everyone perceives the various activities in EVE differently.  I won't go into a full comparision, but will say that if WOT is the sort of PVP action you are craving then EVE is most probably not your style of game.

It really is about the metagaming, making sure you outflank and outmanuever your opponent, and yes, you will have to figure out a way to fund your activities through either PVE grinding or other more profitable ventures such as WH farming, trading, etc.

And yes, multiboxing is common, and profitable, and this is a good thing.  Not quite sure where the idea came from that all MMO's must be single box experiences, I ran up to 4 accounts at a time  and don't regret anything I spent on it.  (Far better deal than paying for 2 or 3 MMO's that I really didn't enjoy that much.

PVP losses in EVE hurt, sometimes enough to make you despair but that's what brings meaning to the victories.

Combat is in EVE is more like real life, you try to avoid it when possible, but if you must fight you try to make sure you are going to win, and win big.  (because dying in RL sort of ...sucks)

It is a different way to play than most games which are centered around light hearted fun......heh, EVE is serious business, and most certainly isn't for everyone.

I wish I could still play, but just don't have the free time in my schedule to partake of the 0.0 combat activities that I prefer to focus on these days.

 

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  drbaltazar

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5/02/13 12:40:13 PM#26
Ingress is better!(for role player lover)
  RefMinor

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5/02/13 12:45:13 PM#27
Originally posted by apanz3r

-there is no concept of fair fight, if you end in one you did something wrong . usually the bigger blob(which can have hundreds of ships/players) wins

What is this "fair fight" concept? It sounds like your tactics/ logistics aren't optimised for victory.

  Hazelle

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Joined: 1/20/11
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5/02/13 12:55:50 PM#28
Originally posted by apanz3r

Good for you.

I gave up, why spend a week of farming(missions, doing industry like you etc)  to have a ship for weekend and spend the weekend running, camping  blobing, getting blobed or in lag when i can play world of tanks and have pvp in 30 sec.

As an industry player I've not found the need to do any of the things you've listed above.

Gathering resources and building stuff to sell for a profit IS the game for me.

People need to lose stuff in order for me to play, but they don't want to lose their stuff so instead of charging into battle guns blazing they need to be more cautious or give someone like me their ISK.

Ship loss and item loss are required for eve to be a full game and a consequence of that is people protect their property by doing the things you complain about above.

You've listed two games both of which are not mmorpgs perhaps you don't want to play a mmorpg, but would prefer to play multiplayer games.

  dave6660

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5/02/13 1:05:28 PM#29
Originally posted by apanz3r

-99% of players have at least 2 accounts ( i was multiboxing with at least 2 - one farming and onbe pvping, but there have been special times when i had 4 loged in)

-0.1  of players( the noes  who are the ceo of corporations and aliances) play for free by tacking/robbing corp funds, the rest are just slaves/meatshield  for their corps/aliances/ceos

Can you cite the source of those numbers?  I wasn't aware CCP made numbers like that public.

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  birdycephon

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5/02/13 1:37:52 PM#30
By all means, sit in your station while we SBU all your systems. We'll blow the station too if its a player structure.
  Muke

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5/02/13 1:40:51 PM#31

OP is very probably a disgruntled player who has been ousted out of their space by some better group of players.

Usually the beaten players who received the short end of the stick quit in rage and start "EVE SUCKS" threads on the internet.

 

OP: EVE is apparently not your thing: maybe too difficult to you, maybe the wrong personality, and good luck in some themepark you might end up with.

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  apanz3r

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Joined: 11/17/11
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OP  5/02/13 2:04:49 PM#32
Originally posted by Muke

OP is very probably a disgruntled player who has been ousted out of their space by some better group of players.

Usually the beaten players who received the short end of the stick quit in rage and start "EVE SUCKS" threads on the internet.

 

OP: EVE is apparently not your thing: maybe too difficult to you, maybe the wrong personality, and good luck in some themepark you might end up with.

 

I didn't had the space conquered or something. It just one day feeled like EVE is too much trouble for too litle revard.

Eve is not to dificult for me, it just waste too much time preparing to play.

I would gladly return to eve if they find a way to cut this dead time and you can roam all day and find comparable sized teams to fight  against.

  apanz3r

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OP  5/02/13 2:08:08 PM#33
Originally posted by birdycephon
By all means, sit in your station while we SBU all your systems. We'll blow the station too if its a player structure.

This is your pvp  - shot station systems ? You must be a pro. Whats next  : jetison canns and shot them ?

 

 

  Muke

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5/02/13 2:13:13 PM#34
Originally posted by apanz3r

it just waste too much time preparing to play.

 

EVE's features have not flopped, on the contrary, but it's probably not your game.

EVE is a sandbox, where you have to build, you don't want that and it apparently takes all too long to get what you want.

you will be more happy in a themepark where you can grind to max level and earn money cap in a few days.

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  apanz3r

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Joined: 11/17/11
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OP  5/02/13 2:13:36 PM#35
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by apanz3r

Good for you.

I gave up, why spend a week of farming(missions, doing industry like you etc)  to have a ship for weekend and spend the weekend running, camping  blobing, getting blobed or in lag when i can play world of tanks and have pvp in 30 sec.

