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General Discussion  » Gratz TSW on moving to the top of the "Released Game List"

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  Purutzil

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4/20/13 10:26:10 PM#21

Eh I know the ratings are a joke and all, but its nice seeing a game more deserving up at #1 at least. Bothered me seeing another game there yet hearing the issues for this game being exactly the same as that other game with its combat basically, just having less of a more 'unique' setting behind it.

 

None the less, grats i suppose, not really great to go for the whole 'score' deal but eh it does satisfy me at least this game gets some respect it deserves.

  Mystik86

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4/20/13 10:27:47 PM#22
Originally posted by Purutzil

Eh I know the ratings are a joke and all, but its nice seeing a game more deserving up at #1 at least. Bothered me seeing another game there yet hearing the issues for this game being exactly the same as that other game with its combat basically, just having less of a more 'unique' setting behind it.

 

None the less, grats i suppose, not really great to go for the whole 'score' deal but eh it does satisfy me at least this game gets some respect it deserves.

It only deserves respect for going the urban horror route. Any other reasons for it being #1 are highly invalid. The game deserves something more along the lines of #10 on a good day.

  AIMonster

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4/20/13 10:28:17 PM#23
Originally posted by Mystik86

Going to throw my two cents in here.

First off I cannot even begin to understand why or how this game is #1 for released games right now. I'll give some examples of why it shouldn't even be part of the top 5. Before I begin I will say that I beta tested, preordered, and played this game putting in several months and reaching rank 10 gear/skills before I became absolutely bored as tits and left. I'm also a huge fan of the urban horror genre and it takes a lot to make me sick of a game in that genre. 

Going to list some reasons in numbered points with explanations:

1) Character creation is just bad. As a fan of character customization and uniqueness I was sorely disappointed with TSW's character creation system. It didn't even come close to Age of Conan's which featured enough customization to, for the most part, create a unique looking character. It boggles my brain why both games run on the same engine yet TSW, the newer game, has far inferior character creation going almost as far as making WoW's chargen look better by comparison. In a battle between presets and actual sliders the presets always lose, especially for a roleplayer.

2) Combat is plain and boring and worse than button mashing. Again, it's got a dramatically downgraded combat system compared to Funcom's Age of Conan which in my opinion has the best combat system out of any MMO that isn't twitch-based. There is no skill required and sitting there hitting 1-3 abilities over and over again doing dick all damage to the mobs is quite frankly more boring than LotRO's sorry excuse for combat. This is by far the biggest fail of TSW.

3) Small zones which purposely encourage developer laziness and a poor excuse for no mounts. The zones are so small that there is no way we will ever see mounts in the game. You'd think with a slick ubran horror game with all it's touted features it'd have larger zones, even adding 10-30% more landmass to each zone would make vehicles/riding animals viable. Nope, Funcom decided against one of the biggest staples of MMOs. Some may disagree but walking and running is boring and the lack of mounts takes away an important layer of gameplay.

4) A themepark MMO wrapped in a psuedo-sandbox skin. The game mechanics were designed, in my opinion, for a much larger world with some sandbox elements yet for whatever reason (likely laziness, lack of funds, creative drive) Funcom decided to turn it into a cleverly packaged themepark. Looking at the amazing investigation missions, the only part of the game requiring skill, you'd think they'd fit better in a sandbox.

5) Informed players spoke, nobody listened. As a result the game goes B2P with paid DLC. The players who would have otherwise kept TSW from going that route left because of some of the stuff I've stated above. People would have been willing to pay a monthly sub and continue playing if we didn't have to pay for DLC or waste time with a cash shop. I'm sure 80% of TSW's original supporters would have stayed if Funcom had made the game a little more vast, a little more open and a little more sandboxy as well.

My biggest gripes with TSW are points 1 to 4. 5 isn't so bad, but I will likely never play the game again or pay for DLC. A game with these flaws doesn't deserve to be #1 nor a top 5 candidate. Out of the total amount of MMOs on the market today I'd say TSW should fall between the #10-#20 range. Pretty graphics and a decent fully-voiced storyline do not compensate for the failures I've listed. Sorry fanboys. Sorry Funcom. You fail.

