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  DanitaKusor

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Joined: 6/17/09
Posts: 550

4/14/13 2:32:15 AM#21

Balancing gear out of the game is not necessarily a bad thing as it evens up competition and makes skill the deciding factor.  However, they have gone a little far where running around naked gives you better stats that you would have clothed.

For example my assassin has 25K life in gear, but naked I'm closed to 29K and have much high pvp stats as well.

The Enlightened take things Lightly

  theoneandonly

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Joined: 12/06/12
Posts: 103

Life - the one and only MMO. All the rest will FAIL!!!!

4/14/13 2:52:58 AM#22
Originally posted by ktanner3

Damn you got wooped by a naked person in a warzone? I don't think I'd be spreading that around if I were you. That's pretty embarassing. 

Maybe players saw LGBT in patch notes and decided to take it to another level ;)

Seriously though, there's nude type orange armour on the cartel market. It's been there for quite sometime.

ha ha ha. very funny.

 

now we see why SWTOR  is still alive. how much did you pay for god mode armor?

  tiefighter25

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Joined: 7/30/12
Posts: 949

4/14/13 3:09:08 AM#23

They have borked PVP in an atempt to make everyone equal.

Some are saying that now gear is not a factor, skill is what decides matches,

This isn't really true. It's still stun fest, but instead of being chain stunned, you quickly wind up dead.

The TTK is so lowered it's close to a FPS warzone, "Boom, headshot!"

Bolster is in efect at level 55. Expect to buy equipment to combat this silliness.

  deniter

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Joined: 9/06/08
Posts: 711

4/14/13 3:24:55 AM#24

Buffing players stat-wise to balance PvP in a game where one of the fundamental basics is to acquire gear is silly.

Isn't the whole idea in MMOs to improve your gear to do better both in PvE and PvP?

  simplius

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Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 979

4/14/13 7:36:41 AM#25

so,,the sun went up, and BW made a booboo

what else is new?

  User Deleted
4/15/13 5:25:39 AM#26
Originally posted by deniter

Isn't the whole idea in MMOs to improve your gear to do better both in PvE and PvP?

No it isnt.

It is idea in CERTAIN TYPE of MMOs. Namely PvE MMOs. Like SWTOR.

  User Deleted
4/15/13 5:28:10 AM#27
Originally posted by FromHell

Cool, REALLY COOL, SO MUCH FUN! Guess I can delete my lvl 34 smuggler now and de-install.

Nah, just go in naked like everyone else lol.

At least it makes WZs more balanced than they ever were. And balance is still out of whack despite that ;P

  Fennris

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Joined: 2/04/07
Posts: 273

4/15/13 12:50:31 PM#28
I can't actually imagine a way that this new bolster system could be more screwed up. There isn't just one thing wrong with it. Even after they fix a bunch of things tonight, I am pretty sure that bolstered endgame pve gear will still be better than the best pvp gear outside of world pvp as some are saying it is now.
  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
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"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

4/16/13 5:37:55 PM#29

2.0.0b Patch Notes

PvP

Note: For more details about these changes, please visit this post.

  • The effect of Bolster on empty item slots has been decreased.
  • Due to itemization changes, Expertise has been removed from all War Hero and Elite War Hero pieces except for weapon crystals.

 

Naked Bolster

  • The main change being made to Bolster is how it treats item slots with no items in them aka the naked bolster. If there is a slot without an item in it, that slot will only be bolstered a portion of what placing an appropriate item in the slot would. This will remove the naked bolster situation. Being Naked in a PvP area will now be much worse the further you go up the PvP progression.
  • In addition to these changes we fixed many underlying bugs in the Bolster system and tweaked some numbers to make Bolster give a little less stats than it does currently. We also corrected an issue where relic slots were being treated in our system as expected to give out more Main Stats than they were. This caused relic slots to be overly valued in adding to your DPS stats when mostly they add Endurance and a Proc. All of these changes should pretty much squash out Naked Bolster as being undeniably better than any set of gear. There might be cases where Naked is ever so slightly worse but that is usually a case of the equipped gear being not so great for PvP. If you see players in PvP playing Naked from now on you should expect them to be underperforming stat wise and over performing cojones wise.

