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  OG_Zorvan

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4/23/13 3:42:11 PM#21
Originally posted by Reklaw

 

I really was like YAY!.........confused it with Wildstar

 

 

I really don't know why, but when coming to this article, I confused those two also. Can't explain it.

As far as Firefall, I lasted about an hour in beta. Nothing grabbed me at all.

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  Scalpless

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Joined: 3/22/07
Posts: 1310

4/23/13 3:48:34 PM#22
Firefall's major weakness right now is the lack of areas. It has decent enemy/quest variety after the last patch, but the whole thing is like one zone of GW2, but with a smaller content/m2 ratio.
  Failtrain

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Joined: 12/04/10
Posts: 130

4/23/13 5:16:48 PM#23
They keep flipping back and forth between core mechanics for the game and none of them are that good. It just became worse and extremely complicated in areas it doesn't need to be at all. I've been in beta for a long time and want to see them succeed but that isn't looking like a possible outcome.
  wormed

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Joined: 11/14/11
Posts: 385

4/23/13 5:40:30 PM#24
It'll fail. Do not waste your money on this game. Probably one of the worst managed garbage games to ever get any attention whatsoever. Terrible PvP, terrible PvE... they've got nothing worth anything. Open beta in July? Hahaha. Let this game die a miserable death, PLEASE.
  Mardukk

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Posts: 1397

4/23/13 5:52:25 PM#25
Well there is no content. Kinda difficult to expect much when they can't or won't create content. Love the look of the game but that only goes so far.
  skamper

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Posts: 253

4/23/13 6:45:28 PM#26
The game does a horrible job pushing you forward
  MindTrigger

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Posts: 2628

4/23/13 6:49:09 PM#27
Originally posted by Agoden

The game just isn't that good.. Definitely doesn't have longlevity.

Tried to love it, and i did for a week or so, but thats it.

 

I don't see this game changing enough to make it a hit worth playing over anything else, I'd rather play defiance at the moment then firefall, and defiance is average at best.

These games just don't give people a reason to stay long term at all.  Defiance will end up having the same problem.  There are games out there such as Tribes Ascend that is a non-MMO game that does this style of play much better, including some form of progression.

The trouble is, they need to have some MMORPG elements in these MMOFPS games before anyone is going to call them home.  Considering themeparks can't even keep people interested, I don't see how MMOFPS games with even less to offer are ever going to survive.

A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  FlyByKnight

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Joined: 12/31/12
Posts: 508

4/23/13 7:42:23 PM#28

Well, you guys have gone and made the fan boys cry.  Incoming.

http://forums.firefallthegame.com/community/threads/horrible-comments-why.94283/

 
  luvlist

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Joined: 3/12/13
Posts: 1

4/23/13 7:53:38 PM#29

While i agree with alot of the comments here,i have to come and say something about the game.Has it been too long in the beta form? you bet! Has it been wasteful towards resources and Time spent? Indeed.There is no content to keep you interested? True!

But does it mean the Dev doesnt care at all? no.As a matter of fact the reason they keep changing was because their motto is apparently something alone the lines of " listening to community feedbak" which is why they know that the old systems wont work and they changed it a couple more times.They are not trying to make the same old game that people play for a week and forget,theyre trying to make game that have decent followers and Solid gameplay.Are these things in the game right now? not yet.Now that the core systems are in place,they will focus everything they have to push out contents,AI,performances,UI,Balances and PvP.Will there be enough time for them to do this? im skeptic myself but if you go to their forum,you'll know that they are working hard and accepting people's opinion about the game.

And the last that im sure will get flamed on.I know people's perception of Closed and Open beta has changes in the past few years.The Dev here is kinda old school though.When they meant closed beta they meant "every shit is broken and you are our true testers!" not "we have tested this alot and now you help find the missing ones" So when people are defending the game because its in beta.Its because its in the fucking beta! Heck their open beta is pretty much the same other than more people will come in and test the server as well other than finding all the bugs.

  rommello

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Joined: 4/12/12
Posts: 204

hallo ~_~

4/23/13 7:55:50 PM#30
tried to get some1 from warframe to play this, was met with many swears as a response unfortunately

hallo ~_~

  Lazarus71

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Joined: 9/22/04
Posts: 985

I play the games I like and don't dwell on the ones I don't, complicated philosophy I know....

