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General Discussion  » My Neverwinter beta 4 impressions (hint: Cash Shop Ruins Everything)

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  Sho0terMcgavin

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4/15/13 9:23:27 PM#41
Originally posted by Onigod

Cash shop,  Perfect World Entertainment.

 

Enough said.. Its from PWE so you can buy power with real money that is almost impossible to get without spending anything.

Huh?  What power can you buy?  I've been in all 4 beta weekends and have looked at the cash shop each time.  The prices are way too high, but there is no power for sale.  Please shut up if you haven't even played the game.

  Bigbadwlf

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OP  4/16/13 12:32:50 AM#42
Originally posted by winter
Originally posted by Tsumoro

Sorry, but I think I am a little late to the party on this one. I had fully intended to come and enjoy Neverwinter but all this talk withing the thread about the pay2win stuff etc has made me somewhat wary. 

Would anyone who has played please give me an example of the pay2win situation going on? Like, what exactly do you 'have' to pay for in order to succeed?

 

Thank you for your time, I am a big DnD fan and this sounds potentially a deal breaker for me >.<

 Nothing, as the Op is posting incorrect information 

Pplayed didn't have to spend anything had complete acess to all classes and all areas. Unlike EQ2 or DDO there was nothing I could see the cash shop sold that would increase my stats or that I needed to equipe better items. While i expect one may have to pay to get the new classes when they are released there is nothing currently one needs to spend cash on. I didn't fwwl any real need for a mount or companion both of which one gets with the founders pack on releaase and both of which can be gotten in game via quests or gold.

 

  Ask yourself this easy question who spends money on items in beta that will be wiped at the end of the weekend? the Op says he spent $80 doesn't say on what just claims he spent that much even though it will all be wiped by the 25Th. Does that make sense? Do you believe him? theres a certain lack of reasoning there that smells of troll

The only one spreading incorrect information is you.  You still think the founder's pack is $40?  Go away troll.

  Wickedjelly

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4/16/13 12:41:30 AM#43

/shrug

The CS seems fine to me. I'm actually a bit relieved since before I got to check it out I was cringing what it might entail. If the game was P2P or B2p and had this design I would be irritated but considering it doesn't and there are even in game ways to earn what you want if you're patient enough it works for me.

 

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  jesteralways

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4/16/13 12:45:01 AM#44
"Cash shop ruins everything" :- that is what PWE is in a nutshell. 

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  JDogg126

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Joined: 8/16/08
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You've ruined your own lands, you'll not ruin mine!

4/16/13 12:47:12 AM#45
Originally posted by Logansan
Sounds like a good honest review. I didn't get into Beta so I can agree or disagree with anything, but you have (sadly) confirmed what I expected the game I would end up like. I'll likely still end up trying it as a few of my friends are looking forward to it, but it's starting to looks like it may be one of those short one month visits to a MMORPG that seems to the trend these day.

It's a highly biased review from someone who had pretty much unrealistic expectations from the onset.  There was no way that this was going to be a game with free form classes nor was there any chance that this game would match the level of production value recently launched games that cost millions more to make.  If a fool gave a review, this would be what it looks like.

The game is fun to play.  The dungeons are cool.  The foundry stuff can really be amazing.  The graphics are actually very well done within the chosen art styling.  There could be a great deal of "replay value" here for a free to play game.  You don't need to put any money at all into the cash shop to get the full game.  You don't need to buy a founder pack either if you choose not to.  If I had to give it criticism I'd say it would be nice if there were 1) more character appearance options; 2) a wider visual variety of gear and weapons; and 3) more of the core classes from the players handbook at the start of open beta.  But all those things can get addressed throughout the open beta (soft launch).

If you are only interested in quick xp, getting to max level so you can start in on tier end game content then you should concentrate on the mainstream game in the genre that has that stuff in spades plus has cute pandas, built-in farmland, and built-in pokemon challenges too.

  socalsk8tr

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4/16/13 1:12:47 AM#46

As a long time player of a pwe game I can tell you first hand that even if it isn't apparent at the moment that it will be a pay2win game it will be without any doubt in my mind. Only reason I still even have the original game I played by them still installed on my comp is cause of long time friends from the game that I occasionally get on and bullshit with from time to time.

PWE has become infamous for this in the majority of their games other than the maybe very select few that you buy outright paying a one time only fee for. Take Perfect World International for instance (this is the game I've played by them for nearly 4 years now) the game was a great game pre genie patch and was even fairly balanced in terms of pvp and pve. Now its extremely pay to win. The only way to get the best armor in game is from items from the cash shop granted you can buy the real cash currency with the in game currency via a gold buying/selling function in their auction house however, the items needed to get the best end game equipment is only attainable through cash shopping. Be it from buying the items required from some other player with ingame currency or spending your own cash. If in all fairness you actually farmed the items attainable in game there may be (and I do mean may be) have been enough time for maybe one person per server to actually have farmed the required items through in game events.