Elite War Hero
  • War Hero and Elite War Hero (referred to as WH and EWH from here on out) gear is now better! It is no longer worse than Naked Bolster. The reasons why WH/EWH had less stats and were worse than old Bolster is because it is ‘old’ gear and this ‘old’ gear used a different stat budget where it got its stats from. This ‘old’ stat budget (which isn’t used in 2.0) accounts for Expertise into the budget (Partisan and Conqueror do not) meaning they were lower in Main, Secondary and Tertiary stats to account for the Expertise the items had. This will be removed and the stat budget the Expertise was taking be refactored into the Main, Secondary and Tertiary stats. The net result is WH/EWH will have no Expertise and increased stats, but Partisan will still be better than it. The ranking you will see in effectiveness is WH < EWH < Partisan < Conqueror.
  • However, we have an issue with this conversion, the Expertise crystal in the WH/EWH weapons. Because this crystal is used in Partisan and Conquer and the system is unable to edit based on condition which item the crystal in the WH and EWH weapons still have Expertise. It is recommended that you replace this Expertise crystal with PvE crystals. We apologize that we weren’t able to fully take all the Expertise off the WH/EWH and that some players will lose customization, which is very important to us and to you.
  • Older PvP Gear (Battlemaster, Champion, Centurion, Recruit, and Recruit Mk2) did not receive this free upgrade conversion. At this point in the SW:TOR item progression, these items are simply out of date with the current power level and are not recommended for use.
  • There is a very important note in regards to how the bolster system handles mixing expertise and non-expertise mods on a single item: The short answer is, you shouldn’t do it. The longer answer is, players are much better off than when they decide to make an item a PvP-focused item, they replace all of the mods inside it with expertise mods. The bolster system handles “PvP” items slightly differently than “PvE” items, and putting even a single expertise mod inside an item tells the bolster that the item is a “PvP” item. The result of this situation can be less than ideal for a player in either content channel, and certainly isn’t working as well as we intended. We continue to discuss fixes to this particular issue, but players can work around the problem by making sure they are either pure PvE items or pure PvP items. Note: This is only with mods on a per item basis, mixing different items on a full character is fine.

Gear vs. Skill
  • Pre-2.0 PvP was all about your items. Being ‘the best’ meant you had EWH with augments and no one could touch you. This situation was unfortunate because it made the PvP game too harsh on the ‘have nots’ and made the grind to EWH much more bitter because of getting your face pushed in the mud day after day. The gear gap was too big and some players became non-contributors quickly because of the gear gap. It wasn’t fun for the majority of players. In 2.0 we don’t want to totally get rid of PvP gear progression, we still want a gear gap but we want to tone down how overpowered the top tier gear is versus the lower PvP gear so that the moment to moment gameplay is more enjoyable. We want everyone you group with to be contributors from a gear standpoint (them not responding to “inc grass 3” calls or not throwing you the Huttball when they are immobilized is something we can’t help :P). We have seen the argument of Skill vs. Gear throughout the existence of MMO PvP and we are of the opinion both are good for an RPG, falling on one side of the scale (gear has no purpose in PvP vs. gear is the only thing that matters in PvP) is not desirable. It is a balance act, sometimes it will slide too far on one side or the other and we will correct it but this methodology, the balance between skill vs. gear, will result in the most healthy PvP game and community possible for the long term.


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  ktanner3

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4/16/13 5:44:04 PM#30
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

2.0.0b Patch Notes

PvP

Note: For more details about these changes, please visit this post.

  • The effect of Bolster on empty item slots has been decreased.
  • Due to itemization changes, Expertise has been removed from all War Hero and Elite War Hero pieces except for weapon crystals.

