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  Dren_Utogi

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4/13/13 10:22:20 AM#241

The only to win this forumbane is if WAR goes completely free to play with a quality items shop, and if it is successful, put the  said person in his place of not knowing which end is up in the 21st century.

 

I'm off to play some free to play titles.

 

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Mtibbs1989

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4/13/13 10:30:33 AM#242
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
The only to win this forumbane is if WAR goes completely free to play with a quality items shop, and if it is successful, put the  said person in his place of not knowing which end is up in the 21st century.

 While I'm not 100% certain that WAR will go F2P. I do believe I've heard/read dev. posts about them researching possiblilities to converting WAR into a F2P title. I believe it's not worth the P2P subscription; especially after the amount of time the game has been out withouts major content updates. If my memory serves correct, they're just now bringing back fortresses which were originally taken out because of stability issues.

 Will this be good for WAR? Sure, it could be. It will definitely revitalize the community. It all depends on how they handle their loyal customers and how they implement their cash shop. 


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  udon

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4/13/13 10:40:53 AM#243

Name the subscription games with zero cash shop features at all?  Now go backwards 3-4 and ask that same question?

There is no such thing as a true subsrciption model anymore.  At least not in AAA titles.  Maybe if CU can avoid the pitfalls of structured funding they could create a niche subscription only game with zero cash shop but that's the best one could hope for. For the rest of the industry some variation of cash shop is here to stay regradless of the entry price, be it Free, Box only price, or Box plus monthly sub.

  Beilis

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4/13/13 10:42:37 AM#244

F2p will continue to be success and p2p has already died.I can count on my 1 hand p2p mmos this year that wil come out.Serously everythink else is f2p now.In p2p everythink is deserted and noone plays its disaster.Only 2 games that really prosper from this model are Eve and Wow.Companies now battle wich one will make best f2p title not p2p titles.This dude :Apocalypse: news is just trying to calm his conscious and find people with his thinking so he can follow p2p model.Its all scheme and bullshit talks.

 

Cant u see that if someone makes p2p title and its not good enough its easy to be thrown in trash just by reviewers or people who bougth game already and share their experience.F2p give chance to these newlly born mmos,p2p burries them and most people wont spend a cent on them.Example is Defiance wich sux so hard and gets shitty reviews all arround.In order to make amazing p2p title DEVS really need to MAKE MASTERPIECE.Not somethink we all seen.For now i dont see that happens

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2893

4/13/13 10:44:32 AM#245
Originally posted by udon

Name the subscription games with zero cash shop features at all?  Now go backwards 3-4 and ask that same question?

There is no such thing as a true subsrciption model anymore.  At least not in AAA titles.  Maybe if CU can avoid the pitfalls of structured funding they could create a niche subscription only game with zero cash shop but that's the best one could hope for. For the rest of the industry some variation of cash shop is here to stay regradless of the entry price, be it Free, Box only price, or Box plus monthly sub.

 Yeah, I believe the current "subscription" model is double dipping with monthly fees and cash shops. I dislike it when I see that WoW or any other subscription game releases content not available to the loyal customers unless they pay additional costs for the bonus content.


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  Mtibbs1989

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4/13/13 10:51:56 AM#246
Originally posted by Beilis
F2p will continue to be success and p2p has already died.I can count on my 1 hand p2p mmos this year that wil come out.Serously everythink else is f2p now.In p2p everythink is deserted and noone plays its disaster.Only 2 games that really prosper from this model are Eve and Wow.Companies now battle wich one will make best f2p title not p2p titles.This dude :Apocalypse: news is just trying to calm his conscious and find people with his thinking so he can follow p2p model.Its all scheme and bullshit talks

  P2P hasn't died. It's just that companies are not making MMO's that have the content and gameplay with a monthly fee. Until they stop catering to these new consumers and create a real MMO I see no point in paying the $15.00 fee. For example http://wakfu.com/ Wakfu is currently the game I'm playing.

