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  kjempff

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4/14/13 9:05:15 PM#21

Gathered from listening to chat in cb3:

There was a general agreement that without buying bag(s) of holding it would be too painful to play.

Some also claimed that you need to buy keys to enter higher dungeons, or atleast farming them would be ridiculous in terms of hous per key.

 

Would like to hear from people who got higher levels and more playing experience, what do you think is needed as a minimum to see most of the game (not including pvp) ?

 

Merc ? Pet ? Power of items from drops/quests compared to Z bought gear ?

  emperorwings

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4/14/13 9:22:55 PM#22
That's why I won't play PW games

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  Acidon

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4/14/13 9:47:30 PM#23
Originally posted by Aerowyn
i'm curious for graphics.. now I know they aren't the best but honestly look a lot better than say Swtor or Rift imho.. i'm curious if people upped the sliders all the way.. going to max on the bar doesn't actually max out the graphics.. you can move most the sliders under advanced up to 200-300%.. also if you click troubleshooting at the bottom of the graphics tab you can enable directx 11 support(although havent' noticed much difference doing that)

Any time I see someone trashing on Rift's graphics I have to wonder if they are playing it on an old 286 or something. =)

IMO, on high settings, it's easily one of the best looking MMOs out.  I'm not arguing, as we all perceive things differently, but I can't believe people think NW visuals are better than Rift. 

SWTOR? Sure.. They have a bonified mess over there with their heavily modified beta (alpha?) engine.

 

I only played NW during one of the betas.  It didn't leave a lasting impression is about all I can say.  It may be a terrific game for some (and I hope that it is!), but I was left feeling disappointed, being such a DnD fan.

 

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  Aerowyn

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4/14/13 9:51:36 PM#24
Originally posted by Acidon
Originally posted by Aerowyn
i'm curious for graphics.. now I know they aren't the best but honestly look a lot better than say Swtor or Rift imho.. i'm curious if people upped the sliders all the way.. going to max on the bar doesn't actually max out the graphics.. you can move most the sliders under advanced up to 200-300%.. also if you click troubleshooting at the bottom of the graphics tab you can enable directx 11 support(although havent' noticed much difference doing that)

Any time I see someone trashing on Rift's graphics I have to wonder if they are playing it on an old 286 or something. =)

IMO, on high settings, it's easily one of the best looking MMOs out.  I'm not arguing, as we all perceive things differently, but I can't believe people think NW visuals are better than Rift. 

SWTOR? Sure.. They have a bonified mess over there with their heavily modified beta (alpha?) engine.

 

I only played NW during one of the betas.  It didn't leave a lasting impression is about all I can say.  It may be a terrific game for some (and I hope that it is!), but I was left feeling disappointed, being such a DnD fan.

 

wasn't trashing Rift's graphics(guess lumping it with swtor is a little:P) I think they are very well done overall.. but overall side by side I feel NW is better in this department.. Rift has bigger more open zones and such but overall graphics quality i like NW better

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  evicton

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4/14/13 10:40:51 PM#25

Thinking this game won't have p2w items and be heavily tied to the cash shop. Is setting yourself up for alot of disappointment later on. As an STO player, the way cryptic/pw work you have two options, you learn to accept that the cash shop is like this and deal with it as you decide (grinding for the currency to buy zen or buying zen outright with real world cash). Or you prolly will end up just walking away.

 

Look at STO, all the best ships require the cash shop. Even after all the talk about the best ships now being 'fleet ships' that are acquired ingame not a C-Store purchase. But, even these ships require the C-store but before that you get to earn some fleet credits and (unless you join a guild that can already make tier 5 ships) grind you and your fleetmates eyes out to unlock whats needed then waits hours or days, then grind some more, then wait. After all that then you gotta payup for 4 fleet ship modules sold in the c-store for 5 bucks a shot. Now you can buy the ship modules from the exchange but you'll have to earn the 10,000,000 and buy the modules one at a time because a silver member is locked at a 10 mil max energy credit limit. Unless you wanna buy that from the store for 500 zen. Or you can grind dilithum and convert that to zen.

