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  bcbully

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4/17/13 6:08:00 PM#21
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by Vorthanion
What is it with Asian fantasy games that always add content that turns them into steampunk or even worse.  That car would fit in today's world, not the fantasy / medieval world of Archeage.  What's next, replace gliders with jets and maybe throw in a waverunner for some fun watersports?
 

Yeah!  Like how WoW has robotic mounts and crazy machines in a fantasy setting with elves and orcs?!  WTF IS WITH THESE ASIAN GAMES, BLIZZARD?!

Sorry, couldn't help pointing out just how silly your comment was.

I know what you mean about putting stuff in that doesn't fit.

 

We need to start differentiating between Chinese and Korean games though instead of calling them all Asian. Putting them in one group is the same as lumping north america and south america together.

  Tekaelon

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4/17/13 6:14:15 PM#22
I wish the developers well but the style of this game is all over the place
  kadepsyson

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4/17/13 6:16:52 PM#23
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by Vorthanion
What is it with Asian fantasy games that always add content that turns them into steampunk or even worse.  That car would fit in today's world, not the fantasy / medieval world of Archeage.  What's next, replace gliders with jets and maybe throw in a waverunner for some fun watersports?
 

Yeah!  Like how WoW has robotic mounts and crazy machines in a fantasy setting with elves and orcs?!  WTF IS WITH THESE ASIAN GAMES, BLIZZARD?!

Sorry, couldn't help pointing out just how silly your comment was.

WoW started from the very beginning with two steampunk races, called gnomes and goblins.  While I still found it annoying, it was there from the beginning and an integral part of the lore and the previous RTS games that were it's genesis.  Many of these Asian games start out medieval or high fantasy, then suddenly add steampunk / technology into the mix, creating a weird hodgepodge of eras that are not contiguous with the world they created or the story within.

Sorry, didn't realize that making a game in Asia means you have to conform to pre-determined notions of acceptable setting.

I thought a game with an original setting and IP could have its own ideas for the world they create.  Obviously you're more comfortabel with sweeping generalizations about what an Asian game is than any kind of thought as to what this specific game entails.

 

WoW was created from the beginning with those races in its setting.  ArcheAge was created from the beginning with its own take on its own world.  You have no excuse for your anti-Asian sentiment.

 

I still believe your comment to be silly.

El Psy Congroo

  Kumapon

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4/17/13 6:27:05 PM#24


Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Dihoru

 
1 Define "fully realized steampunk world",   2 You can argue your hodge podge theory based on your own tastes but neither of us have in-game experience ergo neither of us knows how forced or natural the feel of the game is
1, a world set in the  late 19th century where the technology incorporates machines that wouldn't normally be seen in the late 19th century but have the appearance of late 19th century aesthetics and work incorporating the technology that was prevalent in the late 19th century. You took that statement way too seriouslybtw. Basically I enjoy steam punk aesthetics.

And I gather that you fancy yourself a steampunk afficianado therefore you are fully ready to do battle with anyone regarding the steampunk genre? well you can relax, it's not as serious as you want it to be. It was just a statment.

2, a picture says a thousand words...

 

Including the aforementioned car that doesn't look steampunk but looks like it was a race car from the '30's?

So you are saying that I could show these images (including the car  ) to a complete stranger and they would not only  know they were from the same game but  would immediatley recognize it (or any of them for that matter) as being steampunk?

 

 

 


You do realize that MMosite is a outfit for Ncsoft and 1/3 of these pics are either old and out of date or just outright fake, right ?

  Sovrath

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4/17/13 6:35:26 PM#25
Originally posted by Kumapon


Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Dihoru

 
1 Define "fully realized steampunk world",   2 You can argue your hodge podge theory based on your own tastes but neither of us have in-game experience ergo neither of us knows how forced or natural the feel of the game is
1, a world set in the  late 19th century where the technology incorporates machines that wouldn't normally be seen in the late 19th century but have the appearance of late 19th century aesthetics and work incorporating the technology that was prevalent in the late 19th century. You took that statement way too seriouslybtw. Basically I enjoy steam punk aesthetics.

