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  Vyeth

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4/21/13 6:02:12 AM#101
Originally posted by Boneserino
I would suggest watching the Angry Joe review.  I think he gives it a fair score when he says 5 out of ten but the possibility of improving.   And he definitely agrees that the gunplay is fun.

+1

Agreed..

  remyburke

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4/21/13 6:03:03 AM#102
Ya i'm not sure why either. It's actually a fun game.

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  halflife25

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4/21/13 6:04:00 AM#103
Originally posted by Eir_S

Today I learned that weapons (and skills) disappearing is not a game breaking issue, even if you can't get them back.  The more you know........!

Someone let me know when that issue is sorted, I know it's a B2P game but I don't feel like wasting my time just to have the boogey man loot my inventory.

Tonight serveres went down (or crashed...12 hours now) and players reported their 200 to 300 ego skills reset, pursuits rest, skill progression lost etc. And now we don't know how much our progressions will be effected once servers are back up.

Honestly, this game is a mess and no where to quality you expect from Trion. Skill resets and rollback is becoming a very common thing lately. So if people are angry or hating the game it is justified. I am all for launch troubles but losing progression every second week is a bit too much.

So like others suggested, do not buy this game yet. I am already regretting my purchase which i made solely on basis of respect for Trion and being a huge fan of Rift.

  JeroKane

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4/21/13 6:08:24 AM#104
Originally posted by fallenlords
Originally posted by JeroKane

 People resort to these kind of tactics, when they can't win the argument.

Didn't think we were having an argument thought we were having a discussion.  As mentioned to bigdaddy what's his name, if people have managed to put up with the sub standard quality of TSW I find it hard to believe they are bitching about Defiance.  Especially considering the scope of Defiance, compared to a single platform MMO.  As mentioned to Isturi there seems to be a common denominator in a lot the people giving the game grief.  But you can make connections with things that aren't there.   Like for example I doubt you have ever played TSW and feel the need to come here and bitch about Defiance in a bit of reciprocal tit for tat.  Sometimes I see things that don't exist.  It's the fault of having an overactive imagination.

 Oh please. You didn't like TSW. We get it and that is no big deal.

TSW launch was actually a very smooth launch, especially for Funcom standards.

The game itself was very polished with little issues. Sure it had some exploits that needed to be cracked down and the banhammer swung left and right.

DEFIANCE is a disgrace, especially since TRION delivered such a highly polished product before (RIFT).

I can't remember TSW having a complete disfunctional chat system at launch.

I can't remember TSW having you lose items out of your inventory left and right.

I can't remember TSW having you lose progress and skill points at random.

And then we are not even talking about all the hacks that are currently going rampant in this game, with people running damage hacks and one shotting world bosses in major Arkfalls for example. lol. /facepalm

Currently the DEFIANCE servers are down again for 9 hours and counting.

 

  Wickedjelly

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4/21/13 6:13:32 AM#105
Originally posted by JeroKane

DEFIANCE is a disgrace, especially since TRION delivered such a highly polished product before (RIFT).

I can't remember TSW having a complete disfunctional chat system at launch.

I can't remember TSW having you lose items out of your inventory left and right.

I can't remember TSW having you lose progress and skill points at random.

Currently the DEFIANCE servers are down again for 9 hours and counting.

 

I'm a bit surprised really. Pretty indifferent to this game but if someone told me they would be having these issues I would have laughed them out of the room considering how good of a job Trion did with Rift's launch and polished things were.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  halflife25

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4/21/13 6:28:36 AM#106
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by JeroKane

DEFIANCE is a disgrace, especially since TRION delivered such a highly polished product before (RIFT).

I can't remember TSW having a complete disfunctional chat system at launch.

I can't remember TSW having you lose items out of your inventory left and right.

I can't remember TSW having you lose progress and skill points at random.

Currently the DEFIANCE servers are down again for 9 hours and counting.

 

I'm a bit surprised really. Pretty indifferent to this game but if someone told me they would be having these issues I would have laughed them out of the room considering how good of a job Trion did with Rift's launch and polished things were.

That is how i got fooled to. Their data base got corrupted again and servers are down for 12+ hours (pc). players lost ego skills, progression, weapon skills etc. And now we are just fearing the worst once servers come back up. Every second week losing progression is not fun. This is turning out to be one of the worst launches i have experinced in long time.

  kaiser3282

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4/21/13 7:27:51 AM#107
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by JeroKane

DEFIANCE is a disgrace, especially since TRION delivered such a highly polished product before (RIFT).

I can't remember TSW having a complete disfunctional chat system at launch.

I can't remember TSW having you lose items out of your inventory left and right.

