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  Silax

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Joined: 10/22/04
Posts: 255

4/29/13 7:53:02 PM#121
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by Ikeda

Why are you people defending $30-$40 mounts?

Why do you immediately reply "this isn't easy like WoW"?

I swear, some people just troll to troll.

Sorry Jero, it's disappointing to hear as I was considering giving this badboy a good free throw and see...

Because we don't care,  don't buy the damn mount.  Apparently people are buying the mount, and the people buying the mount are the ones funding your ability to play a game for free.

i get it, you want to play free and have quick access to the games fluff items too.  I want a buy a house on the beach in the Bahamas for $10 ... Life's a bitch, that's not how it works.

is the zen store overpriced?  Damn right it is.  But people obviously pay those prices, and that's how the game funds itself so you and me can play for absolutely free... So what exactly are you complaining about?  If you really want to piss and moan, do so to the players that pay $40 for a mount, they are the ones that keep the prices high.  Just realize the massive amount of money they are dumping into the game is going towards new content, classes, etc.... So you are basically slapping the hand that feeds you your free game.

 

Pay attention everyone... this man's got it!

Where did you think the money for this game was going to come from?  Ad revenue?

  MadDemon64

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/19/08
Posts: 1027

Why is it that fantasy trolls are vulnerable to fire, but internet trolls thrive on flame wars?

4/29/13 8:13:48 PM#122
Originally posted by Silax
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by Ikeda

Why are you people defending $30-$40 mounts?

Why do you immediately reply "this isn't easy like WoW"?

I swear, some people just troll to troll.

Sorry Jero, it's disappointing to hear as I was considering giving this badboy a good free throw and see...

Because we don't care,  don't buy the damn mount.  Apparently people are buying the mount, and the people buying the mount are the ones funding your ability to play a game for free.

i get it, you want to play free and have quick access to the games fluff items too.  I want a buy a house on the beach in the Bahamas for $10 ... Life's a bitch, that's not how it works.

is the zen store overpriced?  Damn right it is.  But people obviously pay those prices, and that's how the game funds itself so you and me can play for absolutely free... So what exactly are you complaining about?  If you really want to piss and moan, do so to the players that pay $40 for a mount, they are the ones that keep the prices high.  Just realize the massive amount of money they are dumping into the game is going towards new content, classes, etc.... So you are basically slapping the hand that feeds you your free game.

 

Pay attention everyone... this man's got it!

Where did you think the money for this game was going to come from?  Ad revenue?

Why can't more people be like you two?

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  bestever

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/26/11
Posts: 485

4/29/13 8:51:45 PM#123
Originally posted by -aLpHa-

I agree with the OP but for different reasons then the 30-50$ Mounts in the cash shop or the 10$ bags.

I am talking about the normal ingame stuff, where you have no choice but too use AD, like removing enchants, identifying those damn annoying green items that drop like crazy, it moves through the whole game you need a buttload of AD for companion upgrades, upgrades for mounts for crafting for pretty much everything.

You can only earn 25k Astral Diamonds per day.

For a Rank 3 mount you need 2 million Astral Diamonds, now do the math and tell me this ain't fucked up.

This leaves a very bad after taste in my mouth.

Well whatever, this game is a filler for me anyway because if i am perfectly honest, this game is the same old same old and i guess it will get boring very fast.

I'm pretty sure you have the Astral Diamonds per day wrong, you can only convert 24k rough AD into AD. So how does that work if you can only make 25k a day, are they going to not give you the AD that you make in the AH? So if I sale a item on the AH for say 200k I'm not going to get that? Like I said you could get a T3 mount in a month if you sell on the AH and convert your rough AD and get the AD from you blessing every hour if you get any.

Also do the dailys and make even more :).

  darksilver

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/01/07
Posts: 43

4/30/13 1:26:47 AM#124
Originally posted by Silax
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by Ikeda

Why are you people defending $30-$40 mounts?

Why do you immediately reply "this isn't easy like WoW"?

I swear, some people just troll to troll.

Sorry Jero, it's disappointing to hear as I was considering giving this badboy a good free throw and see...