 

And I gather that you fancy yourself a steampunk afficianado therefore you are fully ready to do battle with anyone regarding the steampunk genre? well you can relax, it's not as serious as you want it to be. It was just a statment.

2, a picture says a thousand words...

  Including the aforementioned car that doesn't look steampunk but looks like it was a race car from the '30's?

So you are saying that I could show these images (including the car  ) to a complete stranger and they would not only  know they were from the same game but  would immediatley recognize it (or any of them for that matter) as being steampunk?

 


You do realize that MMosite is a outfit for Ncsoft and 1/3 of these pics are either old and out of date or just outright fake, right ?

well I have no information as to what is old, out of date or outright fake. Just what I've seen from sites that have archeage pictures and articles.

However, you may feel free to either point out what is a fake (and I will certainly research them and remove them if they are incorrect) or just point me to the best archeage site that has a wide array of pictures. I feel rather confident that I'll find the same array of styles.

I do know there is a 1930's car and people build castles and fight with swords and shields yet the sailign ships are not of an era with what appears to be a versio of heavy armor and long swords. And I believe there is a juke box.

So right there I could just let my point stand.

  waynejr2

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4/17/13 6:43:19 PM#26
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Dihoru

Face meet palm -facepalms-

The above two posters who stated that a original IP that they believe is set in a medieval setting should follow rules they dictated because they know better than the developers of the game what the game should feel like.  Might I suggest you two look up the definition of the term fantasy? (steampunk is fantasy and some people love it, some don't, Fullmetal Alchemist for example is a manga set in a steampunk universe which to be frank in my eyes blows most generic fantasy settings, such as Warcraft's, clean out of the water).

Well it's called integrity in design.

when last I checked on their game they had medievil castles yes?

And they fight with larger swords that might be found in earlier time periods. And ther are catapults.  yes?

Of course their ships aren't medievil at all and there is a disco.

Is disco steam punk?

What we have here is a hodge podge of styles and time periods.

Which I would think is a stylistic mess but to each his/her own.

And "no" I would not be complaining if it were a fully realized steampunk world.

 So if a spaceship landed on the fantasy world of magic and unicorns, that could never be a valid design??????????????????  

  Kumapon

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4/17/13 6:47:35 PM#27


Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Kumapon

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Dihoru

 
1 Define "fully realized steampunk world",   2 You can argue your hodge podge theory based on your own tastes but neither of us have in-game experience ergo neither of us knows how forced or natural the feel of the game is
1, a world set in the  late 19th century where the technology incorporates machines that wouldn't normally be seen in the late 19th century but have the appearance of late 19th century aesthetics and work incorporating the technology that was prevalent in the late 19th century. You took that statement way too seriouslybtw. Basically I enjoy steam punk aesthetics.   And I gather that you fancy yourself a steampunk afficianado therefore you are fully ready to do battle with anyone regarding the steampunk genre? well you can relax, it's not as serious as you want it to be. It was just a statment. 2, a picture says a thousand words...   Including the aforementioned car that doesn't look steampunk but looks like it was a race car from the '30's? So you are saying that I could show these images (including the car  ) to a complete stranger and they would not only  know they were from the same game but  would immediatley recognize it (or any of them for that matter) as being steampunk?  
You do realize that MMosite is a outfit for Ncsoft and 1/3 of these pics are either old and out of date or just outright fake, right ?
well I have no information as to what is old, out of date or outright fake. Just what I've seen from sites that have archeage pictures and articles.

However, you may feel free to either point out what is a fake (and I will certainly research them and remove them if they are incorrect) or just point me to the best archeage site that has a wide array of pictures. I feel rather confident that I'll find the same array of styles.

I do know there is a disco and I now know there is a 1930's car and people build castles and fight with swords and shields. And I believe there is a juke box.

So right there I could just let my point stand.



First I would like to point out there are no discos in the game as you call it. It was an idea that was brought up in CB4, but was never implemented. So the first pic you posted is out of date.


