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  nariusseldon

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4/17/13 11:49:32 AM#21
There is no "best" IP. It is not all about IPs. Design, implementaiton, polish can make or break a game.
  Yyrkoon_PoM

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4/17/13 11:59:40 AM#22

I am going to go out on a limb and say Dr. Who would make a very interesting setting for a MMO.

  GreenHell

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4/17/13 12:03:25 PM#23
Originally posted by nariusseldon
There is no "best" IP. It is not all about IPs. Design, implementaiton, polish can make or break a game.

This. I think the MMOs based on the SW IP prove you to be correct.

  Arclan

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4/17/13 12:26:41 PM#24


Originally posted by RelGn
The ip im talking about Is MaGic The Gathering

You heard it right.

The MTG universe is the most rich universe yet and the art is the best ive seen in any game yet.

If it ever becomes an mmo and implemented right with great gameplay as well it can become the best game ever created.

Ps:I really like the mature art they are using in their cards.

Wish those gorgeous pieces of art become alive


I think you are onto something. It has a huge built-in fanbase, just like Warcraft did. Done right, a MTG MMO could approach WoW's success. I can't imagine any other IP with this potential.

Although, I don't know if MTG is as hot as it was ten years ago.

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  Roguewiz

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4/17/13 12:28:41 PM#25

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  Thorkune

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4/17/13 12:31:54 PM#26
I am wanting to see an Underworld MMO.
  Roguewiz

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4/17/13 12:33:53 PM#27

I have to take a shot on Underworld.  I can't resist!

An MMO is being made!  It's called World of Darkness Online

:P

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  Thorkune

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4/17/13 12:35:30 PM#28
Originally posted by Roguewiz

I have to take a shot on Underworld.  I can't resist!

An MMO is being made!  It's called World of Darkness Online

:P

I am excited for WoD too, but I am a big Underworld fan and would love to take part in the world of Lykens vs. Death Dealers.

  Roguewiz

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4/17/13 12:37:01 PM#29
Originally posted by Thorkune
Originally posted by Roguewiz

I have to take a shot on Underworld.  I can't resist!

An MMO is being made!  It's called World of Darkness Online

:P

I am excited for WoD too, but I am a big Underworld fan and would love to take part in the world of Lykens vs. Death Dealers.

Hense my shot at Underworld.  They got a lot of their material from Whitewolf (WOD)

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  Thorkune

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4/17/13 12:37:49 PM#30
Originally posted by Roguewiz
Originally posted by Thorkune
Originally posted by Roguewiz

I have to take a shot on Underworld.  I can't resist!

An MMO is being made!  It's called World of Darkness Online

:P

I am excited for WoD too, but I am a big Underworld fan and would love to take part in the world of Lykens vs. Death Dealers.

Hense my shot at Underworld.  They got a lot of their material from Whitewolf (WOD)

Aaaah...gotcha. I didn't know that.

  NL-Rikkert

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4/17/13 12:45:57 PM#31

Just accept it, that is your opinion...

 

In my opinion MMO's have been going downhill for well over a decade.

Also in my opinion, SP IPs that have made a name for themselves should hardly ever get a MP, let alone a fully fledged MMO.

Not that I wouldn't enjoy a MP/MMO version of some  great titles, but with the lazy ass cash in additudes, insane overhyping and straight out lies and failed promises we get these days from MMO devs, I'd pass on any and all of them. 

To me they lay waste to great IPs and what they stand for.

 

BTW, Magic is brilliant, let's not ruin it  by turning it in to yet another generic MMO >.<

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  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

4/17/13 12:48:10 PM#32

Well i agree it is a great idea and would make a great MMORPG,the devs that have run it are horrible.

First we had hasbro that right there spells GREED and Doom.Then company that runs it and licenses the product "WOTC" is a totally amateur operation.They had some other company code it and basically set  it up for them,then  when they thought they were ok,they let them go.What happened from their on was CHAOS 101,could write a novel on the butcher job full of bugs.

OK so no brainer i leave that game,it is going no where,just a greedy money game that showed no care to improve the design.

So along comes SOE,it gave me great hope.../sigh.once again SOE's GREED comes forth,all they do is some nice graphics [YES] however the whole design is to get everything voer with quick so they can run it cheap and get as many tournament games in as littel time as possible.

If they actually put in the effort to turn it into a full mapped MMORPG and/or allow users to make maps,adsd in some crafting,some more OBJECTS and they would have had a ridiculously great game.However they opt for a very cheap design and bank on constantly selling cardfs.A Subscription fee would have been a MUCH better idea for this newish attempt at a MTG game.

