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General Discussion  » Why is AFK Macroing Runestones, Food and Fossils Not Considered Cheating? - NO Bans

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  MegaD61

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4/24/13 2:34:09 PM#21
Originally posted by MMO_Fan
 

I have had the GMs log players off a few times after I reported them - while I was moving them out of the safe area.

So, this presents me with a choice: report them or go for the loot.

GO FOR THE LOOT!

Seriously though taking everything the people have gathered in the safe zone not only benifits you the active player but takes everything away from the macroer.  THAT is how this should be handled.  NOT GMS doing stupid stuff just some players that push the AFK diggers out of the save zone and take there tons of food.

  luvboox

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4/24/13 4:39:49 PM#22

I agree; if there is a way for players to police this I'm all for it.

Plus, PHAT LEWTS.

  Hairysun

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Boo ....

4/24/13 4:50:44 PM#23

It took a while but they did begin to issue bans in Darkfall for un-attended macroing.  I can only assume they will do the same here in time. 

 

~Hairysun

 

 

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  MMO_Fan

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OP  4/25/13 1:00:08 PM#24
Originally posted by luvboox

I agree; if there is a way for players to police this I'm all for it.

Plus, PHAT LEWTS.

 

I won't say how/where but depending on how/where they set up to do the afk macro, it may not be possible to move them out.

  McGamer

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"Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate leads to Suffering" -Master Yoda

4/25/13 1:04:40 PM#25

I have always believed that macroing of any kind does not belong in achieving any kind of accomplishment in gaming. The ONLY thing a macro could be good for is like in SWG using macros for guild advertising bots. 

I will always view anyone who uses macros for levels/skills as lazy and unable to play a game as intended.  If the previous statement isn't true, then don't use macros, simple.

  jezvin

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4/25/13 2:34:19 PM#26
You could before afk macro everything in this entire game, Now they removed the ability to do it except for digging. I don't think you guys could handle it if there wasn't macroing to complain about.

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  RandomDown

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4/25/13 2:47:44 PM#27
Isn't pushing them out of the safe zone temp bannable too? Didn't those HOGG guys get temp bans for interrupting peoples harvesting? I would imagine its effectively the same thing, even if the other person is doing something that is a possible ban offense as well.
  MMO_Fan

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OP  4/25/13 3:51:20 PM#28
Originally posted by RandomDown
Isn't pushing them out of the safe zone temp bannable too?

 

Yes. It is probably a much worse TOS violation becasue I am intentionally harrassing that character for an extended period of time. And I repeatedly do it.

  User Deleted
4/25/13 9:22:54 PM#29

Its a compromise.  The reason they took out skill on use, which was very fun and to me the heart of what darkfall was, is that this skill on use was botted to no end.  Once a segment of the community raced ahead of everyone by cheating it became something you had to do to compete.

It took me about two years to get to a semi competative level legit, no macros or exploiting.  People were maxed out in months with botting, macroing and exploiting.  It became so commonplace that they kind of gave up on stopping it and focused on hack users.  Even as i approached a competative skill level, i lacked presurged skills and maxed expertieses (no longer in darkfall) so it was rough and i was pretty bad at 1vs1 for it...that and i never really masterd the 3rd party hotkey macros that were needed, had to survive with a naga to macro weapon swaps..something vastly improved with the new game.

It became all too apparent that this older segment of darkfall planned to macro the hell out of the game, partially as proof they needed to remove progression from the game, and as a means to get their way..but also approached the issue as something that should be allowed because they game wasnt FPS enough with progression.

Well they won that fight sort of.  The heart and soul of darkfalls progression was all sorts of stuff being leveled just by playing.  Now its more of a prowess currency system, its different but you cant really macro it.  What is left that can be macroed will be, and AV wont do anything to stop it, prowress for all skills was their solution and its going to end there.

Knocking people out of safe zones is a time honored tradition in Darkfall that hails back to using what use to be a very complex magic system to get people out of tower range to gank them...something that made gold farmer/spammer harassment in the game beyond awesome.  Dont camp the edge of safe zones, dont afk in safe zones...you are asking for it if you do.  This is NOT a game you afk in, unless your naked with nothing on you.  This is part of the fun of darkfall, however with the safe zones its incredibly hard to actually gank an afker...again you need to be at the edge and stupid for this to happen, and if it does you deserved it....back in 1.0 a different story (but even then someone could suicide gank you in town and a friend of their loot you..not very common but could happen and did happen) 

 

 

  Renoaku

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4/26/13 12:36:59 AM#30

From what I read on the forums Macroing is fine.

