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  TheLizardbones

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4/16/13 11:54:12 AM#21


Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by Quirhid In Eve Online, the amount of money you spend goes directly towards the skill point count of your character. Now you can make it go faster or slower depending on implants and whether you have a skill training at all times, but essentially you are paying to level up. Money gives you game time and game time gives you skill points. Therefore, isn't it the same a paying for skill points? Technically, it is a Pay-2-Win game.
Let's take that a step further and say all subscription games are pay to win since you can't advance unless you pay your monthly fee.
Not the same thing. Other, regular, subscription games require effort from the player in order to accumulate power. Eve does not; You get skill points even when you are offline.



If it takes an average of four months to reach a level where you can make a difference in the Eve universe, then the question would be, why doesn't CCP allow people to pay four months worth of subscription all at once to gain that level of skill points? For that matter, what about any MMO? If it takes an average of two months to reach "max effective level", then why don't most MMO publishers accept two months worth of payment and advance players to the "max effective level"?

I don't expect publishers to do this, and to be clear, I don't want them to do this. I just wonder why they don't. If game publishers are universally money grubbing slugs, why aren't they money grubbing more than they are?

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  Raithe-Nor

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4/16/13 1:21:34 PM#22
Originally posted by lizardbones

If it takes an average of four months to reach a level where you can make a difference in the Eve universe, then the question would be, why doesn't CCP allow people to pay four months worth of subscription all at once to gain that level of skill points? For that matter, what about any MMO? If it takes an average of two months to reach "max effective level", then why don't most MMO publishers accept two months worth of payment and advance players to the "max effective level"?

I don't expect publishers to do this, and to be clear, I don't want them to do this. I just wonder why they don't. If game publishers are universally money grubbing slugs, why aren't they money grubbing more than they are?

 

It's because the very people that would pay for the ability to reach max effective level immediately are precisely the people that NEED stratification to make themselves interested in playing the game.  They are called grinders or metagamers, sometimes powergamers..

Note how the F2P system works.  A bunch of people pay nothing at all to try the game out and hover in the lower to mid levels of the game.  These people are what makes the end-gamers feel like they are important.  If you don't believe me, go read all the forum posts of metagamers congratulating themselves for "helping some poor newb from being a total gimp without decent gear."  It's truly comical, because the end-gamers antics are actually preventing any influx in new players.

Its a catch-22 situation.  Gameplay-wise, there is no purpose to levels anymore.  Deleveling now occurs automatically in most WoW clones, so you can't even metagame the way MMOs used to allow.  Since roleplayers simply aren't really involved anymore, there's no purpose for them, either.  But if they got rid of the leveling scheme in MMOs, they would fail even faster than is prevalent.  Metagamers need the illusion of superiority if not the actual fact.

  Vesavius

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4/16/13 1:24:02 PM#23
Originally posted by iixviiiix

Stupid question ?

But let think about it.

In every MMORPG , you have to earn exp and in game gold

Exp for level up and gold to buy things you need

 

Ugh...

  Gardavsshade

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4/16/13 1:27:42 PM#24
Originally posted by iixviiiix

Stupid question ?

But let think about it.

In every MMORPG , you have to earn exp and in game gold

Exp for level up and gold to buy things you need

 

So

What if you can level up with gold and forget about EXP ?

 

imagine your loved MMO with gold act as EXP.

What will player do in a MMO where gold are exp?

How in game economy will change with it ?

 

I interest in how everyone think about a game like that.

EXP with gold factors

 

My engrish's bad so excuse me if it hard to read

This is why I have always opposed cash shops in MMOs. Once the idea gets into Player's heads that buying ingame stuff with real life Money is OK, then one of the next steps is the OP's idea.

Players either see what is wrong with this, or they don't. I miss the days when the ones that didn't get it simply moved along to another form of entertainment.

Bah. I am going to be sick. Make a hole.

  ArChWind

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4/16/13 4:56:53 PM#25

In EQ2 you can buy levels with real cash level with collections. In fact you can buy all your combat arts through masters with station cash and spells too. You can go from level 1 to level 95 and never kill a monster.

 

Power level by trading station cash cards for plat and pay someone else to level yout.

 

if you want that kind of leveling it is there so you can play it your way. :)

 

  Hedeon

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4/16/13 5:08:45 PM#26

think most like to have the several progression ways, but sure why not be able to go earn gold, then go pay a trainer of sorts, for spell upgrades/attribute points.

but then you would be able to buy gold with $´s and then skip the whole leveling/char progression game... obvious ; )   I aint competitive in this way, so wouldnt care if other people decided to ruin the game for themself though

  jazz.be

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4/16/13 6:05:11 PM#27
An exchangeable currency as only progression factor. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
  Loktofeit

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4/16/13 6:38:31 PM#28
Originally posted by iixviiiix

In every MMORPG , you have to earn exp and in game gold

Exp for level up and gold to buy things you need

 

So

What if you can level up with gold and forget about EXP ?