As an industry player I've not found the need to do any of the things you've listed above.

Gathering resources and building stuff to sell for a profit IS the game for me.

People need to lose stuff in order for me to play, but they don't want to lose their stuff so instead of charging into battle guns blazing they need to be more cautious or give someone like me their ISK.

Ship loss and item loss are required for eve to be a full game and a consequence of that is people protect their property by doing the things you complain about above.

You've listed two games both of which are not mmorpgs perhaps you don't want to play a mmorpg, but would prefer to play multiplayer games.

Yes people needs to lose stuff in order to buy new stuff. But if they don;t fight they don;t lose. If you can have some ships that are fective enough for people to use them and don;t care about than be sure there will be pvp and then will be a  lot more that want the extra edge from a ship builded by a player.

 

  apanz3r

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OP  5/02/13 2:17:28 PM#36
Originally posted by Kyleran

What you need to know is everyone perceives the various activities in EVE differently.  I won't go into a full comparision, but will say that if WOT is the sort of PVP action you are craving then EVE is most probably not your style of game.

It really is about the metagaming, making sure you outflank and outmanuever your opponent, and yes, you will have to figure out a way to fund your activities through either PVE grinding or other more profitable ventures such as WH farming, trading, etc.

And yes, multiboxing is common, and profitable, and this is a good thing.  Not quite sure where the idea came from that all MMO's must be single box experiences, I ran up to 4 accounts at a time  and don't regret anything I spent on it.  (Far better deal than paying for 2 or 3 MMO's that I really didn't enjoy that much.

PVP losses in EVE hurt, sometimes enough to make you despair but that's what brings meaning to the victories.

Combat is in EVE is more like real life, you try to avoid it when possible, but if you must fight you try to make sure you are going to win, and win big.  (because dying in RL sort of ...sucks)

It is a different way to play than most games which are centered around light hearted fun......heh, EVE is serious business, and most certainly isn't for everyone.

I wish I could still play, but just don't have the free time in my schedule to partake of the 0.0 combat activities that I prefer to focus on these days.

 

I didn;t say that multibox is bad, it is just a headsup to the new players to know what to wait from this game. And ofcourse you need to play for the multiple accounts.

Right now EVE does not have a real competition but there are 2 new games incomming Star Citizen  and Elite . If any of those 2 becomes succesfully then maybe CCP wil become more receptive to players.

  apanz3r

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OP  5/02/13 2:20:49 PM#37
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by apanz3r

it just waste too much time preparing to play.

 

EVE's features have not flopped, on the contrary, but it's probably not your game.

EVE is a sandbox, where you have to build, you don't want that and it apparently takes all too long to get what you want.

you will be more happy in a themepark where you can grind to max level and earn money cap in a few days.

 

Really, how succesfull is factional waarfare (or whatever was called) ?

How much time you spend watching your 3d avatar ?

I don;t have anything against themepark, is just not my cup of tea. I tried quite a lot of theme but the only other MMO i liked so far is World of Tanks for pvp. Unfortunately tanks are not starships :(

  waynejr2

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5/02/13 2:20:49 PM#38
Originally posted by apanz3r

I liked eve only thing i hated was stupid farming. I played eve for like 5 years while there wasn;t really an alternative mmo for pvp.

They can take the concept of gold tank from World of tanks. They are not too great but they can do an OK job if handled properly. Throw on top of them an insurance that give you the ship back with some passable fit and tadaaa everybody is happy.

People will not be afraid to undock and have pvp, better ships will be still made for people that want an edge. More pvp will mean more ships built, more industry more mining.

Nobody winns if everybody stays docked and spin the ship and don;t engage.

 

 

 Then they break their game model.  Seeing how long this game has worked with the model they created I would say let the pros do what they are doing.

  apanz3r

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OP  5/02/13 2:23:13 PM#39
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by apanz3r

I liked eve only thing i hated was stupid farming. I played eve for like 5 years while there wasn;t really an alternative mmo for pvp.

They can take the concept of gold tank from World of tanks. They are not too great but they can do an OK job if handled properly. Throw on top of them an insurance that give you the ship back with some passable fit and tadaaa everybody is happy.

People will not be afraid to undock and have pvp, better ships will be still made for people that want an edge. More pvp will mean more ships built, more industry more mining.

Nobody winns if everybody stays docked and spin the ship and don;t engage.

 

 

 Then they break their game model.  Seeing how long this game has worked with the model they created I would say let the pros do what they are doing.

The only reason they growth is beacuse people start making alts. Some made them for capitals, some because they could play with plex but at end of the day the number of players did not really increased it is just the number of accounts.

Their current model works because there is really no competition for EVE. If/when will be one they will have to re-evaluate.

 

  apanz3r

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OP  5/02/13 2:25:42 PM#40
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by apanz3r

-there is no concept of fair fight, if you end in one you did something wrong . usually the bigger blob(which can have hundreds of ships/players) wins

What is this "fair fight" concept? It sounds like your tactics/ logistics aren't optimised for victory.

Do you have a lot  of  fun when you jump with 20 supercaps on a roam of 10 battlecruisers ?

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