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  Sinner01

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Joined: 6/12/09
Posts: 8

4/28/13 5:59:28 PM#21
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by adrikthorsen

1) AD items are not neccessary for gameplay

2) AD is earnable through regular gameplay

3) AD is tradable

So your problem is that you can't have instant gratification without spending extra money? Get over it, I can't get a hamburger instantly without spending money at mcdonald's - normal progression of a hamburger is to cook it, prep it, then eat it. Instant gratification costs more, as it should. Quit whining.

 1) Yes they are or you need other ingame currency/marks/lockbox currency, which is just as hard to acquire.

2) have you seen the rate you earn AD? And how long it will take you to get like 1.000.000 AD?  Most items go for 2 million + AD.

3) Not yet. No one is trading yet. And sorry I am not going to spend 100 bucks in trading enough AD to buy a single item.

You are just trolling, just like others! No one ever said anything about instant gratification.

I have been playing MMO's for over a decade now and know what time investment is.

But there is a difference between a reasonable time investment and stupid insane grind, because they rather want you to spend tons of Cash in the Item shop!

And like I also said... I don't mind the studio need to make money... I happily spend money on MICRO transactions!

But nothing in the Zen shop comes even remotely close to MICRO transactions!

Turbine and ArenaNet at least know how to do Cash Shops well and understand the concept of Micro Transactions. Hell even SOE's prices in the EQ2 cash shop are reasonable.

Cryptic sertainly does not and seems only interested in the Rich few who will litterly spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on their game.

Sorry.... I won't be one of those.

Seems like a really fair critique.. Hopefully they change the ZEN prices or in-game prices so players don't feel this way! I haven't played because entirely F2P game models just don't work for me, ever. I might check it out down the line if it is improving.

  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5352

 
OP  4/28/13 5:59:48 PM#22
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Eir_S

Oh here we go again.  People complained about GW2 for similar reasons.  Listen, if you have that much extra cash and you're in a hurry (or lazy), that's who they'll make their money from.  Even then, the game hasn't been released, so they may change those prices.  Doubtful though, since you're skipping way ahead by buying them.

But........ you could save money and just get them by playing the game instead. 

Basically your complaint is, "I don't have time to grind and the items aren't cheap".  I don't see how this will be an issue for most people, since MMO's, you know, kind of take some time.

 Guild Wars 2 blows this game out of the water. Sorry.

I enjoy the heck out of that game! As it more like a P2P MMORPG approach with a Vanity / Convience Cash Shop approach combined with the B2P model.

Neverwinter is just follows the classic ordinary Asian grinder F2P Item Mall approach, turning the game itself into a huge grind to "force" people into the cash shop.

I had just hoped Neverwinter would also follow ArenaNet and Turbine approach and keep their Cash Shop vanity / convience / game services and not turn the game into an asian grinder (not talking about the leveling... but everything else).

This is just my opinion and my dissapointment.

And AGAIN. Has nothing to do with not willing to invest time in the game nor willing to spend cash.  As matter of fact I actually bought 10 keys for 10 euros earlier to open some lockboxes.

i'm in game looking at the zen shop now what in the shop doesn't fall under those 3?

 Play the game for a while and you will notice sooner or later.

Visit ingame mount / companion / gear vendors... and you will notice the insane currency prices. Even for lower level stuff!

They are way off. By the time you acquired enough AD or enough marks or other forms of required currency.... you will have far outleveled that gear!

The balance is just really off and doesn't make any sense.

And even for the lvl60 and Tier 3 companion / mount stuff.... you are looking at an insane grind.

Sorry, like I said.... those type of games that feel more like a second job... are just not for me.

And people were complaining about the exotic gear in Guild Wars 2.... piece of cake to get compared to Neverwinter. Seriously.

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

4/28/13 6:00:29 PM#23
looked through everything still stumped what OP is complaining about looks like a bunch of fluff stuff in the zen shop

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

4/28/13 6:01:00 PM#24
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Eir_S

Oh here we go again.  People complained about GW2 for similar reasons.  Listen, if you have that much extra cash and you're in a hurry (or lazy), that's who they'll make their money from.  Even then, the game hasn't been released, so they may change those prices.  Doubtful though, since you're skipping way ahead by buying them.

But........ you could save money and just get them by playing the game instead. 