I can't remember TSW having you lose progress and skill points at random.

Currently the DEFIANCE servers are down again for 9 hours and counting.

 

I'm a bit surprised really. Pretty indifferent to this game but if someone told me they would be having these issues I would have laughed them out of the room considering how good of a job Trion did with Rift's launch and polished things were.

That is how i got fooled to. Their data base got corrupted again and servers are down for 12+ hours (pc). players lost ego skills, progression, weapon skills etc. And now we are just fearing the worst once servers come back up. Every second week losing progression is not fun. This is turning out to be one of the worst launches i have experinced in long time.

Exaggerate much? It was down for a total of just over 9 hours, not 12+, 7:30 Pacific to a little past 4:30. And what every second week losing progression? Its only been 3 weeks, and this is the 1st time that there has been any significant loss of progression.... which was also why they brought the server down in the first place, to fix it. People didnt just lose, some gained and were boosted several hundred EGOs. I just logged back in now after server came back up and I havent lost a thing from the last time I was on, about 3 hours before it went down.

  halflife25

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4/21/13 8:02:15 AM#108
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by JeroKane

DEFIANCE is a disgrace, especially since TRION delivered such a highly polished product before (RIFT).

I can't remember TSW having a complete disfunctional chat system at launch.

I can't remember TSW having you lose items out of your inventory left and right.

I can't remember TSW having you lose progress and skill points at random.

Currently the DEFIANCE servers are down again for 9 hours and counting.

 

I'm a bit surprised really. Pretty indifferent to this game but if someone told me they would be having these issues I would have laughed them out of the room considering how good of a job Trion did with Rift's launch and polished things were.

That is how i got fooled to. Their data base got corrupted again and servers are down for 12+ hours (pc). players lost ego skills, progression, weapon skills etc. And now we are just fearing the worst once servers come back up. Every second week losing progression is not fun. This is turning out to be one of the worst launches i have experinced in long time.

Exaggerate much? It was down for a total of just over 9 hours, not 12+, 7:30 Pacific to a little past 4:30. And what every second week losing progression? Its only been 3 weeks, and this is the 1st time that there has been any significant loss of progression.... which was also why they brought the server down in the first place, to fix it. People didnt just lose, some gained and were boosted several hundred EGOs. I just logged back in now after server came back up and I havent lost a thing from the last time I was on, about 3 hours before it went down.

Look another, it didn't happen to me so it didn't happen to anyone else..... I guessed you missed the posts where people have been talking about losing weapons and skill resets and pursuits reset for almost 3 weeks now?

 

  Lazarus71

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4/21/13 9:01:02 AM#109
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Eir_S

Today I learned that weapons (and skills) disappearing is not a game breaking issue, even if you can't get them back.  The more you know........!

Someone let me know when that issue is sorted, I know it's a B2P game but I don't feel like wasting my time just to have the boogey man loot my inventory.

Tonight serveres went down (or crashed...12 hours now) and players reported their 200 to 300 ego skills reset, pursuits rest, skill progression lost etc. And now we don't know how much our progressions will be effected once servers are back up.

Honestly, this game is a mess and no where to quality you expect from Trion. Skill resets and rollback is becoming a very common thing lately. So if people are angry or hating the game it is justified. I am all for launch troubles but losing progression every second week is a bit too much.

So like others suggested, do not buy this game yet. I am already regretting my purchase which i made solely on basis of respect for Trion and being a huge fan of Rift.

Yeah I love the game but I'm pretty pissed right now. I lost about 2+ hours of gameplay from last night. I am about 3 main missions back now and 5-6 side missions a bunch of arkfalls and quite a bit of EGO. Also missing some nice weapons I had picked up. I for one will not be playing again untill these problems have been taken care of.

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  Rthuth434

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4/21/13 9:03:13 AM#110
@ JeroKane: TSW's chat was pretty messed up and sometimes still on the fritz, but that was just dropping chat channels when zoning, Defiance is wayyyyy worse.
  kaiser3282

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4/21/13 10:18:19 AM#111
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by JeroKane

DEFIANCE is a disgrace, especially since TRION delivered such a highly polished product before (RIFT).

I can't remember TSW having a complete disfunctional chat system at launch.

I can't remember TSW having you lose items out of your inventory left and right.

I can't remember TSW having you lose progress and skill points at random.

Currently the DEFIANCE servers are down again for 9 hours and counting.

 

I'm a bit surprised really. Pretty indifferent to this game but if someone told me they would be having these issues I would have laughed them out of the room considering how good of a job Trion did with Rift's launch and polished things were.