 But wait didn't you say you didn't like P2P models?

 I do dislike the P2P model

 

 Then why pay the subscription fee for this game?

 Because they're releasing more content every month than any other developer. Which is why I'm willing to spend $7.00 for a monthly fee. That's right, they're also much cheaper than most developers. Which is also another bonus as to why I play Wakfu.

 

 Does a game need to be a masterpiece?

 I believe that it does not need to be a masterpiece. However, it needs to be able to connect the customer with their character and the world in which their character lives in. How do they do this? Well, one way they can do this is stop making linear or shallow games. People chew through a very linear game in less than a month and it has been proven time and time again. Which is why most games that have tried P2P fail and convert to F2P. They don't have enough content for their players.

 Another way a developer can prolong a games life is to take away the lazy questers UI features. I've seen many games today copy the mods / features of WoW that simply auto-run or show the exact location of where the player is suppose to complete the quest. The developer shouldn't create this type of feature. It defeats the purpose of wanting their customers to play the game for longer periods of time.

 

Will taking away this feature frustrate the customer?

Sure, however it shouldn't be handed to them on a silver platter.


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  gaeanprayer

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4/13/13 10:53:13 AM#247
Meanwhile anyone who plays a P2P game for more than a year has spent more on their game than I ever have on any F2P. WoW'ers have spent how much per month for years + expansions?

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  Dren_Utogi

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Joined: 8/21/10
Posts: 1661

4/13/13 10:59:03 AM#248
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by udon

Name the subscription games with zero cash shop features at all?  Now go backwards 3-4 and ask that same question?

There is no such thing as a true subsrciption model anymore.  At least not in AAA titles.  Maybe if CU can avoid the pitfalls of structured funding they could create a niche subscription only game with zero cash shop but that's the best one could hope for. For the rest of the industry some variation of cash shop is here to stay regradless of the entry price, be it Free, Box only price, or Box plus monthly sub.

 Yeah, I believe the current "subscription" model is double dipping with monthly fees and cash shops. I dislike it when I see that WoW or any other subscription game releases content not available to the loyal customers unless they pay additional costs for the bonus content.

dcuo as my example :

I bought three DLC so far on my account. I have that content for ever as a free to play  player.

If I would subscribe, I get that content for free, but when the sub runs out and I don't renew, that content that I don't own is locked again.

In my opinion, that is pretty good system.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2893

4/13/13 11:05:32 AM#249
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by udon

Name the subscription games with zero cash shop features at all?  Now go backwards 3-4 and ask that same question?

There is no such thing as a true subsrciption model anymore.  At least not in AAA titles.  Maybe if CU can avoid the pitfalls of structured funding they could create a niche subscription only game with zero cash shop but that's the best one could hope for. For the rest of the industry some variation of cash shop is here to stay regradless of the entry price, be it Free, Box only price, or Box plus monthly sub.

 Yeah, I believe the current "subscription" model is double dipping with monthly fees and cash shops. I dislike it when I see that WoW or any other subscription game releases content not available to the loyal customers unless they pay additional costs for the bonus content.

dcuo as my example :

I bought three DLC so far on my account. I have that content for ever as a free to play  player.

If I would subscribe, I get that content for free, but when the sub runs out and I don't renew, that content that I don't own is locked again.

In my opinion, that is pretty good system.

 You know what's funny about DCUO?

I bought the lifetime subscription.

 

Do I regret making this purchase?

 No, the game is great, they occasionally add content. While it's F2P I have access to all future content. Which means I don't have to spend a dime on the game anymore. Nor can anyone say I didn't invest in the title.

 


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  RelGn

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4/13/13 11:07:19 AM#250
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
The only to win this forumbane is if WAR goes completely free to play with a quality items shop, and if it is successful, put the  said person in his place of not knowing which end is up in the 21st century.