Too bad a better developer never got a hold of this,but i really don't know,maybee it was a WOTC idea and SOE just did for them?The only developer i woudl want to do this game justice and turn it int oa full feldge mmorgp is Square Enix.

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  Axehilt

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4/17/13 2:39:46 PM#33
Originally posted by Dihoru
The best IP to use in an MMO is an original IP. Period.

Exactly.

  Eir_S

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4/17/13 2:43:56 PM#34
Sounds good for the reasons you stated, but here's the thing... that gorgeous art might not translate well into a game.  Sure the basic designs will follow the designs of the trading card game, but if the game artists aren't as good as the card artists, you'll just get another game with bad character models.  We've got enough of those already.
  RandomDown

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4/17/13 2:46:59 PM#35
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Sagasaint

WAR 40K is probably the best IP in the world to make a MMO

 

the problem is that to make it just right , it would take...ummmm....

 

- $300m to $400m

- a company as large as Blizzard, and still they would have to outsource work

- 6 to 9 years of hard work

- using super server technology that allowed thousands upon thousands of players playing simultaneously

 

and if someone tried to cheap on it, cut corners everywhere, reduce content to make it more business-manageable and make an average WoW-like MMO with it like Dark Millenium was shaping up to be, it would flop

 

 


so there it is, the best possible IP you could ever have, but it will NEVER come to fruition because the risks are unsurmountable, the amount of work and money to fund it are beyond insane, the technology required to make it good still doesnt exists, and there's no way it would work without all of the above.

Warhammer 40.000 is too big and too vast in scale to reproduce within an MMO to any great detail without a decade's worth of work...for christ sake you've got several imperial guard regiments alone to model before you even consider everything else (Catachan, Vostroyan, Death Korps, Cadian to name just some of the more famous and unconventional ones), the most famous Space Marine Chapters number in the dozens (Black Templars, Blood Ravens, Blood Angels, Space Sm....Ultramarines, Iron Hands, Grey Knights,etc), Chaos Space Marines also have a dozen Legions not counting recent defector chapters, warbands, etc, then you get to the Eldar,the Orks, the Tau, the new version of the Necrons, the Dark Eldar,  The Legion of the Damned, The Adeptus Sororitas, etc. Then you get to the scale of things... even if you limit your game to one solar system (a la Soulstorm) you have ground combat, aerial combat, orbital combat, interplanetary combat, combat on orbitals, ship boarding actions. And when this is all done and good you have one major issue: A space marine player will be the strongest, most well equiped of the non-demonic/chaos aligned humanoids with powah armoured nobs and tau battlesuits coming in right behind them, how the blood hell do you balance that with a guardsman or hell lets be generous and say stormtrooper ? you basically have a rapid fire laser cigar lighter vs RPG machineguns or plasma chain guns.

 

Warhammer 40k no matter how much I love it would never be a good MMO without ruining what makes Warhammer 40k special.

Well in regards to the Space Marine chapeters they'd put in, I imagine at first they would largely concentrate on Ultramarines and Dark Angels as those are generally the two favorites of GW. Or it could just be a cosmetic dye sort of situation, pick a chapter and that character  has various pattern options available. Unless of course you're referring to actual equipment options.

Could always make the IG people a pet class. Sort of like what they did in Retribution. More of an entourage thing, although that would kind of end up like Thaums and what not from DAoC and ew.

  shingoukieh

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4/17/13 5:21:33 PM#36

the op just described a great mmorpg....

yeah any mmorpg would be great if it had alot content, played great,  and had good graphics with customizations...

i just want a mmorpg set like in the year 3000 or something...no post apocalyse crap...just like a super modern fantasy mmorpg..with content graphics and customization tired of those medieval

  Icewhite

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4/17/13 6:04:12 PM#37
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by Dihoru
The best IP to use in an MMO is an original IP. Period.

Exactly.

Well, at the very least it's one thing less that players can bitch about.

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  observer

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4/17/13 7:14:26 PM#38
The Game of Thrones IP would be better.  It already has the lore, the world, the setting, various factions, and most importantly the entire series is about PvP. :)
  LogicLester

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4/17/13 7:14:58 PM#39
Originally posted by Dihoru
The best IP to use in an MMO is an original IP. Period.

 

The biggest MMO disagrees with you.  Warcraft existed long before WoW, and it owes nearly all of its design to Warhammer/Tolkien.

 

It's been proven pretty well that just licensing a great IP for an MMO doesn't work.  I think the key is for the designers of the MMO to both own the IP AND have done a good deal of background in creating for that IP before starting on an MMO.

  waynejr2

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4/17/13 7:15:45 PM#40
Originally posted by Dihoru
The best IP to use in an MMO is an original IP. Period.

 I like your thinking.

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