 

I'll put it this way,

 

Item requirements are for the full set

300,000 reputation- by the time your around end game lvl you may have about 10k unless you've spent a few thousand hours grinding mobs that drop items that can give 10-25 reputation and the 2-5 rep you can get by grinding repeatable quests.This alone would literally take years had they not put stacks of 10-25-50 of the items that give you 25 reputation in the cash shop.

 

Medals of glory 32 needed over all I beleive- 25$ a peice in the catshop or the 1 that is given to a random territory owned by any specific faction 1 time a month or something like that.

 

General summers tokens around 190 are needed in all- can be made with an item called mysterious chips takes 9999 chips to make 1 GST. you can if your good and the cube event farm probably 50-100 a day (given you get 55 each day from the daily bounty hunter quest you would get that many) Again this item is sold in large stacks in the cash shop just like the rep badges. Inexpensive to a degree (basically you get about 500 for 10-15 cents) but add up how many you need to get the final product and it gets to be over 600$ easy for the most part.

 

The fact is pwe has gotten extremely happy with power selling as they have a few ppl on certain servers with pretty much endless cash flow they can dump into the game Theres one person with a character that is well known for having spent probably close to 40-50 thousand dollars on this game to be one of the top elite built characters and this isn't a lie he really just has enough money to throw away like that. Furthermore even after you get that set you'll spend months farming the other stuff in game to go through the process of recasting it into its better stated set 2 more times after you even get it. If you spent just the cash for this set of armor it'd cost you nearly around 2k usd You'd also be amazed at how many people have actually been brainwashed into getting it cause basically you will not be competitive in any end game aspect without it anymore there is no set of gear that is attainable without using some form of the cash shop (be it purchasing it from another player with ingame currency or your own real life cash) that is even close to being on par.

 

Pw was pwe's biggest starter basically as well it was their headliner game i mean its pretty much named directly after the company. Thankfully they have somewhat of a decent Community manager at the moment others in the past were horrible alls they ever told us when there was an issue that needed fixing is "Soon" this was pretty much the anwser for when we could expect game breaking bugs to be fixed/eploiters/botters go untouched as most of them are pretty much large csers as well as possibly staff members of the company.

 

My suggestion is if you see a game being hosted by this company even if it looks pretty and polished and fun be wary of it cause in the long run they'll ruin it alls you'd have to do is visit the F2p forums of any one of their games and see how much of it is issues vs happiness of the consumers.

  Yaevindusk

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4/16/13 1:13:18 AM#47

 

I feel like I've been baited an switched.  The title gives off a negative and bias approach to "reviewing" a game, and pretty much sets the stage of what to expect.  All the while it has no actual evidence to warrant such a title other than people seeing, potentially not reading it to see that it's all opinions, and come off as negative to a game that isn't even out and will be free to try.

 

I'm not even sure if this is a serious post in all honesty.  I feel the fool for even responding to it, so I won't go into the myriad of reasons that I can't get away from the feeling that it just seems like a bias or disgruntled troll.  Honestly, it just seems like the OP wants to force feed us opinions what with the inappropriate (in the sense that he doesn't even try to justify it by going into detail in the actual post) title to be seen by people who may not actually read the thread (almost in a "hey, look at me and how I'm right without actually proving it" kind've way).

 

If you're serious with this post, then I apologize for the harsh critique and how I'm of the persuasion you're a troll.  I would suggest not "setting the mood" with the title without going into ample reasons as to why you did it with your actual text in the future.  It just gives that vibe that you didn't even try to be unbias and are just taking a jab at potential fans, or intentially trying to scare off potential customers of a free game that someone may in fact actually joy other than yourself.  Thank you for your well intentions if you were sincere in this post, and please try to post more responsibly in the future if you weren't.

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  neorandom

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4/16/13 1:13:20 AM#48
Originally posted by JDogg126
Originally posted by Logansan
Sounds like a good honest review. I didn't get into Beta so I can agree or disagree with anything, but you have (sadly) confirmed what I expected the game I would end up like. I'll likely still end up trying it as a few of my friends are looking forward to it, but it's starting to looks like it may be one of those short one month visits to a MMORPG that seems to the trend these day.

It's a highly biased review from someone who had pretty much unrealistic expectations from the onset.  There was no way that this was going to be a game with free form classes nor was there any chance that this game would match the level of production value recently launched games that cost millions more to make.  If a fool gave a review, this would be what it looks like.

