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General Discussion  » A massively brutal critique of Camelot Unchained's website

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  vakabiel

Novice Member

Joined: 3/09/05
Posts: 12

4/10/13 11:16:12 AM#61

As a web developer and designer for the last 15 years I would say there are better ways to lay out the content yes... but

#1  they do not have a web person in house

#2 it's obviously a wordpress template and they are doing the best they can.

#3 most of what you are asking to see doesn't even exist yet - and if it did under features and all you saw was a description of what is planned you would bitch about that too.

#4 why don't you post some of your portfolio and volunteer your services so it's done a better way

:)

  Edany

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Joined: 3/22/13
Posts: 187

4/10/13 11:50:28 AM#62

To the OP:

I do not disagree with most all of your points. The website does not really appeal to me and isn't very clear and concise.

With that said, there are far better ways to present constructive criticism without turning into a full on flame-warrior or making your observations 'brutal'. If you think the website is amature, you should look at your approach to a professional - that  is amature.

Cursing and being brutal is not criticism, it's just a flame. You have some really salient points that needed to be made, but which will go largely unread and ignored by the very people you want to be paying attention due to the nature of how you stated it. How did that help your cause or message at all? It didn't.

TL;DR - You don't have to be such an ass about how you present something in order to get your point across in a professional manner. You will always get better results with constructive criticism instead of outright hateful bashing.

  Hjamnr

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Joined: 3/29/13
Posts: 174

4/10/13 11:51:46 AM#63
Originally posted by Edany

To the OP:

I do not disagree with most all of your points. The website does not really appeal to me and isn't very clear and concise.

With that said, there are far better ways to present constructive criticism without turning into a full on flame-warrior or making your observations 'brutal'. If you think the website is amature, you should look at your approach to a professional - that  is amature.

Cursing and being brutal is not criticism, it's just a flame. You have some really salient points that needed to be made, but which will go largely unread and ignored by the very people you want to be paying attention due to the nature of how you stated it. How did that help your cause or message at all? It didn't.

TL;DR - You don't have to be such an ass about how you present something in order to get your point across in a professional manner. You will always get better results with constructive criticism instead of outright hateful bashing.

Hear hear!

  Nihilist

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 556

4/10/13 11:52:42 AM#64

The critique is valid, but as has been pointed out we don't even know if the game will be developed yet. We can tell a lot of time was devoted to the KS page.

 

We will know in 21 days if this game will happen. A super fancy webiste won't change much at this point.

 

Mark has already stated he will be out 150k for the KS effort. Its easy to point fingers when its not your money.

 

If people here think they can do a better job, then nobody is stopping you from making a fan site.

  docent

Novice Member

Joined: 4/08/05
Posts: 1

4/10/13 11:53:33 AM#65
Originally posted by Caldrin

I guess the OP has not been keeping up with the blogs, most people interested in the game will have read all the blogs the guy posted in the months prior to the kickstarter campaign going live...

Well, they can't afford to just rely on people who'd heard about the CU before or at the launch of the KS project. They HAVE TO atract more and more prospective backers and players, both new, who haven't  played DAOC, and old hard-core RvR fans. Having said that I welcomed the website as the CSE's one is simply ugly.

While the CU website does have some issues I guess the critique was a bit too harsh - with links to KS and all the Fundational Principles a potential backer may get all the info he or she needs. What I would actually add is some bullet-point summaries of the FP's at the beginning of each article, so young, impatient minds could have it all well-summed up.

  gylnne

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Joined: 3/19/07
Posts: 324

4/10/13 11:55:21 AM#66
Originally posted by Edany

To the OP:

I do not disagree with most all of your points. The website does not really appeal to me and isn't very clear and concise.

With that said, there are far better ways to present constructive criticism without turning into a full on flame-warrior or making your observations 'brutal'. If you think the website is amature, you should look at your approach to a professional - that  is amature.

