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  chrissreef

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Joined: 1/11/05
Posts: 24

4/09/13 9:27:11 PM#21

Most here would do it for free even.

 

Website clearly illustrates artists / engineers are not marketing people and don't understand selling something occurs in the first 30 seconds.

 

I've had the same issue at both my companies... artists / engineers forget the operations people actually need to make products and sell / move products out the door. They spend soooo much time "tweaking" things and don't understand how their paycheck is created.

 

 

  Eaderbreca

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Joined: 4/04/12
Posts: 44

4/09/13 9:28:41 PM#22
Originally posted by Squeak69
Originally posted by Hrimnir

Once again peopel confusing how investments and projects work. 

This is not a website for a developing game.  This is a website for a game seeking funding for development.  They're not going to waste money and resources creating videos and screenshots and art assets for a game that may not get developed. 

All the information you need to make your decision is contained within the foundational principles.  If you're too lazy, ignorant, or stupid to read it, thats not their problem, and as you can see from kickstarter, they're clearly not having issues with funding.

So guess what that makes you.

and this high handed atitude is where the real issue is.

the problem here is the difficulty for average people to get iinformation wwho arnt already intrested in the game, because until you become intrested in it you wont do research on it, so unless someone gets you intrested you wont ever become that.

saying that thats its not thier problem is just wrong because it is, by not putting on clear concise information for non fan boys to understand you are cutting off huge amount off possable intrest and more backers.

ANY person looking to get someone to invest in thier project would have out togther a good portfolio before presenting it, why should the gameing community as a whole not get the same respect.

Because there cannot be a portfolio without backing first. That's what we're here for.

If someone wants information to get interested in the game, all that should attract the right community is there.

Not convinced? Then CU is not for you, move on and get out.

Criticizing the website at such an advanced stage is childish net picking.

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  ArcherBullseye

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Joined: 4/04/13
Posts: 77

4/09/13 9:32:54 PM#23
woah... calm down guys and girls... we are on the same team right now.. after you pick your realm tjen you can be enemys.. untill then, we need to raise interest in the game. if one person thinks that the website fix will bring in more people and you dont agree with that, thats fine.. just let us know nicely. no need to tell us this isnt the game for us.

  rdrpappy

Novice Member

Joined: 3/18/04
Posts: 337

4/09/13 9:33:37 PM#24
Seems with all the folks interested in the game you could harness some of the willing talent to whip up a slick, easy to use and informative site, no?
  Squeak69

Novice Member

Joined: 1/21/13
Posts: 959

cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

4/09/13 9:34:43 PM#25
Originally posted by Eaderbreca
Originally posted by Squeak69
Originally posted by Hrimnir

Once again peopel confusing how investments and projects work. 

This is not a website for a developing game.  This is a website for a game seeking funding for development.  They're not going to waste money and resources creating videos and screenshots and art assets for a game that may not get developed. 

All the information you need to make your decision is contained within the foundational principles.  If you're too lazy, ignorant, or stupid to read it, thats not their problem, and as you can see from kickstarter, they're clearly not having issues with funding.

So guess what that makes you.

and this high handed atitude is where the real issue is.

the problem here is the difficulty for average people to get iinformation wwho arnt already intrested in the game, because until you become intrested in it you wont do research on it, so unless someone gets you intrested you wont ever become that.

saying that thats its not thier problem is just wrong because it is, by not putting on clear concise information for non fan boys to understand you are cutting off huge amount off possable intrest and more backers.

ANY person looking to get someone to invest in thier project would have out togther a good portfolio before presenting it, why should the gameing community as a whole not get the same respect.

Because there cannot be a portfolio without backing first. That's what we're here for.

If someone wants information to get interested in the game, all that should attract the right community is there.

Not convinced? Then CU is not for you, move on and get out.

Criticizing the website at such an advanced stage is childish net picking.

umm no in pretty much any bussness a portfolio come before production because starting production without knowing what the hell your makeing first is silly.

and once agian HOW CAN YOU WANT INFORMATION FOR SOMETHING BEFORE INTREST

this is the kind of high handed thinking that is rileing me, why cant people understand this,

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  ArcherBullseye

Novice Member

Joined: 4/04/13
Posts: 77

4/09/13 9:36:55 PM#26
Originally posted by rdrpappy
Seems with all the folks interested in the game you could harness some of the willing talent to whip up a slick, easy to use and informative site, no?

