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General Discussion  » If the current KS fails, would you fund a 2nd KS (lower goal)?

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  DMKano

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OP  4/16/13 8:12:06 AM#1

Please use the poll below, feel free to elaborate on your answers.

I am in the maybe category, depending on how much progress they make on alpha.

If this CU kickstart fails, would you fund a 2nd one at lower goal?

Yes
No
Maybe
Just show me the votes
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  meddyck

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4/16/13 8:17:21 AM#2

I vote maybe. If this one fails, I would want to see more developer commitment to the project before I would consider funding a second one. IOW put your money where your mouth is, Mark. If you think this is a good, viable idea (which I do), start working on it. When you have done enough work to show us something concrete and are at the end of your self-funding, then come back and do a Kickstarter to raise the remaining funds and finish the game.

I don't see any chance that a 2nd Kickstarter will happen though. Either this one will fund or it will fall hundreds of thousands of dollars short which will be a large enough gap that Mark has promised he wouldn't try it again.

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  Betaguy

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4/16/13 8:20:43 AM#3
I'll chuck them a lot more forsure, got some disposable income... I'll just cut back for a day or two on the blow and hookers. ;)

  Jayaris

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Hi

4/16/13 8:31:07 AM#4

I voted no.

If Mark funded the development of an Alpha build etc. and set-up another Kickstarter I would back more.

Or, if they wanted to do what Pathfinder Online did and take 300,000 to make a test demo I might back that.

But, I wouldn't back the exact same idea with a goal set to 1.5 million.

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  Benedikt

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4/16/13 9:11:33 AM#5
voted no, and i honestly hope that if this KS fails (and i still hope it will not, but ...), MJ says to himself "screw them, if they are not willing to support a game they were crying for for so long, they are not worth the effort" and goes create different type of games.
  Lawtoween

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4/16/13 12:14:56 PM#6
I voted no because I don't want an unfinished game.  As it is, we need some amount more than $2 mil to see The Depths in the game (at least at launch).  I want to see this game go live, but not a watered down "We did what we could with the money we had" version.  In 2016 I don't want to be thinking, "If only they had gotten that additional $500k."
  Taldier

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4/16/13 12:17:45 PM#7

There isnt going to be a second KS.

If we as a community cant even build enough support to make this one work, we can hardly expect MJ to invest more hundreds of thousands of dollars into continuing development.

  tlear

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4/16/13 12:21:14 PM#8
Originally posted by Benedikt
voted no, and i honestly hope that if this KS fails (and i still hope it will not, but ...), MJ says to himself "screw them, if they are not willing to support a game they were crying for for so long, they are not worth the effort" and goes create different type of games.

Exactly. I have not played an MMO since Aion release and probably will not play another again

  Mkilbride

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4/16/13 12:53:33 PM#9

MJ himself said that is the KS fails, that he won't put it back up or try to get additional backers.

 

This is our chance to show the gaming world we want a game like this.

Help get Camelot Unchained made, a old-school MMORPG, with no hand holding!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained

  Ulorik

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4/16/13 1:03:57 PM#10
If KS fails then there won't be additional funding because the demand isn't there, hence no second KS.
  Sornin

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4/16/13 1:42:43 PM#11

This is Camelot Unchained's one and only shot at getting the funds necessary to be developed. CSE set the minimum they need at $2M from us to make it work, so asking for less would be silly. I would not pledge to a campaign asking for less than they initially said they needed, as those funds would not be useful. I want to see it done right or not at all; I have enough half-finished MMORPGs to play if I want to.

Plus, the community is simply not going to be able to put in the effort they have put in a second time. Excitement is high, people are working hard to help CSE create awareness, but I do not think most would be willing to do it again.

Anyway, I genuinely hope it funds and have pledged a very large sum for my part. But, it ultimately rests on what their target market of gamers wants to see. Right now, people are not demonstrating in sufficient numbers they want to see this game made. We will see if CSE can change that around with more updates. This week promises to have some good ones!

  botrytis

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4/16/13 1:54:40 PM#12
MJ is saying if he doesn't get funding it is the communities fault? No, it is his for not having the work done to actually show something to get the funding. He could have used his own money to develop it instead of waiting.