For those that don't know, ArcheAge doesn't have any pre-set dance moves. You have to create the moves yourself by doing a mini-game. Where you must click the right button at the right time and combine the Moves per Button. So in this game you create your own dance moves. If 5 or more players start dancing together then the rave lights go on to have some dancing fun, but that is as far as it goes.


http://youtu.be/1K07heXLEbw


The playboy bunny's and those casino's were never implanted either due to negative feedback. Trion may bring them here in the NA version but I don't think so. So that pic is out of date.

  Sovrath

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4/17/13 6:51:03 PM#28
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Dihoru

Face meet palm -facepalms-

The above two posters who stated that a original IP that they believe is set in a medieval setting should follow rules they dictated because they know better than the developers of the game what the game should feel like.  Might I suggest you two look up the definition of the term fantasy? (steampunk is fantasy and some people love it, some don't, Fullmetal Alchemist for example is a manga set in a steampunk universe which to be frank in my eyes blows most generic fantasy settings, such as Warcraft's, clean out of the water).

Well it's called integrity in design.

when last I checked on their game they had medievil castles yes?

And they fight with larger swords that might be found in earlier time periods. And ther are catapults.  yes?

Of course their ships aren't medievil at all and there is a disco.

Is disco steam punk?

What we have here is a hodge podge of styles and time periods.

Which I would think is a stylistic mess but to each his/her own.

And "no" I would not be complaining if it were a fully realized steampunk world.

 So if a spaceship landed on the fantasy world of magic and unicorns, that could never be a valid design??????????????????  

no it would depend on how they did it. Have you ever seen Outlander? Fun little movie.

In this case, having a 1980's disco (which I am now told is not in the game anymore so we'll see) , a 1930's car, large sailing ships, juke boxes and warriors who fight with shield and sword and heavy armor are all anachronistic and in the way I see how they have done it it's a hodge podge.

Their presentation of all these is a hodge podge mess.

sorry I'm sticking with my opinion, I don't like sunglasses in my fantasy worlds, skates, race cars or discos. I don't buy the "it's a fantasy world so everything goes".

You can put many things in a world and make it work. This just doesn't work for my tastes.

I'll repeat that "my tastes".

  JasonJ

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4/17/13 6:57:18 PM#29

If they are increasing the amount of open PvP in this patch in Korea then there is no way Trion is going to convert this game to a non-open PvP game for the west.

Trion is taking a big risk bringing an open PvP game here...they never bain a big following here. Such a waste of a good sandbox game.

  JasonJ

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4/17/13 6:57:18 PM#30

If they are increasing the amount of open PvP in this patch in Korea then there is no way Trion is going to convert this game to a non-open PvP game for the west.

Trion is taking a big risk bringing an open PvP game here...they never bain a big following here. Such a waste of a good sandbox game.

  Sovrath

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4/17/13 6:57:35 PM#31
Originally posted by Kumapon

 



 


First I would like to point out there are no discos in the game as you call it. It was an idea that was brought up in CB4, but was never implemented. So the first pic you posted is out of date.


For those that don't know, ArcheAge doesn't have any pre-set dance moves. You have to create the moves yourself by doing a mini-game. Where you must click the right button at the right time and combine the Moves per Button. So in this game you create your own dance moves. If 5 or more players start dancing together then the rave lights go on to have some dancing fun, but that is as far as it goes.


http://youtu.be/1K07heXLEbw


The playboy bunny's and those casino's were never implanted either due to negative feedback. Trion may bring them here in the NA version but I don't think so. So that pic is out of date.

 

Ok fine, I'll take your word for it for now.

and "out of curiosity..." what music does one dance to? What type? I wonder....

 

 

  Kumapon

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4/17/13 7:02:05 PM#32

This pic sorta looks like ArcheAge, but those are not archeage houses, so I don't know what game this comes from.


This pic is just an outright fake. Women do not have those outfits in ArcheAge. This may be another Korean game but it is not ArcheAge.

  Sovrath

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4/17/13 7:08:31 PM#33
Originally posted by Kumapon

This pic sorta looks like ArcheAge, but those are not archeage houses, so I don't know what game this comes from.