 

I considered offering to see if I could come up with something better. but im pulling a 12 hour shift tomorrow and have network+ classss the rest of the week.

  cybersurfr

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Joined: 10/13/04
Posts: 183

4/09/13 9:42:40 PM#27
Originally posted by Hrimnir

Once again peopel confusing how investments and projects work. 

This is not a website for a developing game.  This is a website for a game seeking funding for development.  They're not going to waste money and resources creating videos and screenshots and art assets for a game that may not get developed. 

All the information you need to make your decision is contained within the foundational principles.  If you're too lazy, ignorant, or stupid to read it, thats not their problem, and as you can see from kickstarter, they're clearly not having issues with funding.

So guess what that makes you.

Once again "peopel" confusing how selling an idea works.

This is a website intended to sell their idea of the game to help their KS. This has all the information it needs somewhere lost in that mess of a webpage, but it is a pain to navigate through. They do not have to create videos/screenshots/art assets - they're already there together with all the information. However, the website is a complete mess for a regular person (a.k.a. not a fanboy) who may or mayl not want to donate.

Like any one who actually understood the post, it is a critique on what they can do to improve their site to help sell their idea.

That makes you ignorant of what the topic is for. You are summarily high-handed with a post that is utterly irrelevant and invalidated.

 

 

  Orangu

Novice Member

Joined: 11/27/12
Posts: 33

4/09/13 9:45:47 PM#28

I think most people do not go to a developers website to get continous coverage of an upcoming game, they go to community sites and gaming news sites like this to gather information on a game. I personally go to a game's website maybe a handful of times, but usually only once and that's to register and sign up for  a beta, after that I don't bother goign to their site again because any information I would need would be provided for else where.

 

  Nyrrho

Novice Member

Joined: 10/23/05
Posts: 53

4/09/13 9:47:06 PM#29
You were right when you said it was brutal. Still, I had a good laugh though. Thank you. =)
  Hokibukisa

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Joined: 3/25/06
Posts: 190

 
OP  4/09/13 9:47:50 PM#30
Originally posted by Eaderbreca
Originally posted by Squeak69
Originally posted by Hrimnir

Once again peopel confusing how investments and projects work. 

This is not a website for a developing game.  This is a website for a game seeking funding for development.  They're not going to waste money and resources creating videos and screenshots and art assets for a game that may not get developed. 

All the information you need to make your decision is contained within the foundational principles.  If you're too lazy, ignorant, or stupid to read it, thats not their problem, and as you can see from kickstarter, they're clearly not having issues with funding.

So guess what that makes you.

and this high handed atitude is where the real issue is.

the problem here is the difficulty for average people to get iinformation wwho arnt already intrested in the game, because until you become intrested in it you wont do research on it, so unless someone gets you intrested you wont ever become that.

saying that thats its not thier problem is just wrong because it is, by not putting on clear concise information for non fan boys to understand you are cutting off huge amount off possable intrest and more backers.

ANY person looking to get someone to invest in thier project would have out togther a good portfolio before presenting it, why should the gameing community as a whole not get the same respect.

Because there cannot be a portfolio without backing first. That's what we're here for.

If someone wants information to get interested in the game, all that should attract the right community is there.

Not convinced? Then CU is not for you, move on and get out.

Criticizing the website at such an advanced stage is childish net picking.

I thought you prepared and presented the portfolio before getting hired for the job, not the other way around. :\

And you don't know how potentially damning your unconditional faith is during this critical time.

  zytin

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/14/10
Posts: 154

4/09/13 9:59:26 PM#31
Originally posted by Eaderbreca
Originally posted by Squeak69
Originally posted by Hrimnir

Once again peopel confusing how investments and projects work. 

This is not a website for a developing game.  This is a website for a game seeking funding for development.  They're not going to waste money and resources creating videos and screenshots and art assets for a game that may not get developed. 

All the information you need to make your decision is contained within the foundational principles.  If you're too lazy, ignorant, or stupid to read it, thats not their problem, and as you can see from kickstarter, they're clearly not having issues with funding.

So guess what that makes you.

and this high handed atitude is where the real issue is.

the problem here is the difficulty for average people to get iinformation wwho arnt already intrested in the game, because until you become intrested in it you wont do research on it, so unless someone gets you intrested you wont ever become that.

saying that thats its not thier problem is just wrong because it is, by not putting on clear concise information for non fan boys to understand you are cutting off huge amount off possable intrest and more backers.

ANY person looking to get someone to invest in thier project would have out togther a good portfolio before presenting it, why should the gameing community as a whole not get the same respect.

