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  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 10:50:37 AM#1

Well it would seem that Aventurine does not have good business ethics....

 

Customer buys a game,  game is shut down and remade, customers wait for the new product.

New Product is released and AV says sorry this is a new game you must pay us again???  Hold the phone we bought the first version of Dark Fall?  Whats to say you wont shut this one down in another year and make us buy the third version etc... etc....

 

Simple Basic Business ethics, you give your returning customer the game for free after all he is PAYING A SUBSCRIPTION!!!

 

***I refuse to buy the new version and will not return until they figure out the mistake they are making***

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  Caldrin

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4/25/13 10:55:09 AM#2

Its a new game.. plus you had the best part of a year to pre-order it at the price of the frist months sub if you already owned Darkfall.

 

They have not made any mistakes as it is a new game.. I mean did you get a GW2 for free if you owned GW?

Did you get half lfie 2 for free if you owned half life... I better not even mention the fifa games and cod games released every year..

 

But your also maknig no mistakes by not buying it... DF was a better game than this.

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  niceguy3978

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4/25/13 10:55:14 AM#3
Originally posted by jfoytek

Well it would seem that Aventurine does not have good business ethics....

 

Customer buys a game,  game is shut down and remade, customers wait for the new product.

New Product is released and AV says sorry this is a new game you must pay us again???  Hold the phone we bought the first version of Dark Fall?  Whats to say you wont shut this one down in another year and make us buy the third version etc... etc....

 

Simple Basic Business ethics, you give your returning customer the game for free after all he is PAYING A SUBSCRIPTION!!!

 

***I refuse to buy the new version and will not return until they figure out the mistake they are making***

 I thought that if you had previously bought the game then all you had to do was pay the monthly sub.  I thought the client was free for those who had purchased the original DF.  I guess I was wrong.

  Caldrin

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4/25/13 10:57:04 AM#4
Originally posted by niceguy3978
 

 I thought that if you had previously bought the game then all you had to do was pay the monthly sub.  I thought the client was free for those who had purchased the original DF.  I guess I was wrong.

Only during pre-order.

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  Larislia

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4/25/13 10:57:17 AM#5

Uh maybe because this is a new game?

They even sent out emails multiple times advertising the free client cost to old DF1 players.. It's not like you didn't get the chance

  PAL-18

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4/25/13 11:02:02 AM#6
Originally posted by Caldrin

Its a new game.. plus you had the best part of a year to pre-order it at the price of the frist months sub if you already owned Darkfall.

 

They have not made any mistakes as it is a new game.. I mean did you get a GW2 for free if you owned GW?

Did you get half lfie 2 for free if you owned half life... I better not even mention the fifa games and cod games released every year..

 

But your also maknig no mistakes by not buying it... DF was a better game than this.

you know i can still play gw1 ,fifa1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and half life 1 etc.....

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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  udon

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4/25/13 11:04:41 AM#7
Originally posted by Larislia

Uh maybe because this is a new game?

They even sent out emails multiple times advertising the free client cost to old DF1 players.. It's not like you didn't get the chance

Yep just like FFXIV Reborn is a "new" game.  I hold nothing against this game or it's players but this practice of calling a timeout when you release a bad game and charging people to buy what is in affect the game that should have been released in the first place needs to back fire on Developers.  For the health of the industry this kind of thing needs to clearnly be seen as not a viable stratagy for companies to pursure.

  Caldrin

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4/25/13 11:06:51 AM#8
Originally posted by PAL-18
 

you know i can still play gw1 ,fifa1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and half life 1 etc.....

You wont be able to play GW1 forever it will shut down at some point.. will you then go demand your money back for GW2?

Even so the company behind GW clearly have the money to keep both games up and running.. AV are a small indie company and clearly cant afford to keep both games running.. I wish they could have as i would still be playing the origional DF..

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  Caldrin

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4/25/13 11:10:08 AM#9
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Larislia

Uh maybe because this is a new game?

They even sent out emails multiple times advertising the free client cost to old DF1 players.. It's not like you didn't get the chance

Yep just like FFXIV Reborn is a "new" game.  I hold nothing against this game or it's players but this practice of calling a timeout when you release a bad game and charging people to buy what is in affect the game that should have been released in the first place needs to back fire on Developers.  For the health of the industry this kind of thing needs to clearnly be seen as not a viable stratagy for companies to pursure.

DF:UW is not what the origional game should have been.. infact its probally as far away from the image of what they wanted darkfall to be as you can get without becoming a themepark game..

 

FFXIV reborn is not a new game, its a company fixing a massive massive horrible mess that FFXIV was.. Darkfall was a fulyl working MMORPG that was running for years. There is a big difference between the 2.

I am not sure why i am here defending AV as i think DF:UW is a shambles of a dumbed down MMORPG.

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  shibonoryu

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Joined: 5/29/10
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4/25/13 11:15:56 AM#10
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Larislia

Uh maybe because this is a new game?

They even sent out emails multiple times advertising the free client cost to old DF1 players.. It's not like you didn't get the chance

Yep just like FFXIV Reborn is a "new" game.  I hold nothing against this game or it's players but this practice of calling a timeout when you release a bad game and charging people to buy what is in affect the game that should have been released in the first place needs to back fire on Developers.  For the health of the industry this kind of thing needs to clearnly be seen as not a viable stratagy for companies to pursure.