Cursing and being brutal is not criticism, it's just a flame. You have some really salient points that needed to be made, but which will go largely unread and ignored by the very people you want to be paying attention due to the nature of how you stated it. How did that help your cause or message at all? It didn't.

TL;DR - You don't have to be such an ass about how you present something in order to get your point across in a professional manner. You will always get better results with constructive criticism instead of outright hateful bashing.

Nice ducks!:P

  Purutzil

Elite Member

Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 2828

The Critical Hit Pretzel!

4/10/13 12:03:55 PM#67
Originally posted by docent
Originally posted by Caldrin

I guess the OP has not been keeping up with the blogs, most people interested in the game will have read all the blogs the guy posted in the months prior to the kickstarter campaign going live...

Well, they can't afford to just rely on people who'd heard about the CU before or at the launch of the KS project. They HAVE TO atract more and more prospective backers and players, both new, who haven't  played DAOC, and old hard-core RvR fans. Having said that I welcomed the website as the CSE's one is simply ugly

This basically in regards to the site. It is rather poor in trying to garnish supports, you shouldn't be depending on people researching in other areas for information. The website is rather poor for sure when it comes to delivering details of what exactly the game is, a fundamental part to actually getting support as the OP says, it NEEDS to explain what the project is and talk about it. As someone who never played DAOC (sue me) the whole push towards DAOC never sold me on even finding interest on the kickstarter and it just lacks good details to strike my fancy. The website just leaves people wondering more rather then giving answers.

  morfidon

Novice Member

Joined: 2/19/13
Posts: 245

4/10/13 12:09:17 PM#68

I agree. There should be info like that:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-KiQ-LGWEr0QjfihJ8AZ5itidYV4aXbmdXwAHfOjgQ/edit

 

somewhere. Even kickstarter page doesn't say much about the game. Everything is on forums / reddit / comments. Most people who followed all tha things have already donated. We need new people who doesn't know anything about the game. People the most time leave page very fast if there is nothing that takes their attention.

 

  Edany

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/13
Posts: 187

4/10/13 12:13:37 PM#69

Damon aka Consequent put a TON of effort into this FAQ

http://itcu.enjin.com/forum/m/12563697/viewthread/6521232-camelot-unchained-faq

I recommend starting here if you're confused in any way about he game.

  grogstorm

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/05/07
Posts: 287

If it ain't broke, dont fix it!

4/10/13 1:23:01 PM#70
Originally posted by morfidon

I agree. There should be info like that:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-KiQ-LGWEr0QjfihJ8AZ5itidYV4aXbmdXwAHfOjgQ/edit

 

somewhere. Even kickstarter page doesn't say much about the game. Everything is on forums / reddit / comments. Most people who followed all tha things have already donated. We need new people who doesn't know anything about the game. People the most time leave page very fast if there is nothing that takes their attention.

 

Absolutly on point.  The info is out here, it just needs to be presented on CU site for new people to see.  And disclaimers are no problem.  "Any of this information is subject to change"

Grog

  Bananaramaa

Novice Member

Joined: 1/16/07
Posts: 35

4/10/13 2:08:31 PM#71

As someone who was interested from all the DAoC talk but never actually played it, I went to the kickstarter interested. The campaign they put together was awful and told me nothing, it was worse than shroud of the avatar campaign by a decent margin and that's saying something. Will not be investing.

Seems like they set it up to interest old players from the game but haven't given new players enough to go on. I still don't really know what the game's about beyond RvR and sandboxish.

  GrayGhost79

Novice Member

Joined: 8/30/08
Posts: 4888

4/10/13 2:12:47 PM#72
Originally posted by morfidon

I agree. There should be info like that:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-KiQ-LGWEr0QjfihJ8AZ5itidYV4aXbmdXwAHfOjgQ/edit

 

somewhere. Even kickstarter page doesn't say much about the game. Everything is on forums / reddit / comments. Most people who followed all tha things have already donated. We need new people who doesn't know anything about the game. People the most time leave page very fast if there is nothing that takes their attention.

