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  mmoski

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4/11/13 12:20:48 AM#21

You have to question what "dying breed" means to the OP.

Here's the context I will see it in, yes what we currently know as a PC is dying very slowly, but only in the contexts of its current form; at some point there will be no distinguishable differences in computational power and usage between a "Console" and a "PC", most notably, "Consoles" will be dead at that point, heh, they will just be PC's in a set form factor, but that's the future, and I will be dead by then so I hope someone keeps the thread alive so  I can do the "I Told You So Bit" from the grave.

  npTrombe

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4/11/13 12:29:23 AM#22

someone find number of MoBos that asus alone sold for Q1 2013, then tell me if you still think the pc is dying

heres the ones for 2012

http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/41-million-motherboards-shipped-2012-were-either-ASUS-or-Gigabyte

the premade pc that large companies sell for a ridicolously high price is dying that for sure, people are getting smarter and not buying those overpriced pieces of junk

  Aori

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4/11/13 12:32:04 AM#23
Originally posted by Quizzical

 

The declining sales of new desktops are not because no one uses desktops anymore.  Rather, they're because fewer people see the need to replace their old desktop by a new one.  If desktops last twice as long as they used to and there are the same number in use everywhere, then that will cut new desktop sales in half.

One of the attractions of manufacturing chips for cell phones and tablets is precisely because they have such short lifetimes, which means that buyers need to buy something new once again very often.  That's a big deal if you manufacture processors.  But from a consumer perspective, it's a reason to stay with desktops.

This and it has got a lot easier in recent years for people to either build their own system or have someone build it for them. This makes it even harder to track PC usuage by sales.

Now I bet if you look at peripherial sales, they're going to be quite a lot higher than desktop sales. Right now PC's just last so much longer since display quality is more or less at a standstill for the affordable future. This obviously doesn't apply to enthusiasts but for most people they see no reason to upgrade.

  MidBoss

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4/11/13 12:33:37 AM#24
Originally posted by Quizzical
Really Big Quote.

May I copy paste this to every thread about this topic I come across in the future? Because I believe you just won this conversation forever.

(Or at least until we see what the future actually holds rather then making silly guesses)

  funyahns

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4/11/13 12:35:31 AM#25
The idea that PC's are going to die out is beyond insane.  People who work need computers still. Cell phones are really just toys.  And the idea that these crap app games can actually replace an actual game is wrong.  Yeah I could play one for 5 minutes while I am killing time sitting in line. But it can not replace a solid rpg with an amazing story on my big screen.
  Rocketeer

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4/11/13 12:54:04 AM#26

TBH i don't see consoles as the nail in the coffin of PCs, mobiles however? Well depends how you define PC i guess. Lets take a look at the video embedded here:

http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android

You know i could totally see that. Some mobiles can already output games at HD, i't would totally make sense to dock them into a station and add keyboard, mice and a big screen to it. Or a TV and a controller, you know instead of a console. Next gen mobile chips will have full opengl 4.2 support includng tessellation at full HD.

So yeah, once you add HIDs and a screen to a phone/tablet the line between it and consoles/PC gets awfully blurry.

 

So will the PC die? No, not in the foreseeable time. The combination of big screen(thats realtively close), keyboard and mice that most people see as the definition of PC is just too useful. It will hold out at the very least till we get really good voice control, and even then other input devices will remain optional.

 

Personally i see the future of consoles alot more skeptic though, they are expensive considering you can "only" game with them(contrary to lets say a smartphone) and even the actual games themselves are the most expensive of any platform. They are also mostly closed platforms(access controlled by manufacturer), making them hard to get into for smaller game companies. And all of their precious power is wasted once game streaming enters the picture(The game gets rendered on a serverfarm, you only need to be able to playback the HD stream that gets send to you, we are talking about a 50$ hardware investment here...).

The way things are going the low game prices on iOS and android have already pretty much hurt the console manufacturers(think psp etc), once you get to add a big screen and a controller to the phone/tablet ... Give them them a further generation or two and they will have plenty of power to handle some really pretty gfx all the while boasting content prices in the single digits.

  DamonVile

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4/11/13 1:28:57 AM#27
I own an xbox. It's over there sitting under my TV collecting dust. I don't even watch movies on it anymore. I guess I do use it to watch netflix....but I don't think that counts.

People are like cats. When they die, you get a new one.

  rojoArcueid

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4/11/13 1:38:54 AM#28
Originally posted by Robokapp

will the cubicle die along with the PC ? ill we conduct business on our cell phones ?

 

because there's a regular phone in my office...sitting there on my desk. Why do we need one of those when we have cell phones ?

 

 

i was just thinking businesses will replace PC and laptops with xbox and playstations. And Wiis for the janitors to sweep the floor with wiimotes.

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  Panther2103

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4/11/13 1:42:28 AM#29
Originally posted by DamonVile
I own an xbox. It's over there sitting under my TV collecting dust. I don't even watch movies on it anymore. I guess I do use it to watch netflix....but I don't think that counts.