Because we don't care,  don't buy the damn mount.  Apparently people are buying the mount, and the people buying the mount are the ones funding your ability to play a game for free.

i get it, you want to play free and have quick access to the games fluff items too.  I want a buy a house on the beach in the Bahamas for $10 ... Life's a bitch, that's not how it works.

is the zen store overpriced?  Damn right it is.  But people obviously pay those prices, and that's how the game funds itself so you and me can play for absolutely free... So what exactly are you complaining about?  If you really want to piss and moan, do so to the players that pay $40 for a mount, they are the ones that keep the prices high.  Just realize the massive amount of money they are dumping into the game is going towards new content, classes, etc.... So you are basically slapping the hand that feeds you your free game.

 

Pay attention everyone... this man's got it!

Where did you think the money for this game was going to come from?  Ad revenue?

Au contraire, http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=PWRD . ;)

Just to be clear, of course we pay for it through fonder kits and ingame shop  but don't kidding yourself. PWE wants to make money, not because the love us but because it's the business. Have no problems to throw some $ at them but there is always a limit.....

 

 

  rastapastor

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/16/12
Posts: 123

4/30/13 2:05:39 AM#125
Originally posted by Silax
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by Ikeda

Why are you people defending $30-$40 mounts?

Why do you immediately reply "this isn't easy like WoW"?

I swear, some people just troll to troll.

Sorry Jero, it's disappointing to hear as I was considering giving this badboy a good free throw and see...

Because we don't care,  don't buy the damn mount.  Apparently people are buying the mount, and the people buying the mount are the ones funding your ability to play a game for free.

i get it, you want to play free and have quick access to the games fluff items too.  I want a buy a house on the beach in the Bahamas for $10 ... Life's a bitch, that's not how it works.

is the zen store overpriced?  Damn right it is.  But people obviously pay those prices, and that's how the game funds itself so you and me can play for absolutely free... So what exactly are you complaining about?  If you really want to piss and moan, do so to the players that pay $40 for a mount, they are the ones that keep the prices high.  Just realize the massive amount of money they are dumping into the game is going towards new content, classes, etc.... So you are basically slapping the hand that feeds you your free game.

 

Pay attention everyone... this man's got it!

Where did you think the money for this game was going to come from?  Ad revenue?

 

I'd gladly pay 20$ for mount, but not fuckin 40$ where i can buy even 2 standalone games for this price :).

If They cut the prices a half, they would have better revenue. Ask me why? It's the same with the taxes. If the taxes are high, ppl can't afford certain stuff, so they don't buy, so there is no additional money to the national budget. Wanna example? Poland, our goverment rised VAT from 22% to 23%, they expected 1 billion more income, but guess what...IN THE LAST YEAR THERE WAS 600mln LESS MONEY IN THE BUDGET THAN THE YEAR BEFORE WHEN THE VAT WAS 22% CUZ PPL BOUGHT LESS STUFF. 

I would like to pay, but there is a limit, if some company wants to rip me off for fuckin pixel mount that costs 40$? FUCK THEM.

 

Yes it's all vanity items, that are not needed. Thats why i'll still play the game and buy from the IS some minor stuff, i have my monthly budget for games set to 60$ and i wont extend it. I need money for many stuff that are more important :)

  kamiyadori

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/24/13
Posts: 15

4/30/13 3:02:25 AM#126

I read the OPs opening topic and Lost faith in Humanity

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Read The Replies.It has been Restored.

  Tryn2behave2

Novice Member

Joined: 3/25/13
Posts: 20

4/30/13 9:47:55 AM#127
If you have played any other games from PWE, you will see that this game will be Pay To Win.  Aerowyn, you should know that. ;o)
  furbans

Advanced Member

Joined: 2/10/13
Posts: 762

4/30/13 10:14:59 AM#128
Originally posted by Silax
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by Ikeda

Why are you people defending $30-$40 mounts?

Why do you immediately reply "this isn't easy like WoW"?

I swear, some people just troll to troll.

Sorry Jero, it's disappointing to hear as I was considering giving this badboy a good free throw and see...