4/23/13 8:10:01 PM#31
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

Well, you guys have gone and made the fan boys cry.  Incoming.

http://forums.firefallthegame.com/community/threads/horrible-comments-why.94283/

 

Well read some more of the comments about MMORPG.com. Having been a member here for many years I find the opinions of people from other sites about this site a sad statement on how people view MMORPG.coms forums and it's members. Nothing to be proud of or make light of I think.

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  FlyByKnight

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4/23/13 8:26:47 PM#32

Its ironic how the CEO makes a statement of that magnititude while rounding up the acolytes to "counter" opinions but if it wasn't for MMORPG and the soft reviews I found here, I wouldn't even have remembered Firefall existed and checked it out. "MMORPG hates everything". A good game is a good game. If people like it they will play it.

How about Red5 team focus on making decisions make the game and release it and deal with the reactions good or bad? The sitting on the fence and mutual hand jobbing between devs and  their band of merry men is a waste of time and talented resources.

  Rorhc

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Joined: 10/25/09
Posts: 70

4/23/13 8:43:16 PM#33
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

Its ironic how the CEO makes a statement of that magnititude while rounding up the acolytes to "counter" opinions but if it wasn't for MMORPG and the soft reviews I found here, I wouldn't even have remembered Firefall existed and checked it out. "MMORPG hates everything". A good game is a good game. If people like it they will play it.

How about Red5 team focus on making decisions make the game and release it and deal with the reactions good or bad? The sitting on the fence and mutual hand jobbing between devs and  their band of merry men is a waste of time and talented resources.

I find it more ironic that you just made you account today to just post alot of vitriolic statements about other games.

You say a good game is a good game and yet you don't list what you consider a "good game" as a example. I play a crapton of games and looking forward to a few more that are coming out this year and I have my opinions on what I consider good and what I think is just crap.

Ones opinion is just that , an opinion.

This could end up being very interesting.

  youkai01

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Joined: 4/23/13
Posts: 1

4/23/13 9:02:25 PM#34

Lets get this out the way, Yes i am a fanboy

 

im not going to try and counter the points made here i want to simply state a few facts about this game and its development process that not many people outside of the long time beta tester are aware of, the main one being " THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL BETA"

i was lucky enough to join the firefall beta early 2012 after winning a key off the ceo on twitter, at that time there was no open world, there was no crafting there where 3 pvp maps and the servers opened for a few hours onece a week, to open up beta to outsiders at this stage is considered madness to many video games developers, but red5 chose to do it stating they want the players to help mold the game, and from what i have seen that is exactly what they have done, in the year since then they have overhauled the progression 3x, first regular lvls which the players said disincentivized people from playing the game because as u progressed to higher lvl's it slowed down far to much killing the fun, something typically seen in standard mmorpg's after this they overhauled to the "tech tree" system a system that allowed players to use exp to upgrade a path on there chosen tree to get more equipment and eventually unlock the next 1 or 2 battleframes in the class, players said that limited customizeation and made the progression exstremely horizontal, by this point crafting was in the game and pvp was taking a hit because it wasnt so much about skill as it was about who spent the most time building the best equipment for pvp,

so as of about 1 month ago firefall has been ovehauled again to where you can think of your battleframes being of a "moba" style all being diferent and haveing there role with costomizeation options in pve, where as the pvp has been split so that each battleframe has a set loadout and everyone is even, there are currently 15 frames to chose from R5 are exspected to double that in due time,

what im saying is all this was done on player feedback and the players where able to give that feedback by being allowed in to the game and desighn progress long before a standard beta (gw2 or mass effect3 for example) and long before they game was anywhere near what could be considered a complete stage,

i imagine someof you will have tried this game a while back before these changes and decided to instantly wash your hands of it, lots has changed especially the pvp,(see link)

 

skip till 1hour in

http://www.twitch.tv/r5studios/b/393442868

 

in anycase fanboy rant over, not that anyone read this far down >.<

  FlyByKnight

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Joined: 12/31/12
Posts: 508

4/23/13 9:18:21 PM#35
Originally posted by Rorhc
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

Its ironic how the CEO makes a statement of that magnititude while rounding up the acolytes to "counter" opinions but if it wasn't for MMORPG and the soft reviews I found here, I wouldn't even have remembered Firefall existed and checked it out. "MMORPG hates everything". A good game is a good game. If people like it they will play it.

How about Red5 team focus on making decisions make the game and release it and deal with the reactions good or bad? The sitting on the fence and mutual hand jobbing between devs and  their band of merry men is a waste of time and talented resources.

I find it more ironic that you just made you account today to just post alot of vitriolic statements about other games.