Because there cannot be a portfolio without backing first. That's what we're here for.

If someone wants information to get interested in the game, all that should attract the right community is there.

Not convinced? Then CU is not for you, move on and get out.

Criticizing the website at such an advanced stage is childish net picking.

That website doesn't need to be a portfolio, it needs to be a presentation/business plan that is easy to read, informative, and doesn't require me to have to dig for information.  

 

You seem to be rather defensive, which is very counterpoductive at this point.  At this stage you are selling nothing more than an idea for a game.  Having an attitude of "well, if someone doesn't want to be bothered with reading wall after wall of (mostly) pointless text, who needs 'em anyway" is simply the wrong way to look at it.  The fact is that you DO need them if you want their money.  You need to SELL them your idea and CONVINCE them to give you their money and be APPRECIATIVE about it.  The OP was right in his assessment.  Clearly these guys need someone who knows a bit about sellsmanship on their team. 

  supergfunk

Novice Member

Joined: 6/26/07
Posts: 88

4/09/13 10:04:56 PM#32
Just give it up flamers, omg if you don't want to pledge then just leave it be...it's none of your business...

  Squeak69

Novice Member

Joined: 1/21/13
Posts: 959

cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

4/09/13 10:05:18 PM#33
Originally posted by DC1388

I think most people do not go to a developers website to get continous coverage of an upcoming game, they go to community sites and gaming news sites like this to gather information on a game. I personally go to a game's website maybe a handful of times, but usually only once and that's to register and sign up for  a beta, after that I don't bother goign to their site again because any information I would need would be provided for else where.

 

this is normaly true, but in this instance when it is supp[osed to assist in the raiseing of funds to begin the production of a game it turnsinto something else, you cant honestly expect people to invest money in somehting without being

1. already heavly involved or dedicated

or

2. gaining lots of informatin first, adn people dont want to ahve to dig for information for soemthing when it is them giveing the money and not the other way around.

this lack of foresite has probaly cost a ton of money already, as people who look at it to see what its all about , and find it lacking in easy to find and understand information.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  KhinRunite

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Joined: 11/05/10
Posts: 897

4/09/13 10:06:54 PM#34
Originally posted by Eaderbreca
Originally posted by Squeak69
Originally posted by Hrimnir

Once again peopel confusing how investments and projects work. 

This is not a website for a developing game.  This is a website for a game seeking funding for development.  They're not going to waste money and resources creating videos and screenshots and art assets for a game that may not get developed. 

All the information you need to make your decision is contained within the foundational principles.  If you're too lazy, ignorant, or stupid to read it, thats not their problem, and as you can see from kickstarter, they're clearly not having issues with funding.

So guess what that makes you.

and this high handed atitude is where the real issue is.

the problem here is the difficulty for average people to get iinformation wwho arnt already intrested in the game, because until you become intrested in it you wont do research on it, so unless someone gets you intrested you wont ever become that.

saying that thats its not thier problem is just wrong because it is, by not putting on clear concise information for non fan boys to understand you are cutting off huge amount off possable intrest and more backers.

ANY person looking to get someone to invest in thier project would have out togther a good portfolio before presenting it, why should the gameing community as a whole not get the same respect.

Because there cannot be a portfolio without backing first. That's what we're here for.

If someone wants information to get interested in the game, all that should attract the right community is there.

Not convinced? Then CU is not for you, move on and get out.

Criticizing the website at such an advanced stage is childish net picking.

Basically they're just aiming for people who would be all up in attention like meerkats on the mention of the words "Camelot", or "Dark Age of Camelot". They're not interested at all into making a backer out of someone, like say, me, who hasn't played or even heard of DAoC until a year ago.

They only need the money from fanboys to get the project up and running and maybe they'll start attracting "outsiders" some time later.

  Melroc

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Joined: 7/15/05
Posts: 22

4/09/13 10:07:42 PM#35
So basically you're crying that there isnt anymore information on a game they havent started to make yet
  supergfunk

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4/09/13 10:08:15 PM#36
What would a flame post be with no crying!  QQ

  Melroc

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4/09/13 10:08:37 PM#37
Originally posted by zytin
Originally posted by Eaderbreca
Originally posted by Squeak69
Originally posted by Hrimnir

Once again peopel confusing how investments and projects work. 

This is not a website for a developing game.  This is a website for a game seeking funding for development.  They're not going to waste money and resources creating videos and screenshots and art assets for a game that may not get developed. 

