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  Waldoe

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Posts: 625

4/30/13 8:16:21 PM#41
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Waldoe
Lol the obsession people have on this site with f2p is amazing.. There is a minimum of 5 threads a day about f2p and how games should all go f2p, which is especially funny because p2p is not going anywhere.

 I see the opposite. I see more threads about how f2p is destroying everything than threads about how games should be f2p.

Which is especially funny because f2p is not going anywhere.

Every single day there are threads like: Poll: Should TESO be f2p?, Poll: WIll you play WildStar if it doesn't go f2p?, Rift should go f2p, etc etc,

  Cecropia

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Joined: 3/06/09
Posts: 3322

Poacher killer.

4/30/13 8:20:29 PM#42
Originally posted by Waldoe
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Waldoe
Lol the obsession people have on this site with f2p is amazing.. There is a minimum of 5 threads a day about f2p and how games should all go f2p, which is especially funny because p2p is not going anywhere.

 I see the opposite. I see more threads about how f2p is destroying everything than threads about how games should be f2p.

Which is especially funny because f2p is not going anywhere.

Every single day there are threads like: Poll: Should TESO be f2p?, Poll: WIll you play WildStar if it doesn't go f2p?, Rift should go f2p, etc etc,

Some people only see what they want to; this is an example of such a case.

"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  Waldoe

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Joined: 2/27/10
Posts: 625

4/30/13 8:22:32 PM#43
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by Waldoe
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Waldoe
Lol the obsession people have on this site with f2p is amazing.. There is a minimum of 5 threads a day about f2p and how games should all go f2p, which is especially funny because p2p is not going anywhere.

 I see the opposite. I see more threads about how f2p is destroying everything than threads about how games should be f2p.

Which is especially funny because f2p is not going anywhere.

Every single day there are threads like: Poll: Should TESO be f2p?, Poll: WIll you play WildStar if it doesn't go f2p?, Rift should go f2p, etc etc,

Some people only see what they want to; this is an example of such a case.

You want me to link all of the threads? It won't be difficult to do. There are plenty to pick from.

  VengeSunsoar

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Joined: 3/10/04
Posts: 4914

Be Brief, Be Bright... Be Gone.

4/30/13 8:25:01 PM#44
Originally posted by Waldoe
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by Waldoe
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Waldoe
Lol the obsession people have on this site with f2p is amazing.. There is a minimum of 5 threads a day about f2p and how games should all go f2p, which is especially funny because p2p is not going anywhere.

 I see the opposite. I see more threads about how f2p is destroying everything than threads about how games should be f2p.

Which is especially funny because f2p is not going anywhere.

Every single day there are threads like: Poll: Should TESO be f2p?, Poll: WIll you play WildStar if it doesn't go f2p?, Rift should go f2p, etc etc,

Some people only see what they want to; this is an example of such a case.

You want me to link all of the threads? It won't be difficult to do. There are plenty to pick from.

 And every day there are threads stating f2p is evil, stop f2p, f2p is a scam.  They are all there, easy to see.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Smikis

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Joined: 11/27/04
Posts: 1074

4/30/13 8:30:07 PM#45

how many p2p mmmorpgs are still there? wow, eve, rift, what else?pretty sure some niche obscure ones, darkfall?

its practically 10p2p  vs 100+  f2p, funny how people posted other way around, as if majority of games are p2p

 

i mean really,  at best scenario its 1 to 5 ratio, 1 to 10 is more accurate , and it produces nearly half  of what f2p makes, sounds good enough to me

  Wizardry

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Joined: 8/27/04
Posts: 6994

Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

4/30/13 8:42:51 PM#46

I would have to say those numbers show the F2p idea is failing and badly.The simple reason is there are only a few games in total charging a sub fee,yet you have 500 maybe 1500 F2p games versus maybe 5 lol.I would say they had better be making 500x the profits.

I think this site should search for a LEGIT and HONEST spokesman or women of course from a few industry leaders and get them to tell us the % that actually spend money in F2p games.That would give a MUCH better indication of how valuable the gamers think those games are.If they are not willing to spend any momney,that tells you think nothing of the game,if it folded up shop,they couldn't care less.

I would go on a limb  and bet i am within 2% in saying a maximum of 5% spend anything close to a normal subscription fee.That would be saying 95% do not figure your game is worth the same quality as a sub based game.