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  Mkilbride

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4/16/13 1:57:21 PM#13

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Don't be an idiot. This is a KICKSTARTER.

 

Torment only had a 2.5D image of a guy walking back and forth and a talking head, and they broke 4M. It's supposed to kickstart a game.

 

To many KS's develop their game almost entirely, then us KS at the end. It's obscene and twisting the purpose of KS, and alot of people are now "used to" KS with in-game footage, when most don't have it.

Help get Camelot Unchained made, a old-school MMORPG, with no hand holding!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained

  waynejr2

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4/16/13 2:03:26 PM#14
Originally posted by Mkilbride

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Don't be an idiot. This is a KICKSTARTER.

 

Torment only had a 2.5D image of a guy walking back and forth and a talking head, and they broke 4M. It's supposed to kickstart a game.

 

To many KS's develop their game almost entirely, then us KS at the end. It's obscene and twisting the purpose of KS, and alot of people are now "used to" KS with in-game footage, when most don't have it.

 Looks like they did a very good job.  Lots of extra goals too!

  Taldier

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4/16/13 2:07:17 PM#15
Originally posted by botrytis
MJ is saying if he doesn't get funding it is the communities fault? No, it is his for not having the work done to actually show something to get the funding. He could have used his own money to develop it instead of waiting.

He is using his own money.  Who do you think is paying for all those programmers and designers?  Do you think people like Andrew Meggs are walking away from their highly profitable jobs just to do charity work?

 

The insane thing is to expect MJ to spend ALL of his money before you'll even consider looking at his ideas.

 

You arent preordering a game from some big publisher.  You are showing support for an idea.

 

He cant get to the stages of development you want him to without that support unless he goes back to some big investor, which is the last thing you should want to happen to yet another game.

 

You cant get support inside the industry for any MMO that isnt a crappy WoW clone.  And they will continue to believe there is no demand for such a thing unless we as consumers prove otherwise.

  taurak

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4/16/13 3:51:36 PM#16

If the first kickstarter failed, hell yeah I'd back it again.

 

I'm already trying to think of a way I can increase my pledge a lot.

This would be the first good game of the mullenium.

  botrytis

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4/16/13 3:52:44 PM#17
Originally posted by Taldier
Originally posted by botrytis
MJ is saying if he doesn't get funding it is the communities fault? No, it is his for not having the work done to actually show something to get the funding. He could have used his own money to develop it instead of waiting.

He is using his own money.  Who do you think is paying for all those programmers and designers?  Do you think people like Andrew Meggs are walking away from their highly profitable jobs just to do charity work?

 

The insane thing is to expect MJ to spend ALL of his money before you'll even consider looking at his ideas.

 

You arent preordering a game from some big publisher.  You are showing support for an idea.

 

He cant get to the stages of development you want him to without that support unless he goes back to some big investor, which is the last thing you should want to happen to yet another game.

 

You cant get support inside the industry for any MMO that isnt a crappy WoW clone.  And they will continue to believe there is no demand for such a thing unless we as consumers prove otherwise.

There are many ways to get this funded. I think Kickstarter is the realm of last resort. Maybe he couldn't get funding any other way and some investors said they would put in onl if others put in. That makes sense to me.

 

If the game actually has an Alpha game play that people could see, that would be something to show for an idea. Even when scientist write for grants, from the government, one cannot just get them funded with ideas. You need some data or proof - where is it? The demos showed mean nothing - NPCS standing around.....

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  ThomasN7

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4/16/13 3:54:16 PM#18
No because the game has a low amount of backers as it is. No way it would pass a second time just because the funding goal is much lower.
  Mkilbride

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4/16/13 3:55:12 PM#19

This is Kickstarter. I can't make it any clearer. It's for getting an idea off the ground.

 

Richard Garriot and various other famous developers are using it - realm of last resort? No, they chose ot. They want freedom to make a game they want to make.

Help get Camelot Unchained made, a old-school MMORPG, with no hand holding!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained

  Vorthanion

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4/16/13 3:57:18 PM#20
Not my kind of game, but I wish him the best of luck.  Every niche deserves to have a game to call home.

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