Same here. We have an Xbox 360, PS3 and WII U sitting under our TV, and we use the xbox for hulu, and the ps3 for netflix and blu rays. Other than that they collect dust because we game on our PC's 99% of the time.

  rojoArcueid

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4/11/13 1:47:17 AM#30
Originally posted by Panther2103
Originally posted by DamonVile
I own an xbox. It's over there sitting under my TV collecting dust. I don't even watch movies on it anymore. I guess I do use it to watch netflix....but I don't think that counts.

Same here. We have an Xbox 360, PS3 and WII U sitting under our TV, and we use the xbox for hulu, and the ps3 for netflix and blu rays. Other than that they collect dust because we game on our PC's 99% of the time.

i use my xbox and ps3 to play video games. I personally dont need or use any other services in my gaming consoles. Thats just me. Need netflix? my pc, need netflix on a livingroom TV? my laptop hooked to the tv. Again, thats just me.

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  Rocketeer

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4/11/13 1:47:47 AM#31
Originally posted by DamonVile
I own an xbox. It's over there sitting under my TV collecting dust. I don't even watch movies on it anymore. I guess I do use it to watch netflix....but I don't think that counts.

I bought myself a Raspberry Pi and installed xbmc on it. So much awesome for so few monies. It holds all my music and movies and shares them over network all the while being hooked up to my TV and being able to playback internet streams and browsing our local TV stations content media storage. Oh and i can actually control it with my TVs remote, the signal gets send back over the HDMI cable apparently(cause you know, the thing has no infrared receiver).

I mean is that a PC? It certainly is. But damn 35$ is not alot of money, you don't even get a crappy nfs server for that.

  mmoski

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4/11/13 1:59:36 AM#32
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by Robokapp

will the cubicle die along with the PC ? ill we conduct business on our cell phones ?

 

because there's a regular phone in my office...sitting there on my desk. Why do we need one of those when we have cell phones ?

 

 

i was just thinking businesses will replace PC and laptops with xbox and playstations. And Wiis for the janitors to sweep the floor with wiimotes.

Actually that's quite true in some cases, just look up FBI purchases playstation 3's (ok it's not a business in maybe the form your speaking of ), before they got locked down that is.

  Phry

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4/11/13 2:06:01 AM#33

Recently Square Enix released some information about profitability, sobering reading.. makes you wonder which 'platform' is really in decline, at the moment i'd say its the console platform thats suffering, although the fact that the hardware of consoles is like, a decade out of date probably has a lot to do with it, and then there is the ps4 and xbox 720, details out there now, show them to have far more in common with a PC than their previous versions, now, adopting PC architecture is hardly a sign that PC's are on their last legs, it is however a sign that their previous incarnations are perhaps not doing so well, and further development along those lines was a dead end. Instead we have the next gen consoles with hardware thats, not really all that next gen.. lets face it, if somebody built a computer with 8 cores and a processor speed of 1.6ghz the first thing people would ask is, why its so underpowered, although, i could totally see a laptop/notebook using that kind of hardware, but a high end gaming machine, never in a million years, seriously i doubt it would even make it as a medium range gaming machine. The only things the PS4 has going for it, is DDR5 ram and a halfway decent graphics card, kind of makes you wonder why though, that the 720 seems to be using DDR3 ? maybe they'll change that by the time see official spec's for the 720

To me, its not whether or not the PC is dying, its whether or not the next gen Consoles will revive the console market which imo, is dying, no question about it.

  mmoski

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4/11/13 2:17:35 AM#34
Originally posted by Phry

Recently Square Enix released some information about profitability, sobering reading.. makes you wonder which 'platform' is really in decline, at the moment i'd say its the console platform thats suffering, although the fact that the hardware of consoles is like, a decade out of date probably has a lot to do with it, and then there is the ps4 and xbox 720, details out there now, show them to have far more in common with a PC than their previous versions, now, adopting PC architecture is hardly a sign that PC's are on their last legs, it is however a sign that their previous incarnations are perhaps not doing so well, and further development along those lines was a dead end. Instead we have the next gen consoles with hardware thats, not really all that next gen.. lets face it, if somebody built a computer with 8 cores and a processor speed of 1.6ghz the first thing people would ask is, why its so underpowered, although, i could totally see a laptop/notebook using that kind of hardware, but a high end gaming machine, never in a million years, seriously i doubt it would even make it as a medium range gaming machine. The only things the PS4 has going for it, is DDR5 ram and a halfway decent graphics card, kind of makes you wonder why though, that the 720 seems to be using DDR3 ? maybe they'll change that by the time see official spec's for the 720

To me, its not whether or not the PC is dying, its whether or not the next gen Consoles will revive the console market which imo, is dying, no question about it.

Yeah one of the huge driving factors for the current consoles not being as profitable as the last generation is the digital distribution, in the era of the playstation 1/2 and before, every game was sold through retail, now you can say ok "but the current console generation has digital distro", to that I would say, yeah but it's got such huge hardware limitations, its like the gimped version of what we have on PC. This next generation though, it's going to be really good, Ps4 will have digital distro loading in the background, onlive like replays using Gaikai and many more cool features.