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  hcoelho

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Joined: 5/01/08
Posts: 532

4/30/13 8:43:05 PM#47

IMO,  MMOs compared to other games genre are sub par. Specially the mainstream market, they are made so poorly, they are so similar that the "Free is cheaper"  comes handy and totally justify the current trend.

Why on earth would  one pay for a game monthly if  one can have almost the same experience for free on another similar enough.  Unless you are talking about games like EVE and other indies that offers different experiences.

I dare you to name ONE company that delivers enough content monthly to justify a sub,i dare you.... People ain't stupid, they pay what they think its fair.

No surprise F2P market is growing ever stronger. 

  Waldoe

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Joined: 2/27/10
Posts: 625

4/30/13 8:50:31 PM#48
Originally posted by Elandir90

IMO,  MMOs compared to other games genre are sub par. Specially the mainstream market, they are made so poorly, they are so similar that the "Free is cheaper"  comes handy and totally justify the current trend.

Why on earth would  one pay for a game monthly if  one can have almost the same experience for free on another similar enough.  Unless you are talking about games like EVE and other indies that offers different experiences.

I dare you to name ONE company that delivers enough content monthly to justify a sub,i dare you.... People ain't stupid, they pay what they think its fair.

No surprise F2P market is growing ever stronger. 

Name a game that pumps content out faster than Trion with Rift.

  Cecropia

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Joined: 3/06/09
Posts: 3322

Poacher killer.

4/30/13 8:53:24 PM#49
Originally posted by Waldoe
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by Waldoe
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Waldoe
Lol the obsession people have on this site with f2p is amazing.. There is a minimum of 5 threads a day about f2p and how games should all go f2p, which is especially funny because p2p is not going anywhere.

 I see the opposite. I see more threads about how f2p is destroying everything than threads about how games should be f2p.

Which is especially funny because f2p is not going anywhere.

Every single day there are threads like: Poll: Should TESO be f2p?, Poll: WIll you play WildStar if it doesn't go f2p?, Rift should go f2p, etc etc,

Some people only see what they want to; this is an example of such a case.

You want me to link all of the threads? It won't be difficult to do. There are plenty to pick from.

Sorry, I was referring to VengeSunsoar in my comment. I should have been clearer and I completely agree with you.

"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2867

4/30/13 8:58:12 PM#50
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by XAPKen

Times change, markets change, tech changes, games change, payment models adapt.

 

I think Scarlet Blade is a great example.  Have you ever seen anyone say it should be monetized as box plus subscription?  I doubt it.  Now ask yourself why is that.

 

Exactly. This F2P crap is actually made it so that more low quality, garbage MMOs can be released because it will be F2P and they will be able to dupe a few weak-minded people to fork out houndreds of dollars for playing a freaking video game.

You're completely right, New F2P games are crappy quality:

Bless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_iBJcZtwI

Ein Online

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2jZbNHa3jc

Archage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2zm0gABZUg

Neverwinter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5dsZhLHPeQ

Guild Wars 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgyS_-HiD54

Defiance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiT826PSugE

Age of Wushu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coaxkb4HoPk

 

Those titles are just so poor quality compared to these new subscription games:

RIFT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if30VE4ekpk

Darkfall: Unholy Wars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b75WH87BLSM

Wakfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJC8sTHESaI

 

 (If I'm forgetting other any other subscription based games forgive me; I can't remember them all off the top of my head.)

 So tell me what's really going on? You can pick and choose which games are "good" or "bad". However, as you can see from what I've posted up above there's so many new games that are great and are free-to-play compared to how many new games that are (still) subscription based.

 

There are very few subscription games that are successful!

World of Wacraft

Everquest

UO

DAOC

RIFT

 

There have been very few successful games (on the top of my mind) that have been able to pull off their ability to stay profitable with a subscription based model.

 

You choose what games are crap:

 

The ones released as "AAA" subscription games that fail (then in switch to F2P)?

The ones released as free-to-play games that are successful?