 While I'm not 100% certain that WAR will go F2P. I do believe I've heard/read dev. posts about them researching possiblilities to converting WAR into a F2P title. I believe it's not worth the P2P subscription; especially after the amount of time the game has been out withouts major content updates. If my memory serves correct, they're just now bringing back fortresses which were originally taken out because of stability issues.

 Will this be good for WAR? Sure, it could be. It will definitely revitalize the community. It all depends on how they handle their loyal customers and how they implement their cash shop. 

If it's going to be like swtor free to play model no thanks ill pass

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2893

4/13/13 11:09:32 AM#251
Originally posted by RelGn
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
The only to win this forumbane is if WAR goes completely free to play with a quality items shop, and if it is successful, put the  said person in his place of not knowing which end is up in the 21st century.

 While I'm not 100% certain that WAR will go F2P. I do believe I've heard/read dev. posts about them researching possiblilities to converting WAR into a F2P title. I believe it's not worth the P2P subscription; especially after the amount of time the game has been out withouts major content updates. If my memory serves correct, they're just now bringing back fortresses which were originally taken out because of stability issues.

 Will this be good for WAR? Sure, it could be. It will definitely revitalize the community. It all depends on how they handle their loyal customers and how they implement their cash shop. 

If it's going to be like swtor free to play model no thanks ill pass

 Like I said, it all depends on how they handle their F2P model. If it's extemely limited people won't buy into the game.


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  Vorthanion

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4/13/13 3:28:16 PM#252
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

 


Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by Dren_Utogi  

Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by Rthuth434

Originally posted by Vorthanion I sure hope this buisiness model collapses.  I'm tired of the crappy quality games that have resulted from this movement.
are you also tired of all the crappy quality P2P MMO's that continue to release?
I'll take subscription based SWTOR over any of the current F2P pieces of garbage anyday.  
  How did f2p change the content of the game ?
It was designed for subscription, which means it had a higher quality development than those I have played that were F2P from the start

 

Really ? what games would that be ?

I find it a lot higher in quality than Neverwinter or Planetside 2 or any of the plethora of asian F2P monstrosities.  I don't know about Archeage, it may start off as F2P or not, but the jury is still out on whether it's of high quality or not.  As far as I know, Wildstar is starting as subscription as will EverQuest Next and Elder Scrolls Online.  All three of which look good on paper, but we'll see.  The potential already looks better than most games built for F2P from the start.

  Vorthanion

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4/13/13 3:38:02 PM#253
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

The only to win this forumbane is if WAR goes completely free to play with a quality items shop, and if it is successful, put the  said person in his place of not knowing which end is up in the 21st century.

 

I'm off to play some free to play titles.

 

I see at least half of your screenshots there are from games that were specifically designed for the P2P model and were later shifted over to F2P.  That doesn't really support your argument that F2P games are superior in quality when designed that way from the very start.  I can't think of a single originally designed as a F2P MMO that I have stuck with for more than a month if that.  There is no doubt in my mind that there is a significant difference in quality between the two competing business models specifically due to the way content has been designed to support them.

  Stiler

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4/13/13 3:38:47 PM#254

SW:TOr had a huge budget regardless of it being sub-based or not, and look how that turned out.

 

I found more content/fun things to do in Guild Wars 2 then SW:TOR.

 

  Bigdaddyx

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4/13/13 3:44:18 PM#255
MJ the guy who brought us WAR ..i will believe anything he says.
  Dren_Utogi

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4/13/13 5:06:22 PM#256

 


Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by Dren_Utogi  

Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by Dren_Utogi  

Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by Rthuth434

Originally posted by Vorthanion I sure hope this buisiness model collapses.  I'm tired of the crappy quality games that have resulted from this movement.
are you also tired of all the crappy quality P2P MMO's that continue to release?
I'll take subscription based SWTOR over any of the current F2P pieces of garbage anyday.  
  How did f2p change the content of the game ?
It was designed for subscription, which means it had a higher quality development than those I have played that were F2P from the start
  Really ? what games would that be ?
I find it a lot higher in quality than Neverwinter or Planetside 2 or any of the plethora of asian F2P monstrosities.  I don't know about Archeage, it may start off as F2P or not, but the jury is still out on whether it's of high quality or not.  As far as I know, Wildstar is starting as subscription as will EverQuest Next and Elder Scrolls Online.  All three of which look good on paper, but we'll see.  The potential already looks better than most games built for F2P from the start.
I think it is this type of elitism that needs to be weeded out for the genre to continue it;s positive gains in the last 4 years. Also believe every successful game from now to the future, will be free to play. Any game that does not have a hybrid payment module, will die out with in a year, like War did.

 

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

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4/13/13 5:08:54 PM#257
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
MJ the guy who brought us WAR ..i will believe anything he says.

Head injury? 

  Taldier

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4/13/13 5:24:10 PM#258
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

 I think it is this type of elitism that needs to be weeded out for the genre to continue it;s positive gains in the last 4 years. Also believe every successful game from now to the future, will be free to play. Any game that does not have a hybrid payment module, will die out with in a year, like War did.

 

Riiiiiight.... youre the victim and everyone else is "elitist"..

 

Mr. "Im always right and anyone who thinks more than one type of model can work in the same market is a dummy".

 

This is just such a blindly obstinate viewpoint.  F2P is just a business model, not a religion.  Stop trying to burn folks like heretics for denying the "one and only almighty model".

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4/13/13 5:38:23 PM#259
Originally posted by Taldier
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

 I think it is this type of elitism that needs to be weeded out for the genre to continue it;s positive gains in the last 4 years. Also believe every successful game from now to the future, will be free to play. Any game that does not have a hybrid payment module, will die out with in a year, like War did.

 

Riiiiiight.... youre the victim and everyone else is "elitist"..

 

Mr. "Im always right and anyone who thinks more than one type of model can work in the same market is a dummy".

 

This is just such a blindly obstinate viewpoint.  F2P is just a business model, not a religion.  Stop trying to burn folks like heretics for denying the "one and only almighty model".

We're not burning him at the stake for denying it's a better model (and I am not saying it is, it certainly has its negatives just as much as P2P), what we are burning him at the stake for though is blaming crappy quality on games being F2P which is like me blaming crappy quality of games on CoD-type games, it may make sense if you connect allot of dots while wearing a tinfoil hat but that's really grasping for things. Now if you'll excuse me the stake needs some gasoline thrown on it.

  Taldier

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4/13/13 6:05:22 PM#260
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Taldier
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

 I think it is this type of elitism that needs to be weeded out for the genre to continue it;s positive gains in the last 4 years. Also believe every successful game from now to the future, will be free to play. Any game that does not have a hybrid payment module, will die out with in a year, like War did.

 

Riiiiiight.... youre the victim and everyone else is "elitist"..

 

Mr. "Im always right and anyone who thinks more than one type of model can work in the same market is a dummy".

 

This is just such a blindly obstinate viewpoint.  F2P is just a business model, not a religion.  Stop trying to burn folks like heretics for denying the "one and only almighty model".

We're not burning him at the stake for denying it's a better model (and I am not saying it is, it certainly has its negatives just as much as P2P), what we are burning him at the stake for though is blaming crappy quality on games being F2P which is like me blaming crappy quality of games on CoD-type games, it may make sense if you connect allot of dots while wearing a tinfoil hat but that's really grasping for things. Now if you'll excuse me the stake needs some gasoline thrown on it.

F2P games can be cheaper to make because customers are more forgiving when they dont have to pay upfront.  Thats just a fact.  Just pay attention to the banner ads as you randomly browse the internet.  Everyone has their own F2P game.

 

This certainly doesnt mean that you cant invest a lot into building and developing a great F2P game.  But companies dont have to do that to make money off the model.  Sure some of them are good.  I dont think anyone ever said that all F2P games are inherently bad.  But there are also vast numbers of crappy F2P games out there.  Thats just undeniable.

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