What we are seeing is consoles coming more in line with PC's, and to be truly honest, the PS4 is a beast ! It's the first console I've looked at and thought, wow this is worth developing for.

  Consequence

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4/11/13 2:18:53 AM#35

Tablets and phones are digging into both console and PC gaming. 

 

But people are missing the point. PC sales ARE in decline. That decline is excellerating.

 

Developers go to investors for funding for their ideas. Investors tend to not throw money at shrinking industries. It is just a fact. That is why we are seeing more and more indy titles and kickstarters starting to emerge.  Long term the only way PCs make a comback is if they morph into something else, perhaps  a console/PC hybrid. The idea of having a desk somewhere in a house with a bg clunky metal box  is something from the 90's. Laptop markets have been dug into by tablets even harder than PC. 

 

I like my PC, but I see the signs, especially when you read wall street tech reports. The PC industry, particularly in the west, is vanishing faster than people here want to admit. 

 

 

  Wizardry

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4/11/13 2:20:12 AM#36

Consoles have become a laughing joke,they are everything they said was the problem with PC's.

Consoles are replaced about ev ery couple years,where as my PC's are lasting many years.

Developers have not been advancing with technology,they are still making XP DX9 games,so all this new tech is a waste,however it makes ytour PC still relevant for many years.

Consoles are just whipping out new ones without really making any better games,so they are just a wasted money soak.I have seen games on the old Sega CD system that easily rival the graphics of new systems.Consoles games are still as linear as ever.

I feel the whole problem is with the developers because they claim the PS3 is powerfdul,yet they can't do anything with it.Example Square struggled badly with a couple games for  the PS3,they eventually gave up and delivered a lower quality game.The games still look good,as i said the problem is with the develoeprs,they are just not using available tech,they are designing bare minimum games.

 

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  mmoski

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4/11/13 2:32:41 AM#37
Originally posted by Wizardry

Consoles have become a laughing joke,they are everything they said was the problem with PC's.

Consoles are replaced about ev ery couple years,where as my PC's are lasting many years.

Developers have not been advancing with technology,they are still making XP DX9 games,so all this new tech is a waste,however it makes ytour PC still relevant for many years.

Consoles are just whipping out new ones without really making any better games,so they are just a wasted money soak.I have seen games on the old Sega CD system that easily rival the graphics of new systems.Consoles games are still as linear as ever.

I feel the whole problem is with the developers because they claim the PS3 is powerfdul,yet they can't do anything with it.Example Square struggled badly with a couple games for  the PS3,they eventually gave up and delivered a lower quality game.The games still look good,as i said the problem is with the develoeprs,they are just not using available tech,they are designing bare minimum games.

 

That's really the same with PC's, When I look back and see the purchases of my PC's I've personally noticed the slow down,  the jumps in the early days from 286 to 486, to Pentiums was the real leaps in performance, now its just added instruction sets and cores (in a basic view). That's how performance will carry on for quite a few years, especially when concerning GPU's, GPU's are still in infancy in possible uses.

Really mentioning previous tech is a "so so", cell architecture on the ps3 was a real pain tbh, but the PS4, serious bit of kit that most dev companies will be able to jump right into, since its well aligned to current development methods and pipelines akin to PC's.

  Rocketeer

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4/11/13 2:39:52 AM#38

Tablets and (smart) phones ARE PCs. I mean i can add a bluetooth keyboard/mice to my tablet and connect it to a monitor or TV. Considering the applicationg diversity on them and their web abilities(html 5 etc) that already makes them far more of a PC than any console.

The rest really is just software.

  strangepowers

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4/11/13 6:37:14 AM#39


Originally posted by Panther2103

Originally posted by DamonVile I own an xbox. It's over there sitting under my TV collecting dust. I don't even watch movies on it anymore. I guess I do use it to watch netflix....but I don't think that counts.
Same here. We have an Xbox 360, PS3 and WII U sitting under our TV, and we use the xbox for hulu, and the ps3 for netflix and blu rays. Other than that they collect dust because we game on our PC's 99% of the time.


Yes, this describes my family situation too. I personally grew up on consoles in the 80's-90's and finally completely lost any interest in them. I knew this when the next gen machines were announced lately and I didn't even raise an eyebrow.

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  Tyvolus4

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4/11/13 6:58:38 AM#40

PC gaming "per se" wont ever die.  Sooner rather than later PCs could be gone as we know it, but the platform of gaming will all be done on "devices" that connect to a server that houses the hardware and you will play your "PC" games via a device that simply connects to the server which houses all the high tech hardware.  You buy the device (very inexpensive thing -- kind of like a ROKU device), you still have your mouse and keyboard, you connect to a server provided by a service company (like Steam ) and you are set.  The company I work for no longer uses PCs for the most part, I have a "device" that simply connects to the companies secure server and I still have my monitor, and mouse and keyboard.   Steam is already trying to push this type of device out for gaming with the Steam box.  Regardless, PCs more than likely got another 10 years plus.

Try to think a little here though folks, the PC as we know it may die, but PC class gaming isnt going anywhere.  How you access and play the games will undoubtedly change. 

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