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General Discussion  » If the current KS fails, would you fund a 2nd KS (lower goal)?

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  lolunatic

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4/16/13 4:09:00 PM#21

MMO kickstarting is such a scam lol. you need RESOURCES to make an mmo, puting together a team of nobody devs and (i have no clue how much they want) I'm geussing 2 or 4 mill is what hes asking, but even that WONT make you an mmo. MMO are the HARDEST games to make.

Look at the experienced RPG developer BIOWARE still struggling to get SWTOR to have a place in the mmo world, so far the only thing it has going for it is the Star Wars theme and free2play, everything else it is pretty much beat, except maybe on story, which youll skip after getting to 50 once, with the exception of the class stories.

The only thing Mark's team has done is develop plants v zombie app. L:OL. Why would anyone trust this man with their money after how he managed DoAC and WAR.

 

 

 

 

 

I vote no.

  tinuelle

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It's all about pushing the right buttons

4/16/13 4:11:45 PM#22
Originally posted by Normandy7
No because the game has a low amount of backers as it is.

It is a test of wether the market for the idea of a PvP/RvR game exists. 

The low backer number is worrying for those that enjoy such games.

I think investors might take note of this for future game development. As an investor I would shy away from Any MMORPG both pvp and pve. Much less risk and greater potential for earnings on small mobile games with inapp purchases. All the failed MMOs show that the risk and cost for such games too be produced are horrible.

Only idiots create a game the market doesnt want. So it will be fun too see if the market wants it or not.

  augustgrace

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4/16/13 4:11:48 PM#23

If MJ came back with something more concrete than, "I maybe, sorta want to make a game.  Like DAoC, but completely different, but only if other people pony up the money first." Then, and only then, would I consider giving this guy my money.

Player- So how will the game play?

MJ- Meh, we'll sort that out later

Player- ....okay.  What classes will be in at launch?

MJ- Later, money first.  Give me money....

Player- uh...this isn't going well.  Do you have a demo, or at least a strong portfolio of concept art?

MJ- *sigh*  I guess I could have one of the interns whip something up.  But really, gives me all your moneys....

 

Then there is the comment in one of the blogs, that part of the money will go to hiring a story writer, so he can go back to his dayjob.  Doesn't want to be bothered with coming up with a solid concept, isn't interested in writing the story, hit and miss record= show me somthing solid before asking for money.

  tinuelle

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It's all about pushing the right buttons

4/16/13 4:26:07 PM#24
Originally posted by augustgrace

show me somthing solid before asking for money.

Dude, this is a kickstarter.

I really dont think you are in the targetgroup for this kickstarter. Kickstarters are not solid. You seem more like a pre-order, demo or review after release player. It is all fine, but a kickstarter doesnt fit your needs for information or workedthrough product.

I dont think Any kickstarter project might be for you. Better check out a store.

  Mkilbride

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4/16/13 4:32:42 PM#25

Yeah, people aren't understanding what a Kickstarter is, or what crowd-funding is.

 

It's the most frustrating thing really. If they didn't like the idea or concept, that'd be fine, but complaining about not having any footage of the game to show...when the whole point of the KS is raise money to do so?

Help get Camelot Unchained made, a old-school MMORPG, with no hand holding!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained

  Benedikt

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4/16/13 4:34:56 PM#26
Originally posted by lolunatic

MMO kickstarting is such a scam lol. you need RESOURCES to make an mmo, puting together a team of nobody devs and (i have no clue how much they want) I'm geussing 2 or 4 mill is what hes asking, but even that WONT make you an mmo. MMO are the HARDEST games to make.

Look at the experienced RPG developer BIOWARE still struggling to get SWTOR to have a place in the mmo world, so far the only thing it has going for it is the Star Wars theme and free2play, everything else it is pretty much beat, except maybe on story, which youll skip after getting to 50 once, with the exception of the class stories.

The only thing Mark's team has done is develop plants v zombie app. L:OL. Why would anyone trust this man with their money after how he managed DoAC and WAR.

 I vote no.