Basically your complaint is, "I don't have time to grind and the items aren't cheap".  I don't see how this will be an issue for most people, since MMO's, you know, kind of take some time.

 Guild Wars 2 blows this game out of the water. Sorry.

I enjoy the heck out of that game! As it more like a P2P MMORPG approach with a Vanity / Convience Cash Shop approach combined with the B2P model.

Neverwinter is just follows the classic ordinary Asian grinder F2P Item Mall approach, turning the game itself into a huge grind to "force" people into the cash shop.

I had just hoped Neverwinter would also follow ArenaNet and Turbine approach and keep their Cash Shop vanity / convience / game services and not turn the game into an asian grinder (not talking about the leveling... but everything else).

This is just my opinion and my dissapointment.

And AGAIN. Has nothing to do with not willing to invest time in the game nor willing to spend cash.  As matter of fact I actually bought 10 keys for 10 euros earlier to open some lockboxes.

i'm in game looking at the zen shop now what in the shop doesn't fall under those 3?

 Play the game for a while and you will notice sooner or later.

Visit ingame mount / companion / gear vendors... and you will notice the insane currency prices.

 

you talking about the stuff you buy the AD?

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  ZedTheRock

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/15/13
Posts: 175

4/28/13 6:02:01 PM#25
Originally posted by stayontarget

Are those items even needed?

 

Of course their not, the only reason he is pissed is because he can;t afford it and wants them.  Might I add its also better then TSW since NWO you only need to make 1 or 2 big purchases like that,  In TSW its niockle and diming to death every other day. 

SUP

  ketzerei84

Novice Member

Joined: 2/06/11
Posts: 48

4/28/13 6:03:15 PM#26
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Eir_S

Oh here we go again.  People complained about GW2 for similar reasons.  Listen, if you have that much extra cash and you're in a hurry (or lazy), that's who they'll make their money from.  Even then, the game hasn't been released, so they may change those prices.  Doubtful though, since you're skipping way ahead by buying them.

But........ you could save money and just get them by playing the game instead. 

Basically your complaint is, "I don't have time to grind and the items aren't cheap".  I don't see how this will be an issue for most people, since MMO's, you know, kind of take some time.

 Guild Wars 2 blows this game out of the water. Sorry.

I enjoy the heck out of that game! As it more like a P2P MMORPG approach with a Vanity / Convience Cash Shop approach combined with the B2P model.

Neverwinter is just follows the classic ordinary Asian grinder F2P Item Mall approach, turning the game itself into a huge grind to "force" people into the cash shop.

I had just hoped Neverwinter would also follow ArenaNet and Turbine approach and keep their Cash Shop vanity / convience / game services and not turn the game into an asian grinder (not talking about the leveling... but everything else).

This is just my opinion and my dissapointment.

And AGAIN. Has nothing to do with not willing to invest time in the game nor willing to spend cash.  As matter of fact I actually bought 10 keys for 10 euros earlier to open some lockboxes.

i'm in game looking at the zen shop now what in the shop doesn't fall under those 3?

 Play the game for a while and you will notice sooner or later.

Visit ingame mount / companion / gear vendors... and you will notice the insane currency prices.

 

you talking about the stuff you buy the AD?

Yes he's mostly complainign about AD price of items, and cost of AD in store. A complaint being made before the game is even live or people have had a chance to establish a market for AD in game. Which is rather foolish and indicates that he's never played another b2p game at launch before.

  MadDemon64

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Joined: 4/19/08
Posts: 1093

Why is it that fantasy trolls are vulnerable to fire, but internet trolls thrive on flame wars?

4/28/13 6:04:19 PM#27
Originally posted by Emeraq
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Emeraq
Wait... You're requesting a refund because you don't want to pay the listed prices for other items in the cash shop???  I truly hope you are declined, as you clearly state the game is fun and decently designed, so you clearly aren't unhappy with the product you received.. it's the other products that you haven't even paid for that you are pissed about... Some people amaze me.

 No. It's a shame a could be great game is being ruined by UTTER COMPANY GREED!

The whole point in this game is to collect and level up Tier 3 companions and eventually get T3 gear and mounts.

The companion system is one of the MAIN features of this game.

That's why I play MMORPG's. To progress my characters.