Either way there is no ignoring the cash shop. If you want to play and be any good you have to acquire cash shop items from someplace. So essentially you end up playing so you don't have to pay.

You have to be willing to accept that to be able to play pretty much all pw games, its pay or grind but you'll still need cash shop items at some point. If you can't accept that I'd really reccomend against tring to play a pw game.

  azzamasin

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4/15/13 7:02:06 AM#26
Originally posted by Bigbadwlf
I'm going to try to summarize my feelings of playing Neverwinter.  I was actually a huge Champions Online fan, I thought that game's design was pure genius and innovative.  The combat was great, the open ended class system was great, the hero customization was great.  Public quests were fun, crafting wasn't that good, but it was passable.  What I was hoping Neverwinter would turn out be a fantasy MMO with CO's level of character customization, all in a nice free to play package.  I was truly excited.

What I got was basically D&D Cash Shop Online, the sequel to Star Trek Cash Shop Online.  I don't blame Cryptic, I blame Perfect World, I feel that the developer really wanted to make a great game, but were force to gate the content through the Zen store and it's absurd prices.  I'm going to rate my impressions in 5 categories compared to other games that I have played.

Graphics: 5
easily the most ugliest modern MMO I have ever played.  I want you to keep in mind that when I played Beta 3 for free I didn't mind the graphics at all, but when I had to plop down $60 to try out beta 4, I really had to take notice of what I was paying for.  And this game is really ugly compared to pretty much every MMO released in the last 5 years.

Story Presentation: 6
Voice acting is nice, I actually like the fact that the voice acting continues even when you have left the NPC.  You basically get to do the quest while given context of what you're actually doing.  Unfortunately it turns out that maybe less than half the quests I get are actually voice acted, which is disappointing.  There was one quest line that I absolutely loved where this evil Elf was turning people into demons.  But overall I really had no idea what was going on, and this game didn't see interested in spending production dollars making me care compared to other MMOs.  Even Guild Wars 2.

Progression: 5
Dungeon Finder is a joke, I got grouped with two tanks and no healer.  Luckily I had a Cleric companion so my GF didn't die.  Exp for the dungeon is a joke, I could have soloed 3 regular quests and have gotten better exp.  Also the green dungeon drops were a joke, green armor upgrades drop like rain, and you can buy blue armor from the NPCs in town.  If the dungeons are worthless that automatically makes the Foundry worthless.  Questing is alright, the exp is great, but the missions are pretty linear, no alternative leveling zones or anything to make questing interesting. Exp from crafting is worthless.  Everything from crafting is worthless.  PvP was pretty fun, but once again the exp is poor.

Combat:8
Easily the best feature in this game, combat was exciting, the classes seem pretty balance, except for the Great Weapon Fighter, but I haven't tried him.  I like the feature where you can choose which abilities you want while leveling, even though it ultimately doesn't matter much.  What hurts the combat is the severe lack of buttons.  I thought GW2 was smoking something when they restricted players to 10-15 abilities, but you only get 7 Max in Neverwinter?  I took a gamble and was hoping that the companions would make up for the lack of abilities and play a bigger role in the combat.  Especially if PW was charging $10-$30 for these creatures, but they weren't worth the price tag.


Exploration: 4
Is there anything fun to do in this game besides kill stuff? Nope.  Crafting is garbage, you can just look at any other post on the official forums to see what I mean. I guess you can work on the Foundry, but that strongly depends on if the foundry missions are actually worth doing in this game, and if it doesn't drop blue quality or higher armor, then the answer is no.

My User average: 5.6

Let's see the score after I factor in that I had already spent $80 on this game because of insane Z-Store prices.
Total score: 0

let's see the score if this game was actually a truly free to play game without the Z-Store
Total Score: 7.5

Conclusion:  If you can figure out a way to play this game without having to ever spend a single cent in the Z-Store, then this game is pretty decent.  However I was not one of those people.  I do feel that I did not get my money's worth from this game, the Z-store prices are too high.  I feel I have been robbed and I will not play this game ever again, nor will I play any other game PW / Cryptic makes.