The game is fun to play.  The dungeons are cool.  The foundry stuff can really be amazing.  The graphics are actually very well done within the chosen art styling.  There could be a great deal of "replay value" here for a free to play game.  You don't need to put any money at all into the cash shop to get the full game.  You don't need to buy a founder pack either if you choose not to.  If I had to give it criticism I'd say it would be nice if there were 1) more character appearance options; 2) a wider visual variety of gear and weapons; and 3) more of the core classes from the players handbook at the start of open beta.  But all those things can get addressed throughout the open beta (soft launch).

If you are only interested in quick xp, getting to max level so you can start in on tier end game content then you should concentrate on the mainstream game in the genre that has that stuff in spades plus has cute pandas, built-in farmland, and built-in pokemon challenges too.

i watched the developer videos, the footages from game conventions, what i saw and heard was that the devs were all excited over what they were making, i saw combat that actually looked awesomely fun, i saw dungeons and dragons neverwinter, and i invested in a hero of the north pack.  i cant wait to waist a few hundred hours on this game =)

  Elikal

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4/16/13 12:17:35 PM#49
I played to level 24 or so, and never felt I needed to buy anything from the cash shop. What exactly did you think you NEED to buy from the Zen Shop? I really don't understand what you mean.

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  Ayurox

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4/16/13 2:10:21 PM#50
Pretty much all being said about the cash shop selling items to power up your char is all wrong, all those that wanne believe the troll do so the real neverwinter players know this aint true so enjoy all 
  winter

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4/16/13 2:34:32 PM#51
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by winter
Originally posted by Logansan
Sounds like a good honest review. I didn't get into Beta so I can agree or disagree with anything, but you have (sadly) confirmed what I expected the game I would end up like. I'll likely still end up trying it as a few of my friends are looking forward to it, but it's starting to looks like it may be one of those short one month visits to a MMORPG that seems to the trend these day.

  and you believe him???

 First of all the founder pack is $40 not $60 and since you don't need anything after that how in the hell did he spend $80? I call bullshit.

 

  Neverwinter does have some bugs in beta, and it will no doubt have other problems but graphics and cash shop were not problems to me. The graphics were better then most MMO's  out currently (wow, LoTRO, SW:Tor etc) sure maybe not terra quality but then terra's quests are just gruesomely dull..

 

  As i said other then the $40 founders pack i didn't have to spend money on anything and didn't feel i needed to. the founders pack also comes with a mount, a companion and astral diamonds should i ever feel i need those things. I seriously have to question the OP's comments about the cash shop at least as of beta 4 as it didn't even figure in needed way.

   Now as to the dungeon finder i can't say if your expecting to it to put together a balanced group for you with a cleric, mage, tank, and rogue i'd say your expecting too much.

pack is $60 always has been.. you thinking of dragons prophet maybe?

http://nw.perfectworld.com/founderspack

 

but i do agree the CS is nothing to get up and arms about.. you really need nothing on there to play and enjoy the game unlike some other f2p games cash shops...

  My bad to many beta's. Sad i can't remmeber the correct information my apologies to the Op and anyone else for the mix up in founder pack price.

   Still as far as F2P goes Neverwinter seems better then most (better then Lortho, DDO, or Eq2) Op's arguement seems to be not that one is required to buy anything to play at this point anyway, but that he wants to buy the extra cosmetic suff and its too expensive,.

   Think i'd rather play in a F2P game where i don't have to pay for stats or to use items or open up areas, or have a functional UI that had expensive comsetic items then a F2P game where the comestics were cheap, but i had to pay everytime i wanted to equipe a better item, or go to a new area, or have more then 2 hot bars etc.

  winter

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4/16/13 2:38:19 PM#52
Originally posted by Bigbadwlf
Originally posted by winter
Originally posted by Tsumoro

Sorry, but I think I am a little late to the party on this one. I had fully intended to come and enjoy Neverwinter but all this talk withing the thread about the pay2win stuff etc has made me somewhat wary. 

Would anyone who has played please give me an example of the pay2win situation going on? Like, what exactly do you 'have' to pay for in order to succeed?

 

Thank you for your time, I am a big DnD fan and this sounds potentially a deal breaker for me >.<

 Nothing, as the Op is posting incorrect information 

Pplayed didn't have to spend anything had complete acess to all classes and all areas. Unlike EQ2 or DDO there was nothing I could see the cash shop sold that would increase my stats or that I needed to equipe better items. While i expect one may have to pay to get the new classes when they are released there is nothing currently one needs to spend cash on. I didn't fwwl any real need for a mount or companion both of which one gets with the founders pack on releaase and both of which can be gotten in game via quests or gold.

 

  Ask yourself this easy question who spends money on items in beta that will be wiped at the end of the weekend? the Op says he spent $80 doesn't say on what just claims he spent that much even though it will all be wiped by the 25Th. Does that make sense? Do you believe him? theres a certain lack of reasoning there that smells of troll

The only one spreading incorrect information is you.  You still think the founder's pack is $40?  Go away troll.