I don't care about the Foundry. I don't have the time for it.

So play and progress your characters and don't bitch about not wanting to pay to progress them.

QFT my friend, QFT.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  Aerowyn

Novice Member

Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

4/28/13 6:09:11 PM#28
Originally posted by adrikthorsen

 

you talking about the stuff you buy the AD?

Yes he's mostly complainign about AD price of items, and cost of AD in store. A complaint being made before the game is even live or people have had a chance to establish a market for AD in game. Which is rather foolish and indicates that he's never played another b2p game at launch before.

yea value of AD is largely based on the market its hard to say how easy or hard AD will be to make from the AH till the masses hit the game and more AD is circulating out their.. also it gives you something to work on.. that was a huge complaint in GW2.. i could easily just spend some cash and buy full exotics if I wanted to but why should I? it defeats the whole point of working on it yourself.. sure you may need millions of AD but its a progression system which is what you wanted right? to continually work to make your character stronger which this system provides.. i thought you were complaining about the zen market which is why I was confused

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5352

 
OP  4/28/13 6:09:24 PM#29
Originally posted by Aerowyn
looked through everything still stumped what OP is complaining about looks like a bunch of fluff stuff in the zen shop

 So you think 35 - 40 dollars / euros for stuff like mounts and companions is normal?

Have you checked the companion vendor ingame and seen the prices for T3 compansions?

You're facing some serious hardcore grind ingame to acquire just one of those.

  cylon8

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Joined: 6/10/07
Posts: 314

4/28/13 6:11:00 PM#30
remind me why gw2 is still lauded for their b2p modle when even they seem to be causally admitting they didn't get enough digi/box sales to push out content as fast and as well developed as they want and for all intents in purposes gw2 is a mediocre game. Im'M sorry but in f2p games, especially in cryptic/PW games RE OPTIONAL> with a little work most if not all cash shop items are attainable in game......if your laziness is eeeking you toward  the cash shop maybe mmos are not for you

so say we all

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

4/28/13 6:11:43 PM#31
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Aerowyn
looked through everything still stumped what OP is complaining about looks like a bunch of fluff stuff in the zen shop

 So you think 35 - 40 dollars / euros for stuff like mounts and companions is normal?

Have you checked the companion vendor ingame and seen the prices for T3 compansions?

You're facing some serious hardcore grind ingame to acquire just one of those.

so what? if you get them in a month then what are you going to do? makes more sense to work a couple months + to get them and feel like you acomplished something.. you don't need to spend anything that's the point you want it just work towards it.. unless you are the type that "needs" to be the first one to get everything

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5352

 
OP  4/28/13 6:12:11 PM#32
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by adrikthorsen

 

you talking about the stuff you buy the AD?

Yes he's mostly complainign about AD price of items, and cost of AD in store. A complaint being made before the game is even live or people have had a chance to establish a market for AD in game. Which is rather foolish and indicates that he's never played another b2p game at launch before.

yea value of AD is largely based on the market its hard to say how easy or hard AD will be to make from the AH till the masses hit the game and more AD is circulating out their.. also it gives you something to work on.. that was a huge complaint in GW2.. i could easily just spend some cash and buy full exotics if I wanted to but why should I? it defeats the whole point of working on it yourself.. sure you may need millions of AD but its a progression system which is what you wanted right? to continually work to make your character stronger which this system provides.. i thought you were complaining about the zen market which is why I was confused

 Exactly... I happily want to work for it ingame and spend some cash on convinience stuff along the way to keep Cryptic in bussiness.

But the amount of grind I am facing in this game just was an instant turn off for me.

Some people might have time to play 10 hours a day.... fine! They will have no trouble with the grind in this game.

People with far less time on their hands will sertainly be dissapointed in this game, when they see the prices.

  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5352

 
OP  4/28/13 6:15:36 PM#33
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Aerowyn
looked through everything still stumped what OP is complaining about looks like a bunch of fluff stuff in the zen shop

 So you think 35 - 40 dollars / euros for stuff like mounts and companions is normal?

Have you checked the companion vendor ingame and seen the prices for T3 compansions?

