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  PAL-18

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4/25/13 11:37:41 AM#41
Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by Jayaris
A discount was offered and advertised for a long time. Your bad, in my opinion.

 

You think that its customers fault because they did not pre-order product which is still in alpha stage when its launched?

 

They offered and advertised this product long time ago ,and you dont see the problem ?

 

 

Then what're you crying about? If you do not want to play the game it comes off as you're crying for the sake of crying.

i only understand from your post that you use word crying alot.

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014

  Landon2068

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4/25/13 11:40:17 AM#42
Originally posted by jfoytek

Simple Basic Business ethics, you give your returning customer the game for free after all he is PAYING A SUBSCRIPTION!!!

This would only make sense if Aventurin believe that you money they get from you via subscriptions fee are higher then costs of the box. E.g. they bet now that you most probably don't play more then 3 months.
  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 11:42:48 AM#43

Guys you can call me a whiner if you wish you can say I am crying!

 

Facts are I played Darkfall from early 2009 till it shut down I loved the game....

I payed retail price for the original game and my month subs to have the game I loved shut down, the rug pulled out from under me!

I have waited for the game to release patiently, eager and ready to resub!

 

BUT I WILL NOT BUY THE GAME TWICE.....  You can call it a new game but its not!!!  Its the same game the dev's were trying to make the first time, the re-worked it, changed the graphics but its DARKFALL... 

AND

I would likely love it BUT

I WILL NOT BUY A GAME TWICE.... its the principal of the deal !!!  Where is AV's business ethics, this is wrong a blind man could see it!!!

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  SupportPlayerMM

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4/25/13 11:46:18 AM#44
Originally posted by jfoytek

Guys you can call me a whiner if you wish you can say I am crying!

 

Facts are I played Darkfall from early 2009 till it shut down I loved the game....

I payed retail price for the original game and my month subs to have the game I loved shut down, the rug pulled out from under me!

I have waited for the game to release patiently, eager and ready to resub!

 

BUT I WILL NOT BUY THE GAME TWICE.....  You can call it a new game but its not!!!  Its the same game the dev's were trying to make the first time, the re-worked it, changed the graphics but its DARKFALL... 

AND

I would likely love it BUT

I WILL NOT BUY A GAME TWICE.... its the principal of the deal !!!  Where is AV's business ethics, this is wrong a blind man could see it!!!

actually I'm going to use my detective intuition to call you a Liar, everyone else who "loved" the game so much pre-ordered for 15$, they didn't wait until weeks after it relaunched. I call BS sir, good day with your fabricating truth in hopes of pity.

There's just simply no way someone so enthralled with a product would ignore the entire year get the game for free pre-order.

  Reizla

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4/25/13 11:47:10 AM#45
Originally posted by jfoytek

Well it would seem that Aventurine does not have good business ethics....

 

Customer buys a game,  game is shut down and remade, customers wait for the new product.

New Product is released and AV says sorry this is a new game you must pay us again???  Hold the phone we bought the first version of Dark Fall?  Whats to say you wont shut this one down in another year and make us buy the third version etc... etc....

 

Simple Basic Business ethics, you give your returning customer the game for free after all he is PAYING A SUBSCRIPTION!!!

 

***I refuse to buy the new version and will not return until they figure out the mistake they are making***

I have voiced this already at the announcement of DF:UW. Both the fact that returning players have to pay again for the client (which is indeed an update on the old DF) as well as the fact that in 2 years Adventurine will most likely do it again with the next major update they make to DF.

For those that compare GW with GW2 in this case... WRONG GW is still available and GW2 is a totally other game compared to GW.

If I'd have bought DF, I'd skil DF:UW for sure. Since I didn't buy it, I'm not gonna buy DF:UW because of the chance that in 2 years those servers will be put off-line again and I have to repurchase the updated DF3 client...

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  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 11:55:31 AM#46

I guess this is where i have to defend myself?  Because obviously I am a liar....

 

I am Sulfurblade a Wolf that joined the game in Jan 2009....  I was one of the first shipbuilders in the game, I could craft pretty much everything in the game...