 

Holy Crap, MJ needs to sign off on this and post it on the Kickstarter page and his website. Its sad that he would rather argue with forum goers and potential backers then simply get a list like this compiled and on the sites hes using to promote the game lol.

  Betaguy

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Joined: 12/31/04
Posts: 2571

Some folks are like Slinkies, totally useless but great fun to watch when pushed down stairs

4/10/13 2:13:27 PM#73
Originally posted by mackdawg19
As a Web Designer/Developer for almost 5 years now and degree's to support, I approve of this messege. Its almost like they used one of those sites that puts a website together for you in 10 minutes. Doesn't really shine a good light on a project your trying to get the public to fund for. Cmon Mark! <--------as ESPN announcers say.....

 I know all kinds of people with major degree's and in major positions they probably shouldn't be. They suck at what they do but know how to bullshit, whats your point?

  bliss14

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/01/11
Posts: 509

Ahh devil ether.

4/10/13 2:25:09 PM#74
You know, you can contact Mark Jacobs directly through the Kickstarter page with your suggestions.  He might not have time to check every thread every day here or elsewhere.  From some posts recently in this thread people already have compiled lists of relevant information.  Send him it, maybe he can put it up front and center.
  strangepowers

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/18/08
Posts: 568

SCAD Animation-Film-F/X

4/10/13 2:44:54 PM#75


Criticizing the website at such an advanced stage is childish net picking.


Sometimes when folks have nothing of substance to say they will say anything regardless of it's merit. Good 'ol internet attention seeking and validation.

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  naezgul

Novice Member

Joined: 3/15/13
Posts: 389

4/10/13 2:48:15 PM#76

Put your expertise to use. Send mark a website that he can look at...maybe he'll let it be put up for KS  duration.

apparently it's some basic design program.....send him a file of your vision

  GrayGhost79

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Joined: 8/30/08
Posts: 4888

4/10/13 3:23:51 PM#77
Originally posted by strangepowers

 


 

Criticizing the website at such an advanced stage is childish net picking.


 

Sometimes when folks have nothing of substance to say they will say anything regardless of it's merit. Good 'ol internet attention seeking and validation.

Just trying to clarify things here. Are you referring to the information MJ has given us about CU or the Thread starters post about the website?

  Hokibukisa

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Joined: 3/25/06
Posts: 190

 
OP  4/10/13 4:44:38 PM#78
I can't love kindly. :'(

  Cypz

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Joined: 2/04/04
Posts: 19

4/10/13 7:41:28 PM#79
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by morfidon

I agree. There should be info like that:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-KiQ-LGWEr0QjfihJ8AZ5itidYV4aXbmdXwAHfOjgQ/edit

 

somewhere. Even kickstarter page doesn't say much about the game. Everything is on forums / reddit / comments. Most people who followed all tha things have already donated. We need new people who doesn't know anything about the game. People the most time leave page very fast if there is nothing that takes their attention.

 

Holy Crap, MJ needs to sign off on this and post it on the Kickstarter page and his website. Its sad that he would rather argue with forum goers and potential backers then simply get a list like this compiled and on the sites hes using to promote the game lol.

I agree!  That document is well put together. :)

Cypz/Cypress

MLF(Alb)/Mordred/Lamorak(Mid)

  strangepowers

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Posts: 568

SCAD Animation-Film-F/X

4/11/13 11:15:26 AM#80


Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by strangepowers  

  Criticizing the website at such an advanced stage is childish net picking.
  Sometimes when folks have nothing of substance to say they will say anything regardless of it's merit. Good 'ol internet attention seeking and validation.
Just trying to clarify things here. Are you referring to the information MJ has given us about CU or the Thread starters post about the website?

I was referring to the OP, agreeing with Eaderbreca.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5663478

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

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