The only thing I agree with you is the Zen Store prices are really high.  Mounts and Companions should cost no more then $25.00 and the Bags should cost no more then $5.00  Other then that disagree with most what you stated.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  theniffrig

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4/15/13 7:21:29 AM#27

Most of the Zen store items are overpriced (and i'm saying that as a Founder who bought all 3 founders packs.).

However the game is f2p. You don't have to spend a dime to be able to download the game and level a character to max level and to take part in every quest & foundry quest the game has to offer. The only thing that you will lose by playing the game without spending your own money is your own time. It will take you along time to grind up enough Astral Diamonds (in game currency) to trade on the Zen exchange for the Zen you need to buy cash shop items. That is the case with F2p games. To want every item from the store within a week or two, without paying any money, isn't realistic & reasonable people know this.

 

 

  Bigbadwlf

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OP  4/15/13 7:26:53 AM#28

I'll be up front and admit that I was somewhat desperate to play a new MMO, I had been a huge fan of Cryptic games in the past, but I couldn't get my friends to play with me on non-fantasy MMOs.  When I heard Neverwinter was coming out and it would have action combat and free to play, I was sold.

This post is really just my impressions of the game, it was never meant to be taken comprehensively, but if you have any specific questions about the cash shop I can link you to more detailed posts other than mine. I'm just here to confirm the fears of the many players here that Neverwinter is nothing more than a generic cash grab MMO with a D&D IP. 

Even though I do like Cryptic, they have made a lot of mistakes in the past with their previous MMOs, and they have a bad reputation within the MMO community.  I was very willing to give them a second chance to redeem themselves, but it seems that Perfect World Entertainment is the new (old?) EA and they ruined Cryptic's game with their absurd cash shop prices.  That's why I said I would never play anything they make again, they used up all their chances with me.

If you're a huge fan of the game I could care less, but if you are a player like me hoping that Cryptic would do right with Neverwinter IP and expecting a truly free to play MMO experience like Tera, or at least B2P like GW2.  You need to learn from my mistake and stay away from this game.

Edit: For people saying that you can get stuff in the game for free that's irrelevant.  I like buying stuf from the cash shop, I don't want to grind for things, I have money.  I just believe that if I should get the value that I am paying for.

  Nadia

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4/15/13 7:36:49 AM#29
Originally posted by Aerowyn

Taken from official forums.. only one I see people having issues with are the life scrolls

doesnt seem bad to me

the LOTRO cash shop is worse -- LOTRO sells tradeskill components too

  Ayurox

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Joined: 10/06/06
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4/15/13 7:39:23 AM#30
Originally posted by Bigbadwlf
I'm going to try to summarize my feelings of playing Neverwinter.  I was actually a huge Champions Online fan, I thought that game's design was pure genius and innovative.  The combat was great, the open ended class system was great, the hero customization was great.  Public quests were fun, crafting wasn't that good, but it was passable.  What I was hoping Neverwinter would turn out be a fantasy MMO with CO's level of character customization, all in a nice free to play package.  I was truly excited.

What I got was basically D&D Cash Shop Online, the sequel to Star Trek Cash Shop Online.  I don't blame Cryptic, I blame Perfect World, I feel that the developer really wanted to make a great game, but were force to gate the content through the Zen store and it's absurd prices.  I'm going to rate my impressions in 5 categories compared to other games that I have played.

Graphics: 5
easily the most ugliest modern MMO I have ever played.  I want you to keep in mind that when I played Beta 3 for free I didn't mind the graphics at all, but when I had to plop down $60 to try out beta 4, I really had to take notice of what I was paying for.  And this game is really ugly compared to pretty much every MMO released in the last 5 years.

Story Presentation: 6
Voice acting is nice, I actually like the fact that the voice acting continues even when you have left the NPC.  You basically get to do the quest while given context of what you're actually doing.  Unfortunately it turns out that maybe less than half the quests I get are actually voice acted, which is disappointing.  There was one quest line that I absolutely loved where this evil Elf was turning people into demons.  But overall I really had no idea what was going on, and this game didn't see interested in spending production dollars making me care compared to other MMOs.  Even Guild Wars 2.