XP as a traded commodity - seems like a neat idea.

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  blackcat35

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4/17/13 7:21:35 PM#29

In DDO they have several in game mechanics to have you gain xp faster than normal.

 

1.) They have pots you can buy from the DDO store where you get bonus xp for several hours, like 50% for 3 hours.

2.)  VIP/paid subscriber can open any quest on elite, its a harder difficulty, but gives you more experience than a normal quest.  After doing 5 elite quests, you get a streak where you earn 50% more xp than a normal quest, if its your first quest in and no one in the quest is above the level limit of the quest.  Also free to play players who TR'ed there characters twice can open quests for that character on Elite.

3.)  Stone of experience let people 8th to 15th go to 16th level.  So using the stone of xp let you jump levels from 8th to 16th just by using the stone.  They did this for newer players who wanted the enjoyment of the new expansion they had out that without the grind of leveling up, since the expansion was minimum of 16th level to get into the new lands.  Eventually stone of xp was removed from normal gameplay, but they add it back in the ddo store occasionally.

4)  If the above methods of getting xp isn't enough, they also offer lesser and greater tomes of xp that are attached one of your characters that lets you earn even more XP than normal.

5)  in game there is two items you can wear that let you get 5% more xp, together they give DM's Vision.  There are pots you can earn in the Cannith Challenges that lets you earn experience faster, but its probably faster to just run quests than run challenges for xp pots.  the cannith challenges are a useful place to get one of a kind items hard to get elsewhere.

 

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  centkin

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4/17/13 7:47:56 PM#30
Asheron's call had XP as a tradable.  Gaerlon's Swords were an example.  Then they had people joining in exp groups as people turned in olthoi tails.  As time passed there were other exp consumables you could acquire.
  iixviiiix

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OP  4/17/13 11:35:44 PM#31

Some people talk like you can't buy exp with real money.

Wasn't there are account sell/buy in every game ?

Isn't it a form of buy exp with real life money ?

You can buy everything in game if you have real money , RMT ready exist from early time of MMOs

 

Aren't Gold are same with EXP , you need to play game to get them.

Only diffrence between them are tradable and untradable.

 

And my question are if you mix 2 of them in 1 , what will turn out. A game with no exp and in game gold act as EXP

use gold to level up instead of EXP.

I want to know how you think gameplay will turn out if it happen.

 

Not something like

"here is a great example why most modern MMO's struggle and fail I feel."

Ect ect ....

 

And gold type i talk about are [in game gold] , not real life money

 

 maybe my Eng are bad so you don't understand what i mean

 

I don't play EVE so i don't know how in game money system of EVE work, but it seem like interest.

  Loktofeit

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4/18/13 1:00:01 AM#32
Originally posted by TheJoda

......here is a great example why most modern MMO's struggle and fail I feel.   Why would you want to buy levels?  The journey should be a important part of the game and journey.  Its this RUSH to end concept so you can PVP and RAID that causes these games to fail.

I don't think you understand the OP. He's talking about buying levels iwth ingame resources, not real life money.

An example would be Asheron's Call, where you can turn in trophy items for XP. Players buy and sell them from each other in AC. Ex: http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Popular_Trophies

While the OP is suggesting gold directly, I prefer the AC style as there is more gameplay and interaction in the process.

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  maplestone

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4/18/13 1:01:22 AM#33
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  maplestone

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4/18/13 1:02:46 AM#34
Originally posted by Loktofeit

I don't think you understand the OP. He's talking about buying levels iwth ingame resources, not real life money.

I thought so too until I encountered his followup post, just above yours ... although maybe I'm getting lost in the anology he's trying to make?

  rojoArcueid

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4/18/13 1:10:18 AM#35

Game companies have to stop adding levels to their mmos. Character progression doesnt necessarily mean filling up an experience bar and climbing up a stair of numbers called levels, much less purchasing them.

  Loktofeit

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4/18/13 8:04:57 AM#36
Originally posted by maplestone
Originally posted by Loktofeit

I don't think you understand the OP. He's talking about buying levels iwth ingame resources, not real life money.

I thought so too until I encountered his followup post, just above yours ... although maybe I'm getting lost in the anology he's trying to make?

Yeah, that one seemed to confuse things more than clarify them as he states "And gold type i talk about are [in game gold] , not real life money" but his examples in the same reply are about using real life money, not in game money.

 

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