 

 

Best news ever. It was a stupid stat to begin with and now we'll see who the real players are. Naturally some  PVP Gods are crying all over the forums over the loss of their "I Win" stat. 

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  Dahkoht

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Joined: 4/03/13
Posts: 289

4/16/13 6:08:14 PM#31

They knew it was bugged before they launched 2.0 , admitted it , and launched it anyway.

Typical for this trainwreck.

  bugmeno

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Joined: 12/15/12
Posts: 87

4/16/13 6:42:12 PM#32

EVENING NEWSFLASH!

"GEAR GRIND GAME REMOVES REASON TO GRIND GEAR!"

 

  simplius

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Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 979

4/16/13 6:55:36 PM#33
Originally posted by Dahkoht

They knew it was bugged before they launched 2.0 , admitted it , and launched it anyway.

Typical for this trainwreck.

shipwreck,,TORtanic, remember?

but it shows how much they care about customers,,and the star wars IP

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1676

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

4/16/13 7:31:12 PM#34
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Dahkoht

They knew it was bugged before they launched 2.0 , admitted it , and launched it anyway.

Typical for this trainwreck.

shipwreck,,TORtanic, remember?

but it shows how much they care about customers,,and the star wars IP

it's fixed... and no MMO comes with bugs right?


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Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Dahkoht

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Joined: 4/03/13
Posts: 289

4/16/13 7:55:47 PM#35
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Dahkoht

They knew it was bugged before they launched 2.0 , admitted it , and launched it anyway.

Typical for this trainwreck.

shipwreck,,TORtanic, remember?

but it shows how much they care about customers,,and the star wars IP

it's fixed... and no MMO comes with bugs right?

They admitted they knew it was there , that it broke warzones essentially , but didnt warn anyone when they launched 2.0 , they waited until people screamed about it , then said , "yes we knew about it , couldnt fix it though".

Why would you white knight any company acting like that's acceptable ?

 

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1676

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

4/16/13 8:58:54 PM#36
Originally posted by Dahkoht
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Dahkoht

They knew it was bugged before they launched 2.0 , admitted it , and launched it anyway.

Typical for this trainwreck.

shipwreck,,TORtanic, remember?

but it shows how much they care about customers,,and the star wars IP

it's fixed... and no MMO comes with bugs right?

They admitted they knew it was there , that it broke warzones essentially , but didnt warn anyone when they launched 2.0 , they waited until people screamed about it , then said , "yes we knew about it , couldnt fix it though".

Why would you white knight any company acting like that's acceptable ?

 

Because I am reasonable.. I am not going to scream and tear my hair out because of minor bug... which obviously would be fixed. If you think that because of this game is not playable and not enjoyable you are wrong.

Sure, would be nice to have everything perfect... but that's not how it's working. Life is not perfect and MMOs are not perfect... not one.

And honestly? If I would have an option to delay Makeb so it can be fixed before launch I would say NOOOOO!!!


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Dahkoht

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Posts: 289

4/16/13 9:16:50 PM#37
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Dahkoht
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Dahkoht

They knew it was bugged before they launched 2.0 , admitted it , and launched it anyway.

Typical for this trainwreck.

shipwreck,,TORtanic, remember?

but it shows how much they care about customers,,and the star wars IP

it's fixed... and no MMO comes with bugs right?

They admitted they knew it was there , that it broke warzones essentially , but didnt warn anyone when they launched 2.0 , they waited until people screamed about it , then said , "yes we knew about it , couldnt fix it though".

Why would you white knight any company acting like that's acceptable ?

 

Because I am reasonable.. I am not going to scream and tear my hair out because of minor bug... which obviously would be fixed. If you think that because of this game is not playable and not enjoyable you are wrong.

Sure, would be nice to have everything perfect... but that's not how it's working. Life is not perfect and MMOs are not perfect... not one.