Progression: 5
Dungeon Finder is a joke, I got grouped with two tanks and no healer.  Luckily I had a Cleric companion so my GF didn't die.  Exp for the dungeon is a joke, I could have soloed 3 regular quests and have gotten better exp.  Also the green dungeon drops were a joke, green armor upgrades drop like rain, and you can buy blue armor from the NPCs in town.  If the dungeons are worthless that automatically makes the Foundry worthless.  Questing is alright, the exp is great, but the missions are pretty linear, no alternative leveling zones or anything to make questing interesting. Exp from crafting is worthless.  Everything from crafting is worthless.  PvP was pretty fun, but once again the exp is poor.

Combat:8
Easily the best feature in this game, combat was exciting, the classes seem pretty balance, except for the Great Weapon Fighter, but I haven't tried him.  I like the feature where you can choose which abilities you want while leveling, even though it ultimately doesn't matter much.  What hurts the combat is the severe lack of buttons.  I thought GW2 was smoking something when they restricted players to 10-15 abilities, but you only get 7 Max in Neverwinter?  I took a gamble and was hoping that the companions would make up for the lack of abilities and play a bigger role in the combat.  Especially if PW was charging $10-$30 for these creatures, but they weren't worth the price tag.


Exploration: 4
Is there anything fun to do in this game besides kill stuff? Nope.  Crafting is garbage, you can just look at any other post on the official forums to see what I mean. I guess you can work on the Foundry, but that strongly depends on if the foundry missions are actually worth doing in this game, and if it doesn't drop blue quality or higher armor, then the answer is no.

My User average: 5.6

Let's see the score after I factor in that I had already spent $80 on this game because of insane Z-Store prices.
Total score: 0

let's see the score if this game was actually a truly free to play game without the Z-Store
Total Score: 7.5

Conclusion:  If you can figure out a way to play this game without having to ever spend a single cent in the Z-Store, then this game is pretty decent.  However I was not one of those people.  I do feel that I did not get my money's worth from this game, the Z-store prices are too high.  I feel I have been robbed and I will not play this game ever again, nor will I play any other game PW / Cryptic makes.


Graphics: 5
Personally I have no idea what your talking about cause when I played the graphic are quite nice, ok its not Guildwars 2 or A Single player Graphics but a 5 ??? This make me wonder how far  you have gotten and how high your resolution is at. My rating on the Graphic is definitly a 7.5-8

Story Presentation: 6
On this matter I agree on 1 fact and I disagree on the other. Foundy is a great aspec given to the players to make there own story. I would give this also 6-7

Progression: 5
Progression for me is pretty much nothing about what you wrote you only complained about the dungeon finder and some other stuff regarding exp, in my opinion Progression is al about your charachter development, as I do find that there is no really indept about this fact my rating would still be 6 as they changed the way of the talent tree working and  this should give them more future posibilities which im quite sure they will  use and change

Combat:8
Hands down sweet combat system definitly worth imo 9 !!!


Exploration: 4
I havent done much of this myself so im gonna leave this rating out, still tho rating of 4 seems quite little ...


My global score for everyone wanting to try out Neverwinter will be a rating 7.5, the game has some great stuff inside it and is definitly worth trying out.

I myself bought the North of the Hero Pack of 200$ and I still dont regret it. In the guild im in we are already with 8 ppl that have bought the Hero pack and some more the neverwinter.

 

This is a personal choice and everyone should make a decision for themself.

 

I do admit that the shop price are way to expensive but they are not necessary and overtime you can get them just by playing and exchaning diamonds for zen !!!

 

GL and have fun for those that are about to join the world of  Neverwinter :-)

  Aerowyn

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4/15/13 7:43:47 AM#31
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Aerowyn

Taken from official forums.. only one I see people having issues with are the life scrolls

doesnt seem bad to me

the LOTRO cash shop is worse -- LOTRO sells tradeskill components too

 

yea played many f2p games with far worse CS than this one...