 


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  moraelin

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Joined: 8/22/04
Posts: 39

4/30/13 9:03:46 PM#51
Easy to rip people off pieces at a time..then they don't even notice the cash shop expenditures outweigh the subsciption prices :)
  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4814

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4/30/13 9:08:39 PM#52

You're completely right, New F2P games are crappy quality:

Bless who?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_iBJcZtwI

Ein Online who?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2jZbNHa3jc

Archage there's currently no such MMO out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2zm0gABZUg

Neverwinter there's currently no such MMO out there. But it's close. Still...not here yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5dsZhLHPeQ

Guild Wars 2 Not F2P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgyS_-HiD54

Defiance Not good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiT826PSugE

 

 

There are very few subscription games that are successful!

World of Wacraft

Everquest

UO

DAOC

RIFT

 Very few in number, but only one of these is bigger than everything you listed in the F2P section combined.  

 

  Gravarg

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Posts: 3216

4/30/13 9:12:09 PM#53
Originally posted by Waldoe
Originally posted by Elandir90

IMO,  MMOs compared to other games genre are sub par. Specially the mainstream market, they are made so poorly, they are so similar that the "Free is cheaper"  comes handy and totally justify the current trend.

Why on earth would  one pay for a game monthly if  one can have almost the same experience for free on another similar enough.  Unless you are talking about games like EVE and other indies that offers different experiences.

I dare you to name ONE company that delivers enough content monthly to justify a sub,i dare you.... People ain't stupid, they pay what they think its fair.

No surprise F2P market is growing ever stronger. 

Name a game that pumps content out faster than Trion with Rift.

QFT.  Trion puts out more content than all the F2P games combined lol.  There's a few that actually add "content", but almost every F2P just adds cosmetic stuff that won't make a difference, since they can't put out content as DLCs because for some reason people think that's wrong.  DDO and Lotro get bashed for locking content...but like any game, if there isn't more content to play, then you'll probably quit.  WB wants to make money, so they add content for you to buy, then get bashed for it lol.  P2P you pay a sub, you get it all...much easier and better way to go imho.  I really don't like F2P, and I only play Rift and Defiance.  I've been messing around with Neverwinter, but after looking at the "chance to get this item" things you can buy in the gift shop...uh no, just simply no.  Let's go spend $100 on a mount because it has like .0001% chance to come out of that box lol.

  Aelious

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4/30/13 9:14:02 PM#54
Mtibbs

Sorry but most of those games are not F2P:

Archeage
Guild Wars 2
Defiance

Are B2P/P2P. AA looks to be F2P but in China, I think WoW is also F2P in China. In Korea AA is P2P, who knows about US/EU.

Bless
Ein

Could be good games, graphics look great but updated engines are no surprise and it's takes more to be a quality game.
  Waldoe

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Joined: 2/27/10
Posts: 625

4/30/13 9:14:02 PM#55
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by XAPKen

Times change, markets change, tech changes, games change, payment models adapt.

 

I think Scarlet Blade is a great example.  Have you ever seen anyone say it should be monetized as box plus subscription?  I doubt it.  Now ask yourself why is that.

 

Exactly. This F2P crap is actually made it so that more low quality, garbage MMOs can be released because it will be F2P and they will be able to dupe a few weak-minded people to fork out houndreds of dollars for playing a freaking video game.

You're completely right, New F2P games are crappy quality:

Bless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_iBJcZtwI

Ein Online

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2jZbNHa3jc

Archage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2zm0gABZUg

Neverwinter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5dsZhLHPeQ

Guild Wars 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgyS_-HiD54

Defiance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiT826PSugE

Age of Wushu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coaxkb4HoPk

 

Those titles are just so poor quality compared to these new subscription games:

RIFT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if30VE4ekpk

Darkfall: Unholy Wars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b75WH87BLSM

Wakfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJC8sTHESaI

 

 (If I'm forgetting other any other subscription based games forgive me; I can't remember them all off the top of my head.)

 So tell me what's really going on? You can pick and choose which games are "good" or "bad". However, as you can see from what I've posted up above there's so many new games that are great and are free-to-play compared to how many new games that are (still) subscription based.

 

There are very few subscription games that are successful!

World of Wacraft

Everquest

UO

DAOC

RIFT

 

There have been very few successful games (on the top of my mind) that have been able to pull off their ability to stay profitable with a subscription based model.

 

You choose what games are crap:

 

The ones released as "AAA" subscription games that fail (then in switch to F2P)?

The ones released as free-to-play games that are successful?

 

You don't even know the difference between f2p and b2p. Next post please.