You're facing some serious hardcore grind ingame to acquire just one of those.

so what? if you get them in a month then what are you going to do? makes more sense to work a couple months + to get them and feel like you acomplished something.. you don't need to spend anything that's the point you want it just work towards it.. unless you are the type that "needs" to be the first one to get everything

 Sorry a couple months mindless grind to get a single T3 companion, which then afterwards you still need to level up / train to rank 30! Not my cup of thee.

The whole point of companions, is that they can level up alongside you and aid you in questing and running dungeons.

For me there is a difference between putting effort in the game or just facing a mindless grind.

Effort I like. Mindless grind I do not.

And that's all I have to say to it for now. TIme for bed for me. After midnight here.

  Alber_gamer

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4/28/13 6:16:02 PM#34

Exactly how is a T3 mount necessary to play the game in its full extent? You can't even use mounts in dungeons, so it's just a slight commodity to travel around in town (minor upgrade from the prevous tier mount).

 

I guess the point is just complaining?

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  Aerowyn

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4/28/13 6:18:30 PM#35
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by adrikthorsen

 

you talking about the stuff you buy the AD?

Yes he's mostly complainign about AD price of items, and cost of AD in store. A complaint being made before the game is even live or people have had a chance to establish a market for AD in game. Which is rather foolish and indicates that he's never played another b2p game at launch before.

yea value of AD is largely based on the market its hard to say how easy or hard AD will be to make from the AH till the masses hit the game and more AD is circulating out their.. also it gives you something to work on.. that was a huge complaint in GW2.. i could easily just spend some cash and buy full exotics if I wanted to but why should I? it defeats the whole point of working on it yourself.. sure you may need millions of AD but its a progression system which is what you wanted right? to continually work to make your character stronger which this system provides.. i thought you were complaining about the zen market which is why I was confused

 Exactly... I happily want to work for it ingame and spend some cash on convinience stuff along the way to keep Cryptic in bussiness.

But the amount of grind I am facing in this game just was an instant turn off for me.

Some people might have time to play 10 hours a day.... fine! They will have no trouble with the grind in this game.

People with far less time on their hands will sertainly be dissapointed in this game, when they see the prices.

you have no way to determine that until you see what the market for AD will be like once the game hits the masses and how much you can sell drops for on the AH.. could be awhile maybe not.. but most MMOs are a grind very few like GW2 don't have much grind at all but they want people playing for a long time so you put in a heavy grind for people who want that.. i don't really have an issue with either way.. my main issue with cash shops is if you are required to spend cash for best in slot items or you can obtain "more powerfull" items from the cash shop than could be obtained otherwise..

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  JeroKane

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OP  4/28/13 6:20:28 PM#36
Originally posted by Alber_gamer

Exactly how is a T3 mount necessary to play the game in its full extent? You can't even use mounts in dungeons, so it's just a slight commodity to travel around in town (minor upgrade from the prevous tier mount).

 

I guess the point is just complaining?

 It's not just mounts. It's everything! From gear to Tier 3 companions to everything else.

Just look at a gear vendor for example a lvl16 blue item. By the time you gathered enough marks you will be level 30 and have far outleveled it!   Absolutely stupid.  There is just no proper balance in this game when it comes to ingame vendor prices.

 

  Aerowyn

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4/28/13 6:21:56 PM#37
i'm also curious once you obtained that T3 gear and have best in slot in everything what next? what does this game offer you that would keep you playing since you have no interest in the foundry?

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  JeroKane

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OP  4/28/13 6:24:05 PM#38
Originally posted by Aerowyn
i'm also curious once you obtained that T3 gear and have best in slot in everything what next? what does this game offer you that would keep you playing since you have no interest in the foundry?

 Playing foundry missions I like.  I was talking about using the foundry myself to create content. I don't have time for that.

  Tokenaru

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4/28/13 6:24:13 PM#39
PWE is P2W everyone knows this.  All of thier games are highly pay to win, they make thier money overseas where they like that sort of thing.  Launching it here is just bonus for them.
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OP  4/28/13 6:26:33 PM#40
Originally posted by Tokenaru
PWE is P2W everyone knows this.  All of thier games are highly pay to win, they make thier money overseas where they like that sort of thing.  Launching it here is just bonus for them.

 Well I had hoped with Cryptic and Neverwinter mostly marketed to the West, that they would keep the prices on more sane levels.

I guess I was wrong. And that's that. I just go back and continue on playing other games like GW2, TSW, etc.

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