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Lord.Bachus

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I believe in life before death... So dont forget to enjoy it while you still can.

4/15/13 9:12:19 AM#32
Originally posted by Aerowyn
i'm curious for graphics.. now I know they aren't the best but honestly look a lot better than say Swtor or Rift imho.. i'm curious if people upped the sliders all the way.. going to max on the bar doesn't actually max out the graphics.. you can move most the sliders under advanced up to 200-300%.. also if you click troubleshooting at the bottom of the graphics tab you can enable directx 11 support(although havent' noticed much difference doing that)

Graphics are highly tweakable, tough going above 100% with the sliders felt kind of strange,... but it added a lot of nice views to the game..

 

I think the graphics are quite good, tough in some open world zones they where underwhelming... Dungeons however where top knotch and annimations first class

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations)
Currently playing : The Elder Scrolls Online

  Randayn

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4/15/13 9:30:29 AM#33

I actually think the graphics are really nice...maybe Im alone on that, but the atmosphere and graphics work really well together....

As another poster said and as is blatantly obvious in your post, you only see to care about the loot drops??  Personally, I've had better loot drops in this game than most modern MMORPG's.  

Please dont compare GW2's skills to this one...at least you have a choice in this game which ones you'd like to set up on your hotbar...with GW2 you are stuck with what your weapon gives you...Also, just my personal opinion but the skills in Neverwinter all compliment each other quite well...no "useless" skills that you are forced to invest in

as for the cash shop, yes, prices are steep, but they could be lowered....who knows.  either way, you can easily survive without the cash shop...nothing in it is a necessity.

Dungeons were alot of fun for me....loved the built in damage meter as well...the loot drops on the first actual dungeon (not skirmish) were pretty awesome...got new shoulders that had spikes on them....was very badass lookin.  

The only thing I dont like in game is the crafting, but I that's something i dont care much about for this game...

  Aerowyn

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4/15/13 11:14:32 AM#34
Originally posted by Bigbadwlf

I'll be up front and admit that I was somewhat desperate to play a new MMO, I had been a huge fan of Cryptic games in the past, but I couldn't get my friends to play with me on non-fantasy MMOs.  When I heard Neverwinter was coming out and it would have action combat and free to play, I was sold.

This post is really just my impressions of the game, it was never meant to be taken comprehensively, but if you have any specific questions about the cash shop I can link you to more detailed posts other than mine. I'm just here to confirm the fears of the many players here that Neverwinter is nothing more than a generic cash grab MMO with a D&D IP. 

Even though I do like Cryptic, they have made a lot of mistakes in the past with their previous MMOs, and they have a bad reputation within the MMO community.  I was very willing to give them a second chance to redeem themselves, but it seems that Perfect World Entertainment is the new (old?) EA and they ruined Cryptic's game with their absurd cash shop prices.  That's why I said I would never play anything they make again, they used up all their chances with me.

If you're a huge fan of the game I could care less, but if you are a player like me hoping that Cryptic would do right with Neverwinter IP and expecting a truly free to play MMO experience like Tera, or at least B2P like GW2.  You need to learn from my mistake and stay away from this game.

Edit: For people saying that you can get stuff in the game for free that's irrelevant.  I like buying stuf from the cash shop, I don't want to grind for things, I have money.  I just believe that if I should get the value that I am paying for.

your review title is cash shop ruins everything yet nothing in your review explains why it ruins anything.. you mention the prices are to high, which i agree with but what do you need from the shop? nothing on there from my experience is needed to enjoy the game.. so far this is one of the more reasonable(not in terms of price but items offered) f2p cash shops I have seen.

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  udon

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4/15/13 11:24:16 AM#35
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Bigbadwlf

I'll be up front and admit that I was somewhat desperate to play a new MMO, I had been a huge fan of Cryptic games in the past, but I couldn't get my friends to play with me on non-fantasy MMOs.  When I heard Neverwinter was coming out and it would have action combat and free to play, I was sold.