While I actually agree with some of your negatives (I don't agree with #3 and #4), I don't think it's fair to ignore all the positives of the game.  There is quite a lot of positives in TSW.  Funcom didn't fail at all.  You yourself even said "amazing investigation missions" so obviously you got some enjoyment out of those.  They could have done better in a lot of areas, but I see no reason why it doesn't deserve to be in the top 5 if not the top.  I had fun the month of I played, and even though I didn't enjoy the combat and endgame content I certainly felt I got my money's worth on the investigation missions alone.

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  DeaconX

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4/20/13 10:29:52 PM#24
Definitely worth playing. A great effort from Funcom and I really hope it keeps improving.


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  Mystik86

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4/20/13 10:37:37 PM#25
Originally posted by AIMonster
Originally posted by Mystik86

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While I actually agree with some of your negatives (I don't agree with #3 and #4), I don't think it's fair to ignore all the positives of the game.  There is quite a lot of positives in TSW.  Funcom didn't fail at all.  You yourself even said "amazing investigation missions" so obviously you got some enjoyment out of those.  They could have done better in a lot of areas, but I see no reason why it doesn't deserve to be in the top 5 if not the top.  I had fun the month of I played, and even though I didn't enjoy the combat and endgame content I certainly felt I got my money's worth on the investigation missions alone.

You're right. I didn't list the positives, except the investigation missions. They are one of few reasons the game MAY deserve a top spot. I also admit the overall feel of the game, minus my issues, is pretty nice. The zones alone are breathtaking in my opinion but wasted. The combat could have been so much better, that would have really made it better for me. I may even be able to deal with the poor character creation if the combat was at least on par with AoC, or twitch-based (as it should have been)...

  Pivotelite

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4/20/13 10:43:01 PM#26

Nice to see a deserving game take #1, GW2 is so bland, I bet if they erased the score and asked everyone to vote again at this point in time it would sit somewhere around 6.5-7.

 

Most people vote within the first few days, it wasn't until 2-3 weeks into GW2 you realized it's a hollow shell of a game with no progression, it's beyond casual, terrible PvP systems and a story that would only appeal to someone between the ages of 5 and 12.

  Skooma2

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4/20/13 10:44:39 PM#27
As of 2343 EST it was TSW by .2       It's a quality game and deserves more recognition than it gets.

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  tank017

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4/20/13 10:47:06 PM#28

Deservedly so..

 

TSW is so unique,even though its a themepark,it still stands out from the rest.

 

great game.

  User Deleted
4/20/13 10:51:28 PM#29
Is combat still mind-numbling slow and redundant?  I really loved everything about the game except for the combat, which is kind of a crucial thing to get right.
  Eir_S

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4/20/13 10:52:09 PM#30

I don't even know where this list is. lol  Either way, I didn't care for TSW, but it's nice to know fans have people to play with.

Oops, never mind.  I found it.  I never even realized that tab was there..

  Sephiroso

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4/20/13 11:19:50 PM#31

Yea! Congrats to TSW for being on top of the Released Game List on a website that has clearly shown evidence of people abusing said system and pushing or dropping games up and down said list according to their wishes.


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  duggyfr3sh123

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4/20/13 11:21:28 PM#32

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=69557

 

poor consolation prize, a day late and a ton of dollars short.

  DeaconX

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4/20/13 11:25:37 PM#33
Originally posted by Sephiroso

Yea! Congrats to TSW for being on top of the Released Game List on a website that has clearly shown evidence of people abusing said system and pushing or dropping games up and down said list according to their wishes.

Isn't that EXACTLY what a polling of opinions is supposed to do?

 

Of course, that doesn't mean people won't just vote a '1' for a game that clearly deserves much better in a fair world in order to pump up another game they like... but hey, the world is not a fair place.


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  DeaconX

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4/20/13 11:29:26 PM#34
Originally posted by asmkm22
Is combat still mind-numbling slow and redundant?  I really loved everything about the game except for the combat, which is kind of a crucial thing to get right.