Because we don't care,  don't buy the damn mount.  Apparently people are buying the mount, and the people buying the mount are the ones funding your ability to play a game for free.

i get it, you want to play free and have quick access to the games fluff items too.  I want a buy a house on the beach in the Bahamas for $10 ... Life's a bitch, that's not how it works.

is the zen store overpriced?  Damn right it is.  But people obviously pay those prices, and that's how the game funds itself so you and me can play for absolutely free... So what exactly are you complaining about?  If you really want to piss and moan, do so to the players that pay $40 for a mount, they are the ones that keep the prices high.  Just realize the massive amount of money they are dumping into the game is going towards new content, classes, etc.... So you are basically slapping the hand that feeds you your free game.

 

Pay attention everyone... this man's got it!

Where did you think the money for this game was going to come from?  Ad revenue?

Or paying overinflated salaries?  Did SWTOR's profit go to new content, classes, ect  and fix what needed to be fixed?  New content has never really been a big sales pitch by Cryptic, and even if it was call me unenthused as I really see their "content" highly lackluster and way too generic.  Classes is the big thing they need to deliver on as the selection is really crap atm.

I can understand a revenue system  is needed while I don't agree with how its implement what I don't stand for is a lack lusted and mediocere MMO which is what Neverwinter is.  It's a damn shame that they took a much loved IP and turned it into some cheesey themepark attraction park and less than have the features one would expect.  But I guess they HAD to go F2P as no one would pay a dime besides die hard fans with what the end product is, severely disappointed in what came out in the end.  Had such high hopes for Neverwinter.

  JeroKane

Elite Member

Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 4669

 
OP  4/30/13 11:52:09 AM#129
Originally posted by furbans
Originally posted by Silax
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by Ikeda

Why are you people defending $30-$40 mounts?

Why do you immediately reply "this isn't easy like WoW"?

I swear, some people just troll to troll.

Sorry Jero, it's disappointing to hear as I was considering giving this badboy a good free throw and see...

Because we don't care,  don't buy the damn mount.  Apparently people are buying the mount, and the people buying the mount are the ones funding your ability to play a game for free.

i get it, you want to play free and have quick access to the games fluff items too.  I want a buy a house on the beach in the Bahamas for $10 ... Life's a bitch, that's not how it works.

is the zen store overpriced?  Damn right it is.  But people obviously pay those prices, and that's how the game funds itself so you and me can play for absolutely free... So what exactly are you complaining about?  If you really want to piss and moan, do so to the players that pay $40 for a mount, they are the ones that keep the prices high.  Just realize the massive amount of money they are dumping into the game is going towards new content, classes, etc.... So you are basically slapping the hand that feeds you your free game.

 

Pay attention everyone... this man's got it!

Where did you think the money for this game was going to come from?  Ad revenue?

Or paying overinflated salaries?  Did SWTOR's profit go to new content, classes, ect  and fix what needed to be fixed?  New content has never really been a big sales pitch by Cryptic, and even if it was call me unenthused as I really see their "content" highly lackluster and way too generic.  Classes is the big thing they need to deliver on as the selection is really crap atm.

I can understand a revenue system  is needed while I don't agree with how its implement what I don't stand for is a lack lusted and mediocere MMO which is what Neverwinter is.  It's a damn shame that they took a much loved IP and turned it into some cheesey themepark attraction park and less than have the features one would expect.  But I guess they HAD to go F2P as no one would pay a dime besides die hard fans with what the end product is, severely disappointed in what came out in the end.  Had such high hopes for Neverwinter.

 When it comes to stay true to D&D ruleset, then Turbine's DDO blows this game straight out of the water.

DDO allows a lot more customization with character creation, then Neverwinter does.

I think overall sadly.... DDO is the better game here. All Neverwinter has going for over DDO is The Foundry system. That's it!