And honestly? If I would have an option to delay Makeb so it can be fixed before launch I would say NOOOOO!!!

 

Would you buy a car if they knew the on-board dash would not function correctly randombly and they planned on fixing it in a few months ?

Would you buy a house if only a small portion of the roof leaked , knowingly left that way by the builder ?

Why is it resonable for you to white knight everything Bioware does ? Why can they do no wrong by you ?

It genuninely seems like they could burn down your house and you'd smile , make a "lol" remark , and say they did a good job of it.

I guess some people just settle in life.

 

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1676

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

4/16/13 9:22:27 PM#38
Originally posted by Dahkoht
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Dahkoht
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Dahkoht

They knew it was bugged before they launched 2.0 , admitted it , and launched it anyway.

Typical for this trainwreck.

shipwreck,,TORtanic, remember?

but it shows how much they care about customers,,and the star wars IP

it's fixed... and no MMO comes with bugs right?

They admitted they knew it was there , that it broke warzones essentially , but didnt warn anyone when they launched 2.0 , they waited until people screamed about it , then said , "yes we knew about it , couldnt fix it though".

Why would you white knight any company acting like that's acceptable ?

 

Because I am reasonable.. I am not going to scream and tear my hair out because of minor bug... which obviously would be fixed. If you think that because of this game is not playable and not enjoyable you are wrong.

Sure, would be nice to have everything perfect... but that's not how it's working. Life is not perfect and MMOs are not perfect... not one.

And honestly? If I would have an option to delay Makeb so it can be fixed before launch I would say NOOOOO!!!

 

Would you buy a car if they knew the on-board dash would not function correctly randombly and they planned on fixing it in a few months ?

Bug was fixed... and car is costing more then 14 bucks. If defect was minor, I might actually not care if everything elso was great..

Would you buy a house if only a small portion of the roof leaked , knowingly left that way by the builder ?

Maybe I would, it I really liked the house or the area where house was located, knowing that the seller will fix it some day :)

Why is it resonable for you to white knight everything Bioware does ? Why can they do no wrong by you ?

Because I genuinly love the game and all other BioWare games... best of all I've ever played.

It genuninely seems like they could burn down your house and you'd smile , make a "lol" remark , and say they did a good job of it.

Yeah... sure video game has the same weight as house and car

I guess some people just settle in life.

 I just prefer to have fun than complain anf throw fits:)

LOL, how you can compare these things? Damaged car and Leaking roof of the house comparing to insignificant bug? Could you PvP? Yes you could. Was it unplayable? Nope. Also for what I see it was a hilarious fun for those who like to run naked.

Did the PvP bug affected me in any way? Nope. Why would I even PvP if there is a new story to go through any many things to do?

 


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  simplius

Novice Member

Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 979

4/17/13 12:31:24 AM#39
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by Dahkoht

They knew it was bugged before they launched 2.0 , admitted it , and launched it anyway.

Typical for this trainwreck.

shipwreck,,TORtanic, remember?

but it shows how much they care about customers,,and the star wars IP

it's fixed... and no MMO comes with bugs right?

sure,,but explain ,how i could play 3 days of scarlet blade, without seeing one?

not a single DC or game freeze, like swtor does

yea, that discount boob simulator has a better client, than swtor

and if it was my network , or my rig,,then it would be for all mmos,,not only swtor

GW2 doesnt have those problems either

 

  bingbongbros

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Joined: 9/21/10
Posts: 594

4/17/13 5:33:04 AM#40

Even with the recent patch to fix the Naked Bolster the new pvp system is sitll craptastic.

 

People in pve gear get better stats in warzones then people in full pvp gear.  Removing augments in warzones boosts your stats through the roof.  The sorting system keeps making full teams of 50+'s and which = roflstomp for the poor left over group.  And the TTK is so damn fast entire groups get wiped out by aoe's in seconds.

 

2.0 pvp is a complete cluster f%#@

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