"MMO kickstarting is such a scam lol. you need RESOURCES to make an mmo, puting together a team of nobody devs and (i have no clue how much they want) I'm geussing 2 or 4 mill is what hes asking, but even that WONT make you an mmo. MMO are the HARDEST games to make."

wow, you know absolutely nothing about the game, team or even their KS (didnt even bothered to check how much money they ask for) and still came to vote in this thread? thats says a lot

Mark Jacobs already succesfully launched (as a lead designer) 2 mmorpgs, not to mention a lot of single player games

"noname" dev Andrew Meggs was a lead programmer on VtM:Bloodlines and also worked on e.g. Warhammer Online

 

  lolunatic

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4/16/13 4:46:15 PM#27
Originally posted by Benedikt
Originally posted by lolunatic

MMO kickstarting is such a scam lol. you need RESOURCES to make an mmo, puting together a team of nobody devs and (i have no clue how much they want) I'm geussing 2 or 4 mill is what hes asking, but even that WONT make you an mmo. MMO are the HARDEST games to make.

Look at the experienced RPG developer BIOWARE still struggling to get SWTOR to have a place in the mmo world, so far the only thing it has going for it is the Star Wars theme and free2play, everything else it is pretty much beat, except maybe on story, which youll skip after getting to 50 once, with the exception of the class stories.

The only thing Mark's team has done is develop plants v zombie app. L:OL. Why would anyone trust this man with their money after how he managed DoAC and WAR.

 I vote no.

"MMO kickstarting is such a scam lol. you need RESOURCES to make an mmo, puting together a team of nobody devs and (i have no clue how much they want) I'm geussing 2 or 4 mill is what hes asking, but even that WONT make you an mmo. MMO are the HARDEST games to make."

wow, you know absolutely nothing about the game, team or even their KS (didnt even bothered to check how much money they ask for) and still came to vote in this thread? thats says a lot

Mark Jacobs already succesfully launched (as a lead designer) 2 mmorpgs, not to mention a lot of single player games

"noname" dev Andrew Meggs was a lead programmer on VtM:Bloodlines and also worked on e.g. Warhammer Online

 

So they're going to make an mmo with two people plus  some? Warhammer is a shame of an mmo, ea is too evil to put it out of it's misery. What about DoAc, well what about ToA. The reason I haven't done research is because I'm not going to waste my time on a S-C-A-M.

  Speely

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Joined: 2/16/13
Posts: 864

4/16/13 5:01:48 PM#28
Yep.

If this KS failed 10 times in a row, I would back the 11th attempt. This is because it is a concept I firmly believe in, and something I have wanted a developer to execute since the first time I created an account on a MuD.

However, I fully realise the niche nature of this game and the development resources it will require. That is a precarious precipice upon which to perch. When you go niche AND ambitious, there is an immediately-apparent conflict.

There is a reason we don’t have tons of gameplay footage yet. It is because this game concept is such a giant gamble that it makes NO sense to pour development cost into it if your potential player base does not show interest.

The beauty of it is that those who DO show interest get probably the best deal ever, and that speaks volumes in and of itself about the content of the character of CSE.

I will back this mother-effer like a chiropracter until they stop trying. It’s just so refreshing to see actual VISION in this age of hand-holding, catering, and divergence from the reason people started developing (not publishing, as I am aware that this is an industry, not a hobby) videogames.

I might sound like an old fart when I say this, but I remember when games were developed by people who had both a passion for games AND were unconstrained by publisher avarice because videogames in general were not a mass-market industry.

That is how CU is making me feel, and I have not felt that in years.

/yes

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  revslave

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4/16/13 5:06:46 PM#29
Originally posted by tinuelle
Originally posted by augustgrace

show me somthing solid before asking for money.

Dude, this is a kickstarter.

I really dont think you are in the targetgroup for this kickstarter. Kickstarters are not solid. You seem more like a pre-order, demo or review after release player. It is all fine, but a kickstarter doesnt fit your needs for information or workedthrough product.

I dont think Any kickstarter project might be for you. Better check out a store.

Hello

I am a  big supporter of kickstarter, but to say that campaigns do not need to show someethig solid  is a stretch.   When you are asking people for a large amount of money, you should at least have a basic demo.  Take a look at the other campaigns in the games section I think you may be surprised.

As to the OP:  I have not backed this project as of yet, in part because of a lack of concrete information.  I would have to see how any further campaigns are different.

Rev.