All the information you need to make your decision is contained within the foundational principles.  If you're too lazy, ignorant, or stupid to read it, thats not their problem, and as you can see from kickstarter, they're clearly not having issues with funding.

So guess what that makes you.

and this high handed atitude is where the real issue is.

the problem here is the difficulty for average people to get iinformation wwho arnt already intrested in the game, because until you become intrested in it you wont do research on it, so unless someone gets you intrested you wont ever become that.

saying that thats its not thier problem is just wrong because it is, by not putting on clear concise information for non fan boys to understand you are cutting off huge amount off possable intrest and more backers.

ANY person looking to get someone to invest in thier project would have out togther a good portfolio before presenting it, why should the gameing community as a whole not get the same respect.

Because there cannot be a portfolio without backing first. That's what we're here for.

If someone wants information to get interested in the game, all that should attract the right community is there.

Not convinced? Then CU is not for you, move on and get out.

Criticizing the website at such an advanced stage is childish net picking.

That website doesn't need to be a portfolio, it needs to be a presentation/business plan that is easy to read, informative, and doesn't require me to have to dig for information.  

 

You seem to be rather defensive, which is very counterpoductive at this point.  At this stage you are selling nothing more than an idea for a game.  Having an attitude of "well, if someone doesn't want to be bothered with reading wall after wall of (mostly) pointless text, who needs 'em anyway" is simply the wrong way to look at it.  The fact is that you DO need them if you want their money.  You need to SELL them your idea and CONVINCE them to give you their money and be APPRECIATIVE about it.  The OP was right in his assessment.  Clearly these guys need someone who knows a bit about sellsmanship on their team. 

The only people who donate to kickstarters for mmos know about mmos and who this guy is.

  Flex1

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Joined: 11/29/06
Posts: 410

“Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot.”The Hausa of Nigeria

4/09/13 10:22:34 PM#38

Amazing the high level of stupidity and ignorance present here.

 

It is simple.

 

You don't know anything about this guy or his past projects of Dark Age of Camelot. You visit the website to find more information, What is Camelot Unchained? What will it offer?

 

Upon exploring the website you don't find that information fast enough or don't find it at all so your interest disappeared and you closed the browser tab.

 

Good bye possible pledger.

 

With better organization of available information on that website they could have had 1 more person donating $15 or more.

 

How is it that hard to understand the OP here? You guys are defending sloppy design and celebrating the fact that this pledge was turned away.


  Troianman

Novice Member

Joined: 4/07/13
Posts: 83

4/09/13 10:37:14 PM#39
Originally posted by Flex1

Amazing the high level of stupidity and ignorance present here.

 

It is simple.

 

You don't know anything about this guy or his past projects of Dark Age of Camelot. You visit the website to find more information, What is Camelot Unchained? What will it offer?

 

Upon exploring the website you don't find that information fast enough or don't find it at all so your interest disappeared and you closed the browser tab.

 

Good bye possible pledger.

 

With better organization of available information on that website they could have had 1 more person donating $15 or more.

 

How is it that hard to understand the OP here? You guys are defending sloppy design and celebrating the fact that this pledge was turned away.

Starting a post by calling people stupid isn't usually the most constructive way to convert people to your school of thought.

And while I definitely have problems with a number of choices regarding their website that I will not go into, I understand why they made some of those choices.

A big thing that seems to be an issue with their site is the Features section which seems to immediately be interpreted as game features, not website features. If you (in a general sense, not you specifically) think of it more in terms of the latter and understand that the game does not exist as anything other than a group of ideas and principles with a few pieces of art here and there then things would be much nicer. And I do admit that this may not be clear unless a user does some reading beforehand to understand the current state of the project but jumping to conclusions also never helped anybody anyway.

At this point the site isn't about a game, it is about a project that will ultimately become a game if Kickstarter is successful. Game features doesn't really exist as a section because game features themselves do not really exist. Anyone going to the site to find out more about a game that does not exist yet and in fact might not ever exist needs to take a step back and realize they are looking for the wrong information.

Now if all this was clearly presented as such there may be less confusion and perhaps less people becoming upset at or distrustful of the project but that can still be accomplished through the community of supporters providing as much help as possible.

 

  zytin

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/14/10
Posts: 154

4/09/13 10:48:12 PM#40
I wonder if the people who are QQing because some of us are offering rather useful advise on how to bring in more donations, did you ever stop to think that we might have been interested in donating, if we knew what it was we were donating to, exactly (or at least generally?)  These aren't flames or trolling, it's a discussion on how they could better bring in doners to their KS.
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