I was a member of Pirates of Skara Brae and after that Orks

 

I am sure there are many old school Darkfall players who knew me or of me and will gladly back my statement....

 

As for the preorder I had ZERO knowledge of it....  and as for launch everytime it said it was going to launch it got pushed back and pushed back and pushed back.... so no I didnt sit at my computer wondering if this would be the day Darkfall would finally release....  I simply checked this sight every few weeks...

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  Certhax

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4/25/13 12:03:24 PM#47

Aventurine is scammer group, no doubt.

 

We paid for a game once, now they show us same game with different features and this cant be NEW game. 

  SupportPlayerMM

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4/25/13 12:06:32 PM#48
Originally posted by jfoytek

I guess this is where i have to defend myself?  Because obviously I am a liar....

 

I am Sulfurblade a Wolf that joined the game in Jan 2009....  I was one of the first shipbuilders in the game, I could craft pretty much everything in the game...

I was a member of Pirates of Skara Brae and after that Orks

 

I am sure there are many old school Darkfall players who knew me or of me and will gladly back my statement....

 

As for the preorder I had ZERO knowledge of it....  and as for launch everytime it said it was going to launch it got pushed back and pushed back and pushed back.... so no I didnt sit at my computer wondering if this would be the day Darkfall would finally release....  I simply checked this sight every few weeks...

And you have an entire post history of talking about every sandbox you can; yet not once mentioning Darkfall until this very thread, You actually proclaim your enjoyment to games you hadn't played in years but not once mention Darkfall which you LOVED from start to finish, Stop being a troll posting your fake hate threads.

 

Everyone move along...

  Biskop

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4/25/13 12:08:28 PM#49

Personally I couldn't care less about having to buy the game again. After all, it's a major update, more like a hybrid between an expansion and a new game, and then it's pretty common practice to pay for it. Besides it's not like the amount of money involved is staggering.

What matters to me is the quality of the game and the professionalism of the company, and DFUW lost both those races by a wide margin, a long time ago.

I was pretty hyped for it, back in October. Then came the launch fiasco. And then the other launch fiasco, where they announced a "beta" the same day the game was supposed to launch. By then I abandoned all remaining hope for this company and their game - which had already started to look like less of a game than DF1.

Some reports from the "beta" have reached my ears and it all sounded terrible - major bugs and instabilties, dumbed down systems, lazy design (like artificial safe zones in a FFA game), missing content, sub par graphics and animations, and so on.

I liked DF1, in spite of its shortcomings. It needed some major fixes, no doubt. But to me it looks like DFUW has fixed nothing, just dumbed it down and made it even more about deathmatch style PvP and even less about sandbox features. AV are still telling lies, acting like morons, and generally being very unprofessional about their game and their customer relations.

In short: if anything has changed, it has changed for the worse. The game could cost $1 for all I care, I still wouldn't bother with it.

 

  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 12:11:32 PM#50

Darkfall was not better then Ultima Online pre trammel nor was it better then SWG pre NGE....

 

But those games no longer exist and Darkfall for a long time was the best game remaining was it perfect or everything I wanted NO but it was better then the rest of the theampark crap games with crap PVP....

 

infact if you look at my post history and my love of Crafting and Sandbox games it would only make sense I enjoyed Darkfall....

Not to mention its in my signature aswell!!!

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  JimmyYO

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4/25/13 12:20:17 PM#51
Actually FFXIV is a new game if you've been in beta; in fact, it's alot newer then Darkfall UW is so this is quite the cash grab considering how unfinished the game still is.
  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 3:21:25 PM#52
How hard is it for AV to understand the simple concept that without the support of their original playerbase they wouldnt have had the money to create this new version and how do they repay us!!!  By charging us twice for the game?!?

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  SupportPlayerMM

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4/25/13 3:28:24 PM#53
Originally posted by jfoytek
How hard is it for AV to understand the simple concept that without the support of their original playerbase they wouldnt have had the money to create this new version and how do they repay us!!!  By charging us twice for the game?!?