This post is really just my impressions of the game, it was never meant to be taken comprehensively, but if you have any specific questions about the cash shop I can link you to more detailed posts other than mine. I'm just here to confirm the fears of the many players here that Neverwinter is nothing more than a generic cash grab MMO with a D&D IP. 

Even though I do like Cryptic, they have made a lot of mistakes in the past with their previous MMOs, and they have a bad reputation within the MMO community.  I was very willing to give them a second chance to redeem themselves, but it seems that Perfect World Entertainment is the new (old?) EA and they ruined Cryptic's game with their absurd cash shop prices.  That's why I said I would never play anything they make again, they used up all their chances with me.

If you're a huge fan of the game I could care less, but if you are a player like me hoping that Cryptic would do right with Neverwinter IP and expecting a truly free to play MMO experience like Tera, or at least B2P like GW2.  You need to learn from my mistake and stay away from this game.

Edit: For people saying that you can get stuff in the game for free that's irrelevant.  I like buying stuf from the cash shop, I don't want to grind for things, I have money.  I just believe that if I should get the value that I am paying for.

your review title is cash shop ruins everything yet nothing in your review explains why it ruins anything.. you mention the prices are to high, which i agree with but what do you need from the shop? nothing on there from my experience is needed to enjoy the game.. so far this is one of the more reasonable(not in terms of price but items offered) f2p cash shops I have seen.

That was my take away as well from the beta weekends.

My two biggest gripes with the cash shop in this game is it has stupid random drop boxes which I hate in games.  I would rather pay $40 for a mount than some mystery amount of $1 keys for the chance at a mount.  And two the way that Zen is inserted into the converstion process of gold to diamonds.  

Having said that I still don't find anything in the cash shop as manadatory in any way.

  Bigbadwlf

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OP  4/15/13 6:49:00 PM#36
I just want to give an update that I contacted Perfect World International support and was able to get a full refund on the game, and all my in-game purchases, so I do give them respect for that.

There customer service is really good, and quick and I really do appreciate this. My trust with the company has been restored, but I stand by what I posted earlier. The cash shop prices need to come down drastically.
  winter

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4/15/13 7:03:51 PM#37
Originally posted by Logansan
Sounds like a good honest review. I didn't get into Beta so I can agree or disagree with anything, but you have (sadly) confirmed what I expected the game I would end up like. I'll likely still end up trying it as a few of my friends are looking forward to it, but it's starting to looks like it may be one of those short one month visits to a MMORPG that seems to the trend these day.

  and you believe him???

 First of all the founder pack is $40 not $60 and since you don't need anything after that how in the hell did he spend $80? I call bullshit.

 

  Neverwinter does have some bugs in beta, and it will no doubt have other problems but graphics and cash shop were not problems to me. The graphics were better then most MMO's  out currently (wow, LoTRO, SW:Tor etc) sure maybe not terra quality but then terra's quests are just gruesomely dull..

 

  As i said other then the $40 founders pack i didn't have to spend money on anything and didn't feel i needed to. the founders pack also comes with a mount, a companion and astral diamonds should i ever feel i need those things. I seriously have to question the OP's comments about the cash shop at least as of beta 4 as it didn't even figure in needed way.

   Now as to the dungeon finder i can't say if your expecting to it to put together a balanced group for you with a cleric, mage, tank, and rogue i'd say your expecting too much.

  winter

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4/15/13 7:15:27 PM#38
Originally posted by furbans
Originally posted by Asheram

So you played beta 3 and said graphics were fine for free but didnt cut it for paid but went and paid for beta 4 rather than waiting for the 30th when its free again?

And as far as zen you can buy zen from other players with ingame gold(at least its that way in pwe's games, dont know if they incorporated it into the cryptic games they took over though) granted it takes alot of grinding to get said gold.

I thought it was AD and Zen transactions not gold and Zen.  Gold is about totally and utterly worthless it seems like, no use whatsoever practically beyond buying you start mounts (lvl 20, 40 and 60 ones) even though you have to buy training in AD, cross proffession gatering tool, and pots (even though one should never need to buy em since they drop like crazy).