  Draemos

Hard Core Member

Joined: 2/20/10
Posts: 1448

4/30/13 11:54:20 AM#130
Originally posted by rastapastor

 

If They cut the prices a half, they would have better revenue. Ask me why? It's the same with the taxes. If the taxes are high, ppl can't afford certain stuff, so they don't buy, so there is no additional money to the national budget. Wanna example? Poland, our goverment rised VAT from 22% to 23%, they expected 1 billion more income, but guess what...IN THE LAST YEAR THERE WAS 600mln LESS MONEY IN THE BUDGET THAN THE YEAR BEFORE WHEN THE VAT WAS 22% CUZ PPL BOUGHT LESS STUFF. 

 

 

Actually, no... they wouldn't.  Ask me why?  Because they've already run a ton of metrics on it(which should be obvious, of course they've run metrics, their multi-million dollar companies) . Believe it or not, they aren't just pulling shit out of their ass on a forum, they actually do the math and use the method that gets the maximum profit.

There is a presentation that was put out a couple years ago by a prominent f2p gaming executive(or marketing analyst, or something of that nature) from South Korea to an investors group in NA.  I don't remember the name or the company, but I do remember it was a female that was giving the presentation.  I'm sure if you dug hard enough you could probably find it.

Anyway, she explains how to generate the most money from the F2P model, and despite your opinions, you are actually completely wrong.  F2P games make the most money by whale hunting, not casting a bigger net trying to pull in guppies.   The metrics showed that they make far more money by overpricing things and targeting the people willing to spend thousands of dollars, instead of pricing for volume.

 She also explains how there is a fallout point with minimum pricing where there is no volume increase in sales.  That's why almost nothing in a cash shop costs less than $5.  That's the point where maximimum volume of sales can be attained, and reducing it to less than that does nothing to increase sales for that service/item.

 

  LogicLester

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Joined: 3/30/13
Posts: 66

4/30/13 12:42:43 PM#131
Originally posted by furbans
Had such high hopes for Neverwinter.

 

I'm cherrypicking out this quote since it seems to me that a lot of the complaints about Neverwinter boil down to hoping/expecting the game to be something it's pretty obvious it was never going to be.

 

It's a F2P game at launch, we should all know what this means by now, very limited development resources.  So expecting some AAA title to magically appear at launch anyway is ridiculous.  I'm not saying a F2P game can't be good, I'm saying that expecting it to be as good in every way as a game with a budget 10x higher is....  well, crazy.

 

And being that's it's F2P of course they're going to make it easier if, or desirable for you to spend money on things in the game.  Frankly, even if it does REQUIRE you to spend money in order to play past some point, which SWTOR does but I have yet to see anything that makes it seem as though this game does, expecting that a F2P game wouldn't have that on some level is.... well, crazy.

 

It's also a game developed by Cryptic, who have previously made 3 MMOs all of which are fairly similar in basic design.  So expecting things completely different from everything else they've done is.... well, crazy.

 

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this game won't disappoint people with realistic expectations, it can, it does, and it will no doubt continue to.  But those kinds of complaints would have some merit to them at least, and could hopefully create thoughtful discussions (probably not as this is the internet), and likely Cryptic at least COULD do something to improve the situation (again, probably not, it's F2P so any major improvements won't happen or will take a LONG time).  Complaints like those in this thread and most of the others I've seen lately won't, because.... again, unrealistic expectations that fly in the face of reality.

 

  akiira69

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Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 516

Need longer quote limits.

4/30/13 12:47:30 PM#132
Originally posted by JeroKane

 

I don't mind to work a little to get decent items in a game.

I don't mind the studio's need to make some cash via the Item Shop.

But with the current ingame prices on vendors (currency / AD). Wow! It puts the average Asian grinder to shame.

But with the current prices on the Zen shop for a T3 mount / T3 companion.  35 - 40 dollars/euro PER character (not even account wide)!! Sorry you used to buy an entire MMO expansion for those prices.

The game is fun and gameplay decent done. It's the ingame vendors and Zen Cash Shop that instantly turned me off from this game!

Even with Cryptic's other games (CO and STO) it's not this bad. And most likely due to those games not been F2P in beginning and so have a different ingame / cash shop balance.

Sorry.... but for me Cryptic has reached a new low again.

Shame me once with CO. Shame me twice with STO. Neverwinter is third strike and out!