That is how i got fooled to. Their data base got corrupted again and servers are down for 12+ hours (pc). players lost ego skills, progression, weapon skills etc. And now we are just fearing the worst once servers come back up. Every second week losing progression is not fun. This is turning out to be one of the worst launches i have experinced in long time.

Exaggerate much? It was down for a total of just over 9 hours, not 12+, 7:30 Pacific to a little past 4:30. And what every second week losing progression? Its only been 3 weeks, and this is the 1st time that there has been any significant loss of progression.... which was also why they brought the server down in the first place, to fix it. People didnt just lose, some gained and were boosted several hundred EGOs. I just logged back in now after server came back up and I havent lost a thing from the last time I was on, about 3 hours before it went down.

Look another, it didn't happen to me so it didn't happen to anyone else..... I guessed you missed the posts where people have been talking about losing weapons and skill resets and pursuits reset for almost 3 weeks now?

 

Look another person who cant even tell the difference between 1 topic and another. Youre complaining about the rollback from the server issues last night. Then you claim Im wrong by bringing up other known bugs which they have been working on and have nothing to do with the previously mentioned rollback which you brought up. 2 completely different subjects.

  halflife25

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4/21/13 11:20:59 AM#112
Originally posted by kaiser3282
 

Look another person who cant even tell the difference between 1 topic and another. Youre complaining about the rollback from the server issues last night. Then you claim Im wrong by bringing up other known bugs which they have been working on and have nothing to do with the previously mentioned rollback which you brought up. 2 completely different subjects.

Huh? read again..i am talking about this rollback as well loss of progression during last 3 weeks too. I was giving him the rundown of the mess that this game has become in this 2 weeks time.

Before the latest patch players were already reporting resetting of vehicles progression back to zero, losing their gold and silver medals and pursuit progression, loss of rare weapons and it was assured that in new patch all this will be fixed. After new patch on top of all the previous problems people started losing weapon progression too and now after tonights down time people have yet again lost progression and  rare weapons. So this problem isn't confined to just what happened today.

I am not some hater here. I have 2700 EGO rating. You don't go that far if you are not enjoying the game. I am fine with server down times and crashes but getting hit by loss of progression 2 to 3 times with no compensation for it is a bit too much.

You can check my post history, i seldom post here and this is exactly the reason why. You can not make one post without some angry fan jumping your bones.

  User Deleted
4/21/13 11:32:05 AM#113
Originally posted by Rthuth434
@ JeroKane: TSW's chat was pretty messed up and sometimes still on the fritz, but that was just dropping chat channels when zoning, Defiance is wayyyyy worse.

TSW chat was screwed up for about 2 months.  The game is a GREAT deal to play through the content.  But it had its issues.  It still does.

  furbans

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4/21/13 11:52:29 AM#114
Originally posted by Isturi

If we were to find out the real truth of the matter is that companies pay people to come on these threads just to create negative threads as to keep people on the fence away from the game. Usually rival gaming companies.

The reason why Defiance is because it is a first in the entertainment world with a TV and a MMO combine. Other game companies are losing money, so they see Trion and Sy Fy as a threat they low blow the game bottom line.

Defiance is not going any ware and actually I am kind of glade that these people are scared of Defiance because it just goes to prove that Trion and Sy Fy know that they have prob one of the best entertainment experiences for our dollar that is a B2P game and free very well put Sci Fi show that ties in with the game.

TYVM Trion Wolds and TYVM Sy Fy channel.

I mean who in their right mind will want to spind their day otherwise to come here and just put down Defiance day end and Day out? I would imagine that people would have better things to do with their life. LOL

How's that tinfoil hat treating ya?  And really everyone that comes to MMORPG.com is to put down games, called forum PvP. 

 

  JeroKane

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4/21/13 2:36:22 PM#115
Originally posted by jdnyc
Originally posted by Rthuth434
@ JeroKane: TSW's chat was pretty messed up and sometimes still on the fritz, but that was just dropping chat channels when zoning, Defiance is wayyyyy worse.

TSW chat was screwed up for about 2 months.  The game is a GREAT deal to play through the content.  But it had its issues.  It still does.

 What do you mean messed up for 2 months? All it was that you lost connection to the chat server now and then when zoning, but reconnect pretty much seconds later.

At least in TSW I could talk to people, form groups, chat away and run dungeons and mission groups with others. You know.... socialize with others in a MMO!

In Defiance NO ONE talks! Period! Not even in CO-OP maps! Simply because the chat system doesn't work!

It took them two weeks to fix the private message system.... well somewhat.... as it's still hit and miss.