I agree that the cash shop is a bit extreme.  Having to pay AD stuff left n right is not the way to do buisness.  They should have taken notes from DDO's cash shop.  Had high hopes for Neverwitner, but overall feel that it'll just be another meh typtical F2P MMO.

  As a player of both DDO is very pay to win. Want extra stats you have to pay for them, want better classes (and yes the druid and artificer are more powerfull then the standard classes) you have to pay for them. Died on that run guess you better pay for some spirit cakes.

 

   neverwinter on the other hand i didn't have to pay for anything. If i died i was rez'd at the nearest camp, there was no pay for better stats etc. there maybe at a later date a need to pay for new classes, but as of this betta other then paying for the actual founders pack which gives a mount, astral diamonds, and a companion which evidently I will get upon release i didn't feel i needed to buy anything. heck i didn't even have the items the found pack gives for free and felt no need for them..

 

   Its possible that Neverwinter cash shop maybe worse after release but so far it miles better then DDO's in you don't pay for power nore do you have to pay to uinlock dungeons/areas.  Its better then EQ2's for sure as your not paying just to be able to equipe better items.

 

  Can anyone actually stat how they spent any money besides the founders pack in Neverwinter and if so on what?? (One would also have to ask who would be stupid enough to buy anything in beta when it was gonna be wiped at the end?) 

  Aerowyn

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4/15/13 7:16:10 PM#39
Originally posted by winter
Originally posted by Logansan
Sounds like a good honest review. I didn't get into Beta so I can agree or disagree with anything, but you have (sadly) confirmed what I expected the game I would end up like. I'll likely still end up trying it as a few of my friends are looking forward to it, but it's starting to looks like it may be one of those short one month visits to a MMORPG that seems to the trend these day.

  and you believe him???

 First of all the founder pack is $40 not $60 and since you don't need anything after that how in the hell did he spend $80? I call bullshit.

 

  Neverwinter does have some bugs in beta, and it will no doubt have other problems but graphics and cash shop were not problems to me. The graphics were better then most MMO's  out currently (wow, LoTRO, SW:Tor etc) sure maybe not terra quality but then terra's quests are just gruesomely dull..

 

  As i said other then the $40 founders pack i didn't have to spend money on anything and didn't feel i needed to. the founders pack also comes with a mount, a companion and astral diamonds should i ever feel i need those things. I seriously have to question the OP's comments about the cash shop at least as of beta 4 as it didn't even figure in needed way.

   Now as to the dungeon finder i can't say if your expecting to it to put together a balanced group for you with a cleric, mage, tank, and rogue i'd say your expecting too much.

pack is $60 always has been.. you thinking of dragons prophet maybe?

http://nw.perfectworld.com/founderspack

 

but i do agree the CS is nothing to get up and arms about.. you really need nothing on there to play and enjoy the game unlike some other f2p games cash shops...

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  winter

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4/15/13 7:24:02 PM#40
Originally posted by Tsumoro

Sorry, but I think I am a little late to the party on this one. I had fully intended to come and enjoy Neverwinter but all this talk withing the thread about the pay2win stuff etc has made me somewhat wary. 

Would anyone who has played please give me an example of the pay2win situation going on? Like, what exactly do you 'have' to pay for in order to succeed?

 

Thank you for your time, I am a big DnD fan and this sounds potentially a deal breaker for me >.<

 Nothing, as the Op is posting incorrect information 

Pplayed didn't have to spend anything had complete acess to all classes and all areas. Unlike EQ2 or DDO there was nothing I could see the cash shop sold that would increase my stats or that I needed to equipe better items. While i expect one may have to pay to get the new classes when they are released there is nothing currently one needs to spend cash on. I didn't fwwl any real need for a mount or companion both of which one gets with the founders pack on releaase and both of which can be gotten in game via quests or gold.

 

  Ask yourself this easy question who spends money on items in beta that will be wiped at the end of the weekend? the Op says he spent $80 doesn't say on what just claims he spent that much even though it will all be wiped by the 25Th. Does that make sense? Do you believe him? theres a certain lack of reasoning there that smells of troll

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