  Vargur

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4/16/13 5:07:01 PM#30

Yes, I'll back a second KS easily because a tri-realm world is what I have been waiting for since I left DAoC when they changed archery. It wouldn't have mattered if it was a Roman/Greek/Egyptian MMO, but as a Norweigan I just got to jump at the chance of playing a viking once more.

  lolunatic

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Posts: 113

4/16/13 5:14:18 PM#31
Originally posted by PerfArt

That is how CU is making me feel, and I have not felt that in years.
 

 

Oh did you beta test it?

  Speely

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4/16/13 5:17:47 PM#32
Lolunatic: no, but I am looking forward to doing so. That’s why I am backing it. Not everyone has to, and I respect their choice not to.

http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/PerfArt

  Tamanous

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4/16/13 5:53:21 PM#33

MJ did say that if the KS failed but near target he would consider a lower target. I know he said the project would be cancelled if support wasn't anywhere near target but it seems like the interest in the game warrants a revisit of the idea.

 

I would hope they would reorganize and come back with more solid demos and interest generated from this attempt. Of course the best outcome is for this to succeed. :)

You stay sassy!

  kitarad

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4/16/13 5:56:03 PM#34
No I don't think the interest is enough for a full game if this one fails.

  GreenHell

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4/16/13 6:02:07 PM#35
Originally posted by Mkilbride

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Don't be an idiot. This is a KICKSTARTER.

 

Torment only had a 2.5D image of a guy walking back and forth and a talking head, and they broke 4M. It's supposed to kickstart a game.

 

To many KS's develop their game almost entirely, then us KS at the end. It's obscene and twisting the purpose of KS, and alot of people are now "used to" KS with in-game footage, when most don't have it.

This is such a wrong way of looking at KS.

  User Deleted
4/16/13 6:07:39 PM#36
I think if it does fail, then if they could afford to, they could work on the game for 2 -3 months and then do another kickstarter. But this time, they will have even more to show that will be sure to catch backers interestes.
  BowbowDAoC

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4/16/13 6:18:21 PM#37

Lots of people have no clue about what is kickstarter from what i can read for the past month.

Lots of people expect almost a game that is beta phase....its a kickSTARTER ! not a KickENDER lol

 

But yeah i'd pledge a second, third, fourth KS if it was necessary, although if it would never go to 4 i presume, as this would be a good sign that its too much of a niche (or as i would rather say, it would be proof the the good mmo days are truly over)

Bowbow (kob hunter) Infecto (kob cave shammy) and Thurka (troll warrior) on Merlin/Midgard DAoC
Thurka on WAR

  BowbowDAoC

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4/16/13 6:25:16 PM#38
Originally posted by kitarad
No I don't think the interest is enough for a full game if this one fails.

i think there would be enough players that would play the game, unfortunatly since KS is fairly new, lots of people dont really trust that, or dont want to fund, wich is ok, but mostly i think there s not alot of people outthere that knows about CU yet....

 

I send a private message here on mmorpg to all the 160ish people that posted years ago on discussion "DAoC 2....what if"

most if not all of them wanted it. Now i know CU isnt DAoC 2, but you know what i mean :).... but only 4 person replied so far, i dont think the rest of them even logs onto their mmorpg account anymore. but it could be around 25000$ more on KS so far ( according the average amount per backer so far).

Those people could have told their friends etc...snowball effect :) unfortunatly the snowball effect is rather small small atm due to the amount of people we actually can spread the word to.

Bowbow (kob hunter) Infecto (kob cave shammy) and Thurka (troll warrior) on Merlin/Midgard DAoC
Thurka on WAR

  meddyck

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4/17/13 6:38:41 AM#39
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

Lots of people have no clue about what is kickstarter from what i can read for the past month.

Lots of people expect almost a game that is beta phase....its a kickSTARTER ! not a KickENDER lol

A Kickstarter can be done at any stage of development. It's up to potential backers to decide if what the developer shows is enough to earn their $. As you say, Kickstarter is something new and unusual for most of us, and it required us all to decide exactly what we need to see to justify a donation.

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  cinos

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4/17/13 6:51:19 AM#40
Originally posted by kitarad
No I don't think the interest is enough for a full game if this one fails.

Have to agree. Barely 7500 backers by this point is pretty bad. If this were a small indie game it would be fine but for an mmo, even a niche one, that is not good numbers.

You wouldn't recoup even the development costs for years with that small a player base.

 

Still 15 days to go but at this rate the campaign is going to need a 600k bump in the final days just to get funded.

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