3 weeks later and we are still without a properly working chat system. Everyone just runs around like a headless chicken. No teamplay... no groups.... nada!  It's a joke. Especially for a MMO! /shrug

The only interaction you have in DEFIANCE currently is with NPC's. lol!

  fallenlords

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4/21/13 4:07:47 PM#116
Originally posted by JeroKane

 Oh please. You didn't like TSW. We get it and that is no big deal.

TSW launch was actually a very smooth launch, especially for Funcom standards.

The game itself was very polished with little issues. Sure it had some exploits that needed to be cracked down and the banhammer swung left and right.

DEFIANCE is a disgrace, especially since TRION delivered such a highly polished product before (RIFT).

I can't remember TSW having a complete disfunctional chat system at launch.

I can't remember TSW having you lose items out of your inventory left and right.

I can't remember TSW having you lose progress and skill points at random.

And then we are not even talking about all the hacks that are currently going rampant in this game, with people running damage hacks and one shotting world bosses in major Arkfalls for example. lol. /facepalm

Currently the DEFIANCE servers are down again for 9 hours and counting.

 

The TSW launch was good by Funcom standards, but then those standards were pretty low to begin with so I don't it's anything to crow about.  You can't really get worse than releasing a non working game - AOC Rise of the Godslayer memory errors, crashing on changing zone for everybody on release.  As for TSW what is the main complaint about the game?  Crap combat animations, Funcom released an unfinished game by all accounts. I seem to recall chat not working or group finding.   Not to mention the debacle trying to sell it as a sub based model.  Their launch was a screw up right from the start and the Ex CEO seeing the poor pre-order numbers tried to quickly sell off his shares, because he knew things were going down the pan.   Funcom then tried to blame Metacritic for poor sales because of their score. So not only are you dealing with a sub-standard developer you are dealing with a business with no morals. 

 

As for Defiance, mileage obviously varies depending on platform.  Xbox (UK) server up and running, voice chat works, text chat works, no hacks that I have noticed.  If things like hacking and exploits bother you then consider a different platform - one of the reasons I moved to console.  It's not so easy to use things like bots. Again Defiance released on three platforms, TSW was on one and still a screw up.  No comparison really at all, either with games or the developers.

 

 

  Yamota

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4/21/13 4:11:55 PM#117
Maybe the "hate" is because people are tired to see ThemePark after ThemePark released? They say this game is original but it seems to be just another ThemePark to me and frankly I cant bother to "hate" it; just stopped caring about these Mickey Mouse MMOs.

  fallenlords

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4/21/13 4:29:52 PM#118
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

He is under the impression that people play only one MMO at a time and should form some kind of allegiance or join camps of whatever MMO they are attached to.

No I am under the impression that a lot of people who have had a game they like trashed, decide to get a bit of return justice by trashing an opposing game with petty arguments.  Hence the reason I look for a common connection.  That's were I was scratching the surface, do you have legitimate complaints with the game or is this a bit of reciprocal bashing?

 

To my mind Defiance isn't a game I would get wound up about, even if the server was down.  Haven't waited ages for release, haven't been promised things and not delivered.  Not part of an existing franchise.  You have some innovation with the TV series connection.  But overall it's a shooter MMO, the depth of that is going to be shallow.   On top of which they are supporting three platforms which is going to massively impact on the speed of resolution for things.  I just don't see anything to get worked up about.  Even missing inventory items or skills being reset, impact is marginal compared to most MMO's. 

 

But if I was deliberately picking fault with Defiance, then yes I would make out inventory items missing is a big whoop and skills being reset.   I certainly wouldn't give them credit for their scope or cut them any slack whatsoever with a three platform release, if I was deliberately picking fault.

  Aerowyn

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4/21/13 4:31:49 PM#119
Originally posted by Yamota
Maybe the "hate" is because people are tired to see ThemePark after ThemePark released? They say this game is original but it seems to be just another ThemePark to me and frankly I cant bother to "hate" it; just stopped caring about these Mickey Mouse MMOs.

while i do enjoy those Micky Mouse MMOs as you call them I sort of do agree.. very few try to step outside the norm and at the end of the day they are all a bit to similar

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  Shauneepeak

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4/21/13 4:41:06 PM#120

Have not got around to buying the game yet.(Broke college student) From my Alpha impressions I would easilly give the game a 6-7 out of 10 with plenty of room to grow.

I feel that many people see any score below 7.5 nowadays as bad I know I'm quilty of it fairly often and this does reign true for many non MMOs. But an MMO that gets a 6 or 7 at launch should not be considered bad right away especially seeing as MMOs are geared for expansion and that they are normally launched with room for improvement which from what I have seen Trion is definetly doing.

I will almost certainly pick this up at some point maybe grab the PS3 version for cheap at Gamestop or something.

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