THe game is in OPEN BETA. The entire purpose of OPEN BETA is to shove as many players in to the servers to see what makes them CRASH. This way the developers know how to prevent such crashes.  Only SOE is dumb enough to skip this step when it comes to testing MMO's.

Beta testing

Beta testing comes after alpha testing and can be considered a form of external user acceptance testing. Versions of the software, known as beta versions, are released to a limited audience outside of the programming team. The software is released to groups of people so that further testing can ensure the product has few faults or bugs. Sometimes, beta versions are made available to the open public to increase the feedback field to a maximal number of future users.

"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  codejack

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/17/06
Posts: 171

4/30/13 4:41:25 PM#133
Originally posted by LogicLester
Originally posted by furbans
Had such high hopes for Neverwinter.

 

I'm cherrypicking out this quote since it seems to me that a lot of the complaints about Neverwinter boil down to hoping/expecting the game to be something it's pretty obvious it was never going to be.

 

They called it "Dungeons & Dragons;" if they weren't going to even attempt to appeal to D&D fans, why on Earth did they call the game that?

No, the problem isn't just that it isn't what we hoped or expected, the problem is that it is just BAD from any possible perspective, and putting the single most iconic RPG badge on it just made sure that it would be subjected to harsher scrutiny.

They should have either done a better job (much, MUCH better, so maybe skip that option) or changed the names and called the game something else.

  Squeak69

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Joined: 1/21/13
Posts: 952

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4/30/13 4:45:50 PM#134
Originally posted by codejack
Originally posted by LogicLester
Originally posted by furbans
Had such high hopes for Neverwinter.

 

I'm cherrypicking out this quote since it seems to me that a lot of the complaints about Neverwinter boil down to hoping/expecting the game to be something it's pretty obvious it was never going to be.

 

They called it "Dungeons & Dragons;" if they weren't going to even attempt to appeal to D&D fans, why on Earth did they call the game that?

No, the problem isn't just that it isn't what we hoped or expected, the problem is that it is just BAD from any possible perspective, and putting the single most iconic RPG badge on it just made sure that it would be subjected to harsher scrutiny.

They should have either done a better job (much, MUCH better, so maybe skip that option) or changed the names and called the game something else.

oh its simple IP hype, same as with the argument going on with ESO.

this is why i kinda wish game companies would go bac to makeing new IPs but meh it is what it is.

so far the best online experence fr D&D fans is still NWN 1 or 2 take your pick,

everything else comes up short.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  Allacore69

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 582

4/30/13 4:49:36 PM#135


Originally posted by stayontarget
Are those items even needed?

 



No they are not needed. Nobody needs mounts and special companion to play the game or progress easier. Hell, you get free companions anyway.

  codejack

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/17/06
Posts: 171

4/30/13 5:03:58 PM#136
Originally posted by Squeak69

so far the best online experence fr D&D fans is still NWN 1 or 2 take your pick,

everything else comes up short.

 

Oh, if you can overlook it being in Eberron (and a few system... tweaks), DDO is excellent, although I still have NWN2 installed... which is more than I can say for Neverwinter.

  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 4669

 
OP  4/30/13 5:30:09 PM#137
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by JeroKane

 

I don't mind to work a little to get decent items in a game.

I don't mind the studio's need to make some cash via the Item Shop.

But with the current ingame prices on vendors (currency / AD). Wow! It puts the average Asian grinder to shame.

But with the current prices on the Zen shop for a T3 mount / T3 companion.  35 - 40 dollars/euro PER character (not even account wide)!! Sorry you used to buy an entire MMO expansion for those prices.

The game is fun and gameplay decent done. It's the ingame vendors and Zen Cash Shop that instantly turned me off from this game!

Even with Cryptic's other games (CO and STO) it's not this bad. And most likely due to those games not been F2P in beginning and so have a different ingame / cash shop balance.

Sorry.... but for me Cryptic has reached a new low again.

Shame me once with CO. Shame me twice with STO. Neverwinter is third strike and out!

THe game is in OPEN BETA. The entire purpose of OPEN BETA is to shove as many players in to the servers to see what makes them CRASH. This way the developers know how to prevent such crashes.  Only SOE is dumb enough to skip this step when it comes to testing MMO's.