You say a good game is a good game and yet you don't list what you consider a "good game" as a example. I play a crapton of games and looking forward to a few more that are coming out this year and I have my opinions on what I consider good and what I think is just crap.

Ones opinion is just that , an opinion.

I didn't make an account today.  I didn't make any vitrolic statement about the game.  I posted the silly thing the CEO did as I was actually checking out the game again.  THAT'S ironic. What's worse is you guys are still making accounts to try to change peoples opinions when you've been spotted.  You're a  follower who is doing the bidding of an irresponsible indecisive CEO right now.  How can anybody view that as objective?

 

  DarkByke

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Joined: 3/19/13
Posts: 5

4/23/13 9:29:29 PM#36

You realize it's still in beta?  Half of these comments think it's a full released game and are treating it as such. Give it time to fully develop, and then do your reviews.  Better yet, come to the forums and give your suggestions as to how you can shape this game.

- signed,

a "fanboy"

  Dratikus

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Joined: 10/11/12
Posts: 1

4/23/13 9:57:46 PM#37
Haters will hate. No reason for it, they just need a target. Firefall is not "in trouble" and appears to be on schedule. I think the fact that Open Beta has been announced has a lot of other gamers scared that their favorite games will start to fail. There are many great games out there today, and Firefall is destined to take its rightful place amongst them. Firefall is a fast paced, action oriented shooter. If you play it expecting something else you may not enjoy it. Give it a chance, it truely is a great game with even greater potential.With legend Mark Kern at the helm, how could it be anything less?
  Rorhc

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Joined: 10/25/09
Posts: 70

4/23/13 10:47:03 PM#38
Originally posted by FlyByKnight
Originally posted by Rorhc
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

Its ironic how the CEO makes a statement of that magnititude while rounding up the acolytes to "counter" opinions but if it wasn't for MMORPG and the soft reviews I found here, I wouldn't even have remembered Firefall existed and checked it out. "MMORPG hates everything". A good game is a good game. If people like it they will play it.

How about Red5 team focus on making decisions make the game and release it and deal with the reactions good or bad? The sitting on the fence and mutual hand jobbing between devs and  their band of merry men is a waste of time and talented resources.

I find it more ironic that you just made you account today to just post alot of vitriolic statements about other games.

You say a good game is a good game and yet you don't list what you consider a "good game" as a example. I play a crapton of games and looking forward to a few more that are coming out this year and I have my opinions on what I consider good and what I think is just crap.

Ones opinion is just that , an opinion.

I didn't make an account today.  I didn't make any vitrolic statement about the game.  I posted the silly thing the CEO did as I was actually checking out the game again.  THAT'S ironic. What's worse is you guys are still making accounts to try to change peoples opinions when you've been spotted.  You're a  follower who is doing the bidding of an irresponsible indecisive CEO right now.  How can anybody view that as objective?

 

I had a point but ...meh.

People are going to like what they like...get over it.

This could end up being very interesting.

  Nerblas

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Joined: 11/16/06
Posts: 21

4/24/13 3:49:45 AM#39

Another fanboy here, I guess, and ready to take the bullets... Fire at will.

Been there since December. Yes I get bored sometimes. Yes I have already made some pauses to play other games... Problem is other games seem "boring" now... So keep coming back, and all in all I've mostly played Firefall since then... I help as I can, criticizing when I feel right, congratulating when I feel it's just...

So if you haven't tryed it, give it a shot... Remember its work in progress... Give constructive feedback... Make up your own mind, it's not like its gonna cost you anything (except some time).

Don't follow the regular and easy path of badmouthing everything you do not like, just for the sake of it (beware of the dark force! ;) )... That's what I find irresponsible... 

To bad that happens everywhere, and not just on gaming industry...

"Vidis Fodidis Est"

  lmollea

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Posts: 30

4/24/13 3:55:03 AM#40

I played a bit the beta, I can't but agree with all the comments here.

Too few content, too many regular overhauls, and a general feeling that the devs don't have a clear goal they want to achieve with the game. It's true that the dev listen to community feedback and they are doing probably the best community driven development out there.

I don't know if it will fail or not. As the game is currently, it's not my cup of tea.

In the end it may thrive on a small or dedicated community, but personally I don't know which are the dev goals. Global Agenda hasn't a vast community, but it's still around after how many years? 5? It even changed business model...

Who knows what will happen to FireFall?

All that I know is that I was excited when I got the beta key, but now I'm not anymore.

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