Gotta agree - if combat were more 'fun' for me, I would've kept playing much longer. It has great narrative and quest design... the combat is what hurt it for me.


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  DeaconX

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4/20/13 11:30:41 PM#35
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by DeaconX
Originally posted by Sephiroso

Yea! Congrats to TSW for being on top of the Released Game List on a website that has clearly shown evidence of people abusing said system and pushing or dropping games up and down said list according to their wishes.

Isn't that EXACTLY what a polling of opinions is supposed to do?

 

Of course, that doesn't mean people won't just vote a '1' for a game that clearly deserves much better in a fair world in order to pump up another game they like... but hey, the world is not a fair place.

yea, if each individual vote was made by 1 person only. in reality, you have 1 person using either a bot with a shit ton of throwaway accounts or some other exploit i dont know about to fuck with the ratings.

See, I can't verify the validity of that claim... but if it is true... damn some people have way too much time and are pretty damn petty/sorry and pathetic to invest so much time and energy in doing such a thing.


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  Sephiroso

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4/20/13 11:34:14 PM#36
Originally posted by DeaconX
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by DeaconX
Originally posted by Sephiroso

Yea! Congrats to TSW for being on top of the Released Game List on a website that has clearly shown evidence of people abusing said system and pushing or dropping games up and down said list according to their wishes.

Isn't that EXACTLY what a polling of opinions is supposed to do?

 

Of course, that doesn't mean people won't just vote a '1' for a game that clearly deserves much better in a fair world in order to pump up another game they like... but hey, the world is not a fair place.

yea, if each individual vote was made by 1 person only. in reality, you have 1 person using either a bot with a shit ton of throwaway accounts or some other exploit i dont know about to fuck with the ratings.

See, I can't verify the validity of that claim... but if it is true... damn some people have way too much time and are pretty damn petty/sorry and pathetic to invest so much time and energy in doing such a thing.

i'm not gonna lie, i can't verify the validity of my claim either, but its a rather well known fact around here though. i'm not saying every top game is up because of said bots because honestly it works both ways and sometimes balances out, but it does happen sometime when you'll see a game in particular just bounce up and down large value differences in the matter of minutes.


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  User Deleted
4/20/13 11:36:17 PM#37

Has more to do with people deliberately downvoting GW2 than anything TSW has done recently.

 

  User Deleted
4/20/13 11:38:43 PM#38
Originally posted by DeaconX
Originally posted by Sephiroso

Yea! Congrats to TSW for being on top of the Released Game List on a website that has clearly shown evidence of people abusing said system and pushing or dropping games up and down said list according to their wishes.

Isn't that EXACTLY what a polling of opinions is supposed to do?

 

Of course, that doesn't mean people won't just vote a '1' for a game that clearly deserves much better in a fair world in order to pump up another game they like... but hey, the world is not a fair place.

 If they were balanced opinions, sure. But anyone voting a 1 for GW2, WoW or SWTOR is obviously just a troll, even if you dont personally like the game, its obvious that they are above average in quality.

  Eir_S

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4/20/13 11:43:44 PM#39
Originally posted by evilastro

Has more to do with people deliberately downvoting GW2 than anything TSW has done recently.

Why do the actual reviews list them as having the same player scores still (8.6)?  Is this list supposed to have different ratings?  I don't get this site sometimes.

  shadow9d9

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4/21/13 12:24:10 AM#40
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by DeaconX
Originally posted by Sephiroso

Yea! Congrats to TSW for being on top of the Released Game List on a website that has clearly shown evidence of people abusing said system and pushing or dropping games up and down said list according to their wishes.

Isn't that EXACTLY what a polling of opinions is supposed to do?

 

Of course, that doesn't mean people won't just vote a '1' for a game that clearly deserves much better in a fair world in order to pump up another game they like... but hey, the world is not a fair place.

 If they were balanced opinions, sure. But anyone voting a 1 for GW2, WoW or SWTOR is obviously just a troll, even if you dont personally like the game, its obvious that they are above average in quality.

They aren't 1s, but they are also certainly not "above average" in quality...

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