FF XIV players who already purchased the game before ARR and had accounts won't have to buy the game again.

  Necroneus

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4/25/13 11:21:05 AM#11

Simply comparison:

Buy game - Buy car

Pay suscription - Pay fuel

When a new version of a car appears, if you want it you will buy it. What kind of problem do you have with a game that cost less? Why don't you go to show your hate against car's companies?

  jfoytek

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Joined: 6/25/12
Posts: 151

 
OP  4/25/13 11:27:29 AM#12
Originally posted by Larislia

Uh maybe because this is a new game?

They even sent out emails multiple times advertising the free client cost to old DF1 players.. It's not like you didn't get the chance

This thinking is wrong!

 

When you purchased a Copy of the Original Darkfall, you entered into an aggreement with Aventurine that they would for the best of there ability maintain a game world for you to enjoy....

 

When AV shut down the game world and launched the new one they proved that they had the means to maintain a game world but voluntarily decided to breach there end of the contract with the customer, "IE providing a game world"

So they could either give everyone a refund that purchased the original game.

Go out of Business

or

Provide all old customers free access to the new game world (The Ethically correct thing to do)

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  Caldrin

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4/25/13 11:30:27 AM#13
Originally posted by jfoytek
Originally posted by Larislia

Uh maybe because this is a new game?

They even sent out emails multiple times advertising the free client cost to old DF1 players.. It's not like you didn't get the chance

This thinking is wrong!

 

When you purchased a Copy of the Original Darkfall, you entered into an aggreement with Aventurine that they would for the best of there ability maintain a game world for you to enjoy....

 

When AV shut down the game world and launched the new one they proved that they had the means to maintain a game world but voluntarily decided to breach there end of the contract with the customer, "IE providing a game world"

So they could either give everyone a refund that purchased the original game.

Go out of Business

or

Provide all old customers free access to the new game world (The Ethically correct thing to do)

MMORPGs do not run forever..
They eventually close down.

 

They are under no obligation to give the new game away for free to people who played the old game..

They did offer a good pre-order deal that was available for the best part of a year.

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  PAL-18

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Posts: 740

4/25/13 11:31:49 AM#14
Originally posted by Necroneus

Simply comparison:

Buy game - Buy car

Pay suscription - Pay fuel

When a new version of a car appears, if you want it you will buy it. What kind of problem do you have with a game that cost less? Why don't you go to show your hate against car's companies?

Well you still have your old car and no need for new one.

 

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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  Jayaris

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Posts: 340

Hi

4/25/13 11:32:55 AM#15
A discount was offered and advertised for a long time. Your bad, in my opinion.

Hi

  Ikonis

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Joined: 10/14/11
Posts: 187

4/25/13 11:36:26 AM#16
Originally posted by Jayaris
A discount was offered and advertised for a long time. Your bad, in my opinion.

They should not have made existing customers but it again, period. It is NOT a new game despite claims to the contrary. What AV did is take the same code base and change a few things. Only suckers are buying onto the new game bs excuse.

Unethical lying company.

  PAL-18

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4/25/13 11:37:37 AM#17
Originally posted by Jayaris
A discount was offered and advertised for a long time. Your bad, in my opinion.

 

You think that its customers fault because they did not pre-order product which is still in alpha stage when its launched?

 

They offered and advertised this product long time ago ,and you dont see the problem ?

 

 

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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  jfoytek

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OP  4/25/13 11:37:46 AM#18

Everyone keeps bringing up this Discount!

 

Which mind you the only people that new about said discount were the people involved in the beta process.....

 

For those of us who didnt want to be involved with the Beta Fiasco and who waited for the release of the game we get the shaft?  Sure it was common knowledge for the 5 months of beta in which a target group (The Beta Players knew about the offer)

 

But all of that is MOOT

 

As Darkfall is Darkfall the map is the same its the same Overall game world we purchased originally and were promised!  Would be FREE....  When the new game released!!!

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  Raxeon

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4/25/13 11:39:08 AM#19
Originally posted by udon
Originally posted by Larislia

Uh maybe because this is a new game?

They even sent out emails multiple times advertising the free client cost to old DF1 players.. It's not like you didn't get the chance

Yep just like FFXIV Reborn is a "new" game.  I hold nothing against this game or it's players but this practice of calling a timeout when you release a bad game and charging people to buy what is in affect the game that should have been released in the first place needs to back fire on Developers.  For the health of the industry this kind of thing needs to clearnly be seen as not a viable stratagy for companies to pursure.

a realm reborn is a new game tho diffreant engine and everything. but everyone who bought the first ffxiv gets there free month back

  Ichmen

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4/25/13 11:42:34 AM#20

isnt DF 2.0 just a huge content patch built off DF 1.0? but was too content heavy that they viewed it as a new game while it really isnt?

i can see paying for halflife 1 then paying again for half life 2 as both are by all accounts totally different games. but from what i saw of DF 1.0 and 2.0.. they are the same :/ just ui overhaul and upgrade/tweeks O_o or did they replace the entire game core eng and mechanics?

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