 


This pic is just an outright fake. Women do not have those outfits in ArcheAge. This may be another Korean game but it is not ArcheAge.

 

 

Thank you I've changed the images to similar images. One showing what should now be arche age houses and castle and another showing a variety of characters and their outfits.

slowly but surely...

  Kumapon

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4/17/13 7:12:14 PM#34


Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Kumapon  


  First I would like to point out there are no discos in the game as you call it. It was an idea that was brought up in CB4, but was never implemented. So the first pic you posted is out of date. For those that don't know, ArcheAge doesn't have any pre-set dance moves. You have to create the moves yourself by doing a mini-game. Where you must click the right button at the right time and combine the Moves per Button. So in this game you create your own dance moves. If 5 or more players start dancing together then the rave lights go on to have some dancing fun, but that is as far as it goes. http://youtu.be/1K07heXLEbw The playboy bunny's and those casino's were never implanted either due to negative feedback. Trion may bring them here in the NA version but I don't think so. So that pic is out of date.  
Ok fine, I'll take your word for it for now.

and "out of curiosity..." what music does one dance to? What type? I wonder....

 

 


I'm not saying your 100% wrong, you do bring up some valid points. I mean you can't deny those cars..lol


But each race has it's own theme music and lore. The Elves are high and pure and one with nature, so they don't do the steampunk thing, so their music is classical.


The Hariharans are on the opposite scale, modern with their steampunk, red light district, and their music is a modern beat.

  Sovrath

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4/17/13 7:17:19 PM#35
Originally posted by Kumapon

 


Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Kumapon  


  First I would like to point out there are no discos in the game as you call it. It was an idea that was brought up in CB4, but was never implemented. So the first pic you posted is out of date. For those that don't know, ArcheAge doesn't have any pre-set dance moves. You have to create the moves yourself by doing a mini-game. Where you must click the right button at the right time and combine the Moves per Button. So in this game you create your own dance moves. If 5 or more players start dancing together then the rave lights go on to have some dancing fun, but that is as far as it goes. http://youtu.be/1K07heXLEbw The playboy bunny's and those casino's were never implanted either due to negative feedback. Trion may bring them here in the NA version but I don't think so. So that pic is out of date.  
Ok fine, I'll take your word for it for now.

 

and "out of curiosity..." what music does one dance to? What type? I wonder....

 

 


 

 

I'm not saying your 100% wrong, you do bring up some valid points. I mean you can't deny those cars..lol


But each race has it's own theme music and lore. The Elves are high and pure and one with nature, so they don't do the steampunk thing, so their music is classical.


The Hariharans are on the opposite scale, modern with their steampunk, red light district, and their music is a modern beat.

Look, I'm not looking to win battles just to point out that the developers have taken very disparate influences put them in the game but not in the way that feels organic.

I'm still going to play it because I love what seems like a more open world with various guilds fighitng and the art design is quite good. Some have said it's not as sandboxy as other have hoped but I can make my own judgement on that.

what I don't like is that all the influences feel all over the place.

A good example is the gentlman's question regarding "the spaceship landing in a fantasy world". Well, that works in WoW because it feels like it's part of the same "universe" for lack of a better word.

If it looked like this...

It wouldn't.

or this for that matter...

  Kumapon

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4/17/13 7:27:04 PM#36


Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Kumapon  

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Kumapon  


  First I would like to point out there are no discos in the game as you call it. It was an idea that was brought up in CB4, but was never implemented. So the first pic you posted is out of date. For those that don't know, ArcheAge doesn't have any pre-set dance moves. You have to create the moves yourself by doing a mini-game. Where you must click the right button at the right time and combine the Moves per Button. So in this game you create your own dance moves. If 5 or more players start dancing together then the rave lights go on to have some dancing fun, but that is as far as it goes. http://youtu.be/1K07heXLEbw The playboy bunny's and those casino's were never implanted either due to negative feedback. Trion may bring them here in the NA version but I don't think so. So that pic is out of date.  
Ok fine, I'll take your word for it for now.   and "out of curiosity..." what music does one dance to? What type? I wonder....    
    I'm not saying your 100% wrong, you do bring up some valid points. I mean you can't deny those cars..lol But each race has it's own theme music and lore. The Elves are high and pure and one with nature, so they don't do the steampunk thing, so their music is classical. The Hariharans are on the opposite scale, modern with their steampunk, red light district, and their music is a modern beat.
Look, I'm not looking to win battles just to point out that the developers have taken very disparate influences put them in the game but not in the way that feels organic.