  As you can see i was corrected and apologiesed to you and others in previous post. Now what did you feel you needed to spend money on in a beta? Really I'd like to know honestly.

  Theocritus

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4/16/13 2:44:00 PM#53
OP has spent 80 dollars on the game already and it is still in beta?
  Aderew

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4/16/13 3:10:35 PM#54
Originally posted by Theocritus
OP has spent 80 dollars on the game already and it is still in beta?

Good observasion ... some people want to watch the NW burn.

  Bigbadwlf

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OP  4/17/13 10:56:42 AM#55

Yes, I did spend $80 on the game before launch and there's a lot more players that spent even more than me.  Perfect World had a deal that if you spend the money now on Zen they would give you bonus Zen later, but that's only if you spent it before April 30th.

http://www.neverwinter-online.com/2013/04/12/get-more-zen-for-neverwinter/

The point is that all these people that tell you this game's cash shop is fine, they are full it.  These Neverwinter fanboys know that they will never buy anything from the cash shop, but they know someone has to.  People like you and me, who have disposible income and impulsive enough to dump a lot of money into something without knowing the value of what they brought.

I'll be the first one to admit that I screwed up I brought a lot of stuff from the cash shop that I shouldn't have.  That's why I made the post to protect others from making the same mistake.  A lot players here are going to straight up lie to you and tell you there's nothing wrong with the cash shop.  They are not looking out for our self interest, they want you to fund their play time, and it's unethical practices that the impulsive few should fund the gameplay of the many.

The PWE cash shop prices are fixed to obtain maximum profits from the smallest percentage of the player base.  You might be in that 90% of players that will never spend a dime on this game's cash shop, but if are that 10% of players like me who do tend to buy virtual goods.  Neverwinter is designed to squeeze you harder than any other MMO I have played.

  ranncore

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4/17/13 11:03:49 AM#56
Originally posted by Bigbadwlf

They want you to pay for their game!

Outrageous! And paying for the game completely ruined your experience, eh? But why? Was it because all these items you paid for were pay2win? Was it because they weren't pay2win? One fail post after another and you have yet to explain exactly how the cash shop has ruined anything, besides that they managed to get you to spend money!

  Nadia

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4/17/13 11:07:59 AM#57
Originally posted by Bigbadwlf

If your a player that tends to buy cash shop items from other games. Don't play this game! PWE will take you for a ride.  Don't listen to these people that are telling you the cash shop prices are fine and then you will never need to buy anything from the cash shop.  They want you to pay for their game!

the list has some hi priced items but most things look reasonable to me

 

especially services

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?130931-Zen-Store-Item-List-Prices

*Services*
-Change Appearence Token z200
-Character Slots X2 z500
-Companion Active Slots z350
-Companion Idle Slots X4 z100
-Manycoins Bank Slots X8 z600
-Rename Token z400
-Retrain Token z500

 

DDO and EQ2 both charge MORE  for extra character slots

even WOW wants much more for change appearance -- 15.00

  Bigbadwlf

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OP  4/17/13 11:14:54 AM#58
Originally posted by ranncore
Originally posted by Bigbadwlf

They want you to pay for their game!

Outrageous! And paying for the game completely ruined your experience, eh? But why? Was it because all these items you paid for were pay2win? Was it because they weren't pay2win? One fail post after another and you have yet to explain exactly how the cash shop has ruined anything, besides that they managed to get you to spend money!

Because you can't read. I posted several links on the first post. Read them.

 

  ranncore

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4/17/13 11:16:54 AM#59
Originally posted by Bigbadwlf
Originally posted by ranncore
Originally posted by Bigbadwlf

They want you to pay for their game!

Outrageous! And paying for the game completely ruined your experience, eh? But why? Was it because all these items you paid for were pay2win? Was it because they weren't pay2win? One fail post after another and you have yet to explain exactly how the cash shop has ruined anything, besides that they managed to get you to spend money!

Because you can't read. I posted several links on the first post. Read them.

I'm aware of what the prices are, but I don't see how convincing you that they were worth paying for ruins the game? Sounds like you're just a bitter sucker. 

That's not even to say that all your zen and AD are going to be refunded on the 25th anyways, and all these prices are subject to change, as they have already throughout the beta weekends. 

  Yyrkoon_PoM

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4/17/13 11:20:47 AM#60

The game is still in Beta, so I am almost 100% certain that things will change in the game/cash shop prior to the live launch.  Beta reviews while a good read become out dated fairly quickly.

As to the cash shop prices and some feeling that they are footing the bill for other players who do not buy things from the cash shop .... welcome to the nature of f2p games.  f2p games are funded by whales who spend a lot of money and that is why cash shops will always have some items that have a ridiculous price on it (because a whale is either willing to pay that price or unable to resist the item).

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