Still gonna do this huh, even though you had a year to get the game for free? New Darkfall doesn't even feel like old Darkfall is just looks similar on the lowest settings.

  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 3:33:32 PM#54

[mod edit]

I wont pay twice for the same game!  No returning Darkfall player should there would be no darkfall without us in the first place!

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  SupportPlayerMM

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4/25/13 3:37:19 PM#55
Originally posted by jfoytek

[mod edit]

I wont pay twice for the same game!  No returning Darkfall player should there would be no darkfall without us in the first place!

That's flawed logic, There would be a Darkfall without you, many vet guilds have all rebought the game or claimed the free game with a monthly sub offer long ago, It's unfortunate you didn't but this is an open forum and as long as it's a invalid situation concerning dilutted ideals that you're the cause of your own dismay I shall stand in defense of a helpless product that you chose to not be proactive about and chose to lie about in this very thread about your love and dedication for.

  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 3:40:34 PM#56

Diluted Ideals,

 

Maybe the phone company should change its name and charge you twice because there a different phone company! 

Darkfall is still Darkfall it has the same name, same races, same map, same dev's....  We already purchased darkfall we should not have to purchase it again!

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  SupportPlayerMM

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4/25/13 3:43:43 PM#57
Originally posted by jfoytek

Diluted Ideals,

 

Maybe the phone company should change its name and charge you twice because there a different phone company! 

Darkfall is still Darkfall it has the same name, same races, same map, same dev's....  We already purchased darkfall we should not have to purchase it again!

The map has been changed, content has been changed, dungeons have been changed, cities have been changed, race models are different, name has changed, PvP has changed dramatically, Skill system has changed dramatically, Crafting system has changed a lot. I mean the only thing they did wrong was not alter the world shape and put a 2 in the title of the game because outside of those 2 nit picks... Game is vastly different... that's both a good and bad thing unfortunately.

  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 3:48:21 PM#58

Its still darkfall,

 

    I am sorry that AV decided it had to redue its game because they were not happy with the success of there original release....  Good for them for striving to make the game better but why is it OUR FAULT (Players who purchased Darkfall already) We supported them and they repay us by making us buy the game again??? 

I dont get how you can support this, its NOT OKAY, its just plain wrong its smacking your player base in the face!

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  Badaboom

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4/25/13 3:51:02 PM#59
Originally posted by jfoytek

Its still darkfall,

 

    I am sorry that AV decided it had to redue its game because they were not happy with the success of there original release....  Good for them for striving to make the game better but why is it OUR FAULT (Players who purchased Darkfall already) We supported them and they repay us by making us buy the game again??? 

I dont get how you can support this, its NOT OKAY, its just plain wrong its smacking your player base in the face!

Sounds like you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.  Despite your opinion, Unholy Wars is a new game and it was offered to former DF1 players for the price of a subscription for a limited time offer.

 

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4/25/13 3:55:01 PM#60
Originally posted by jfoytek

Its still darkfall,

 

    I am sorry that AV decided it had to redue its game because they were not happy with the success of there original release....  Good for them for striving to make the game better but why is it OUR FAULT (Players who purchased Darkfall already) We supported them and they repay us by making us buy the game again??? 

I dont get how you can support this, its NOT OKAY, its just plain wrong its smacking your player base in the face!

No, it's not, it's DF:UW, and you need to accept that fact before the conversation can go any further.

In fact, judging from some of the changes they made and the complaining I've seen from the DF player base I'd say they have no real interest in catering to them, and in fact are going after the much larger player base of people who didn't play/enjoy DF as originally delivered.

It's $30.00 US, seriously, if you really want to play it, you'll pay the fare, it's not like they're trying to get $500.00 out of you.

(which many people are giving the CU Kickstarter with no guarentee of a game ever delivering.)

Take a chance, it's really not necessary to be so filled up with mock-outrage.

(a bunch of people died in a bldg collapse yesterday, now they've got a real reason to be pissed off over there)

"In these forums 'honest' seems to be a symonym for 'hates the game just like I do'" - ohioastro
Kyleran - Bitter Vet ™ since 2006
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