Beta testing

Beta testing comes after alpha testing and can be considered a form of external user acceptance testing. Versions of the software, known as beta versions, are released to a limited audience outside of the programming team. The software is released to groups of people so that further testing can ensure the product has few faults or bugs. Sometimes, beta versions are made available to the open public to increase the feedback field to a maximal number of future users.

 It's a classic F2P game with classic F2P tactics. The cash shop is live! They accept REAL money and character's wont' be wiped!

F2P games launch as Open Beta and stay that way! Period!  A clever tactic to practically get away with everything!

And seeing how people like you are falling for it with open arms. They are already succeeding.

  FelixMajor

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/27/07
Posts: 323

4/30/13 5:33:01 PM#138
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Emeraq
Wait... You're requesting a refund because you don't want to pay the listed prices for other items in the cash shop???  I truly hope you are declined, as you clearly state the game is fun and decently designed, so you clearly aren't unhappy with the product you received.. it's the other products that you haven't even paid for that you are pissed about... Some people amaze me.

 No. It's a shame a could be great game is being ruined by UTTER COMPANY GREED!

The whole point in this game is to collect and level up Tier 3 companions and eventually get T3 gear and mounts.

The companion system is one of the MAIN features of this game.

That's why I play MMORPG's. To progress my characters.

I don't care about the Foundry. I don't have the time for it.

Rofl, That is why he plays MMORPGs.  To progress his character.  xD

  akiira69

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 516

Need longer quote limits.

4/30/13 6:16:33 PM#139
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by JeroKane

 

I don't mind to work a little to get decent items in a game.

I don't mind the studio's need to make some cash via the Item Shop.

But with the current ingame prices on vendors (currency / AD). Wow! It puts the average Asian grinder to shame.

But with the current prices on the Zen shop for a T3 mount / T3 companion.  35 - 40 dollars/euro PER character (not even account wide)!! Sorry you used to buy an entire MMO expansion for those prices.

The game is fun and gameplay decent done. It's the ingame vendors and Zen Cash Shop that instantly turned me off from this game!

Even with Cryptic's other games (CO and STO) it's not this bad. And most likely due to those games not been F2P in beginning and so have a different ingame / cash shop balance.

Sorry.... but for me Cryptic has reached a new low again.

Shame me once with CO. Shame me twice with STO. Neverwinter is third strike and out!

THe game is in OPEN BETA. The entire purpose of OPEN BETA is to shove as many players in to the servers to see what makes them CRASH. This way the developers know how to prevent such crashes.  Only SOE is dumb enough to skip this step when it comes to testing MMO's.

Beta testing

Beta testing comes after alpha testing and can be considered a form of external user acceptance testing. Versions of the software, known as beta versions, are released to a limited audience outside of the programming team. The software is released to groups of people so that further testing can ensure the product has few faults or bugs. Sometimes, beta versions are made available to the open public to increase the feedback field to a maximal number of future users.

 It's a classic F2P game with classic F2P tactics. The cash shop is live! They accept REAL money and character's wont' be wiped!

F2P games launch as Open Beta and stay that way! Period!  A clever tactic to practically get away with everything!

And seeing how people like you are falling for it with open arms. They are already succeeding.

Open Beta Characters are never whiped if you did Beta Testing before you would know this. Beta stages 1 - 3 have character whipes at the start of each new testing cycle. Open Beta Testing never does. THis is has been the standard for all beta testing.

"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  chaintm

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/02/04
Posts: 975

"Shutting down threads sense 2004"

4/30/13 6:27:04 PM#140
Originally posted by akiira69

Open Beta Characters are never whiped if you did Beta Testing before you would know this. Beta stages 1 - 3 have character whipes at the start of each new testing cycle. Open Beta Testing never does. THis is has been the standard for all beta testing.

Dude, just stop hurting yourself attempting to say open beta is an excuse for a possible crappy game in peoples eyes. If someone doesn't like it they don't like it , period. Saying it's beta doesn't change that fact. Let it go.

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