 

ArcheAge will be p2p. Final fantasy 11 was a mainstay in p2p titles for a while. Lotro was also quite successful when it was p2p.

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

4/30/13 9:14:30 PM#56
Originally posted by Gravarg
I've been messing around with Neverwinter, but after looking at the "chance to get this item" things you can buy in the gift shop...uh no, just simply no.  Let's go spend $100 on a mount because it has like .0001% chance to come out of that box lol.

I think even among F2P'ers, lottery items are frowned upon.

 

It's the turd sandwich analogy. Nobody likes it, really, but someone out there keeps eating it so they keep making more.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20541

 
OP  4/30/13 9:18:56 PM#57
Originally posted by moraelin
Easy to rip people off pieces at a time..then they don't even notice the cash shop expenditures outweigh the subsciption prices :)

You miss the memo that most F2P players don't pay?

Sure some whales pay through their nose. I think it is a good thing. They subsidize everyone else.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20541

 
OP  4/30/13 9:19:45 PM#58
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Gravarg
I've been messing around with Neverwinter, but after looking at the "chance to get this item" things you can buy in the gift shop...uh no, just simply no.  Let's go spend $100 on a mount because it has like .0001% chance to come out of that box lol.

I think even among F2P'ers, lottery items are frowned upon.

 

It's the turd sandwich analogy. Nobody likes it, really, but someone out there keeps eating it so they keep making more.

That is just illogical. If the game is not fun, or i don't like it, why would i play it?

Every single F2P game i played is fun for me.

  Robokapp

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4814

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

4/30/13 9:22:59 PM#59
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Gravarg
I've been messing around with Neverwinter, but after looking at the "chance to get this item" things you can buy in the gift shop...uh no, just simply no.  Let's go spend $100 on a mount because it has like .0001% chance to come out of that box lol.

I think even among F2P'ers, lottery items are frowned upon.

 

It's the turd sandwich analogy. Nobody likes it, really, but someone out there keeps eating it so they keep making more.

That is just illogical. If the game is not fun, or i don't like it, why would i play it?

Every single F2P game i played is fun for me.

I assume you are referring to the lottery item buyer in first person here...

 

you are aware that what you play and what is fun to you personally is not the sole driving force behind the industry, yes?

 

It's not illogical once you accept that the world contains more than one individual. A logic exists, even if you don't understand it or agree with it.

 

And since you're well known as the F2P Champion around these parts, and i have no problem with that, I must ask...What is your view on the lottery items ?

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2867

4/30/13 9:25:13 PM#60
Originally posted by Robokapp

You're completely right, New F2P games are crappy quality:

Bless who?Click the video. You'll actually find out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_iBJcZtwI

Ein Online who?Click the video. You'll actually find out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2jZbNHa3jc

Archage there's currently no such MMO out there. Very successful F2P title already. If you don't know this I feel sorry for you once again. Just because it's not released in the U.S. does not mean it doesn't exist.


Neverwinter there's currently no such MMO out there. But it's close. Still...not here yet. You must be blind to not know that the game doesn't exist (once again) here's a link to the site: http://nw.perfectworld.com/ It exists get use to it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2zm0gABZUg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5dsZhLHPeQ

Guild Wars 2 Not F2P Not subscription.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgyS_-HiD54

Defiance Not good. Still better quality than many subscription games that have released.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiT826PSugE

 

 

There are very few subscription games that are successful!

World of Wacraft

Everquest

UO

DAOC

RIFT

 Very few in number, but only one of these is bigger than everything you listed in the F2P section combined.  If you want to play this game I'll bite. There are more success MMOs in the F2P market that beat out every one of these games combined. F2P is a genre that has been out for just as long as subscriptions.

 

 I don't know why you don't know of games like Blessed and Ein. I do my research on up coming major MMO's. You should do some research befoer you talk out of your ass and try to combat my points. My entire statement stands completely valid. Subscription based games are no better than the free-to-play titles that are being released.

 You only believe that because you've never heard of these titles. You then assume they're not high quality titles. Which is why I forgive you for being nieve and not actually knowing what's on the horizon for MMO games.

 I don't believe you even have the slightest idea on how much better quality F2P are producing these days and you can keep assuming they're bad. That's your choose to keep in the dark.


Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.

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