I'm still going to play it because I love what seems like a more open world with various guilds fighitng and the art design is quite good. Some have said it's not as sandboxy as other have hoped but I can make my own judgement on that.

what I don't like is that all the influences feel all over the place.

 



No Worries, I am not looking to win any battles either. Just trying to help in my own little way I guess..lol


In AA, lvl 1-39 is a casual quest hub solo grind, like you will find in any themepark, it even has a few 3-5 man dungeon instances along the way. Xl games is even gonna add ranked Arena's and BG's. You can do other things but this will be your main way to lvl.


But then at lvl 40 the game slowly takes a 180 degree turn, and the it turns into a sanbox with the Rift system from Rift(0 raids and instances, it's just one big open world). Jake Songs theory was that he wanted to ease the WOW/Thempark crowed into a old school style sandbox. Don't know if it will work here in the West, but we shall see.

  faiyo

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4/17/13 7:36:06 PM#37

I don't remmeber xlgames or trion calling this game as strictly one era. If we're going by this way of thinking, let's take out the ferre race, considring cat people are not typical in a medivel setting. Or let's take out everything that isn't medievil so everyone can say it's a generic asian mmo set in medievil times.

 

Pretty sure they intended the world to be completely open to any style, otherwise the starting areas of each race wouldn't be so different from one another. Then again it seems like people here are dying for this game to fail in the west.

 

  kadepsyson

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4/17/13 9:44:03 PM#38

People today can fly to a space station in orbit around the Earth.  People today still ride horses.

 

The people who commented are just trying to hide their anti-Asian MMO stance rather than making any kind of valid point.

 

Sweeping generalizations without actual though about the individual case paint a clear picture of the posters ability to use that thinking organ they claim to have ;)

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  itchmon

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4/17/13 10:04:59 PM#39

i agree that car looks really incongruous... the least they could do is make it look like an external combustion steam car.

 

and i agree with the legendary Sovrath that incongruities like this are a sticking point with me.

(and i agree with many others who note that these incongruities are fairly oddly common in korean games)

 

(for a good idea of how to smoothly integrate a steampunk and a fantastical setting together might i suggest a trip to bastok in ff11)

 

that said archeage looks like it's taking a lot of great ideas in terms of a themebox hybrid rpg and implementing them with some actual success.... so i'm still all over that.

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  shava

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4/17/13 10:29:31 PM#40

Asian fantasy incorporates a great deal of 18th and 19th century European cultural iconography into it in the same way that European fantasy incorporates a great deal of Ottoman iconography (Alladin, Shaherazade, any of the Arabian Nights stories and so on) in it.

There are points when a foreign culture touches another culture that set off stylistic rages, and the landing of the tall ships in China and Japan were those times.  The pale bearded explorers of the age of exploration with their gunpowder-fueled weapons and their uncouth manners were like ogres and magicians all at once, amazing engineers and huge louts, bringing riches and war and disruption, and occasionally something really amazing and worthwhile or even beautiful.

They also brought diseases and (oddly) opium wars and all kinds of crap.  Interesting times.

So yes, what you see as "steampunk" is probably romanticized first-contact with an alien race -- westerners.  It's a different point of origin than western steampunk.  It's more like us looking at people at the far east as mysterious and inscrutable.  They looked at their early contact with us as...odd adventurers...because that's the people who made landfall in those first ships, you know!  They were a rag-tag lot.

There are traces of this theme in a number of far east games, especially ones that have western- and eastern-like humans in them.

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