Its not fine if you go away from the computer however or are not actually looking at your game screen in other words if GM says hello are you there you need to answer or risk ban.

Thats what Most games say but most people pop on netflix and do it for a couple of hours.

  MegaD61

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4/26/13 12:48:18 AM#31
Originally posted by RandomDown
Isn't pushing them out of the safe zone temp bannable too? Didn't those HOGG guys get temp bans for interrupting peoples harvesting? I would imagine its effectively the same thing, even if the other person is doing something that is a possible ban offense as well.

NO.  He did that over and over to people who were trying to play the game. Then he made videos of it and posted it on the fourms trying to act tuff. Any person at their computer could NEVER get pused out of a safe zone.  Its only when they macro unattented that it is even possible.  Im not harrasing them, they don't even try and stop me. I just stand with a couple friends next to them.  Mess up their macro and they THEMSELVES walk out of the save zone.  I don't actually push them. I just stop them from running back in forth in the same spot.  So they only go one direction.  Its not harrasment if they arn't even at their computer to complain.  

  MMO_Fan

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OP  4/26/13 7:14:09 AM#32
Originally posted by BrownAle

... with the safe zones its incredibly hard to actually gank an afker...again you need to be at the edge and stupid for this to happen...

 

The characters I see AFK macroing are not at the edge of the safe areas. They are within the walls of the starter cities and it takes some time to move them to the edges and out.

  Lahuzer

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4/27/13 3:26:32 AM#33
They should be banned. Period. I've reported several. But at most I see GMs logging them off. But I soon see them back on walking back and forth. Even having lame obvious names like "Pot Atis"... Not even hiding it...
  MegaD61

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4/27/13 5:51:35 AM#34
Originally posted by Lahuzer
They should be banned. Period. I've reported several. But at most I see GMs logging them off. But I soon see them back on walking back and forth. Even having lame obvious names like "Pot Atis"... Not even hiding it...

Why does it bother you? The reward they are gettin really isn't that much... The best thing to do is get them to walk out of safe zone and kill them.  Steal there taters.  Benifits you and they just walk back and forth at the bindstone for hours afterwards naked which makes me lol.

BTW I do NOT ever macro in DFUW.  I just like my easy to get potatoes off killing the guys that do...

  Azdul

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4/27/13 8:22:11 AM#35
Originally posted by Lahuzer
They should be banned. Period. I've reported several. But at most I see GMs logging them off. But I soon see them back on walking back and forth. Even having lame obvious names like "Pot Atis"... Not even hiding it...

AV adds new players to unholy banhammer list every day, so maybe some of them were banned for repeated safe zone AFK digging.

Also - in few weeks digging in safe zone will not be profitable. They've added potatoes to digging after people complained in beta that leveling cooking 0 - 25 is too hard. After you'll reach 25 in cooking, you don't really need so many potatoes.

  Slapshot1188

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4/27/13 8:31:20 AM#36

I've been told that many of the people listed as having been banned for "TOS" issues are for unattended macroing.  They do not instantly ban.  They issue a warning, then temp ban, then perma ban.

 

So far 33 people banned since launch.  Good start, more to come!

 

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  Lahuzer

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4/27/13 11:00:31 AM#37

I haven't seen any of those me and others have reported being banned. They are still ingame macroing away like theres no tomorrow. And we keep on reporting them. Why I bother? Cause they are cheating the game maybe? I hate cheaters personally. I don't like any1 get ahead of others while not playing the game themselves.

I also heard them breaking the "TOS" were gold sellers that spammed global chat for selling gold.

  Gadzy

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4/28/13 12:50:37 AM#38

in DF1 GMs would send players cycling through a macro a message. If they didn't receive a response, they would boot the player off.

 

 

Sometimes, anyway. And some of the macros would respond to the GM inquiries.

  DukeDu

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4/28/13 9:44:27 AM#39
You shoudl't be able to use any third part programs in the first place, this is ruinning online gaming since the 2000's, it's ridiculous to see a game released in 2013 to be ruined by this recuring issue. UNTIL WHEN we are going to see online games being ruinned by bots and macros? It's just absurd.
  MMO_Fan

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OP  5/14/13 5:55:51 PM#40
Originally posted by Lahuzer

I haven't seen any of those me and others have reported being banned. They are still ingame macroing away like theres no tomorrow. And we keep on reporting them. Why I bother? Cause they are cheating the game maybe?

 

None of the characters I have reported have shown up on the banhammer either.

Looks like some have made good progress in food, fossils and runestones:

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