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  Galadourn

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4/09/13 6:16:41 AM#41
Originally posted by Foncl

The rewards for backing are laughable compared to what an investor would demand if they would fund the game, come on devs you can do better than this.

 

backing =/= investing.

if you want to chip in more money, feel free to become an investor and also take the relevant risks as well.

http://kck.st/Xo38HT

  will75

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4/09/13 7:34:19 AM#42

If i put in $110 and the main guy behind puts in 2 million, and our full kickstarter funds + his 2 million + his investors funds are lost.....   I don't feel i got scammed. I just feel it failed, next time you're at the casino and lose $$$ .,Did you get scammed? Probably! lol.. 

 

I am betting myself on sucess, as well as i am going to get the game for free, alpha access, the ability to give input, and the game concept is actually that of a game that i WANT to succeed. If anyone can try and copy DAOC RVR and fail at it, arenanet has done that with guild wars 2, i looked forward to guild wars 2 for years... and years... And guess what? I quit after 1 month because the RvR sucked.. or WvW as they called it. They screwed it up. I suspect the guy who invented 3 realm RvR might have a shot at not screwing it up, sure WAR lakes blew.. Who thought of that anyway mark ?

 

But i am giving him another shot.

  will75

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4/09/13 7:37:57 AM#43
Originally posted by Scot
Lots of these kickstarters with famous credentials getting of the ground, but I dont see the player base swelling that much in the next few years. No mater how good your game is players are up to their eyeballs in MMO's.
 

There are, shitty MMO's... 

  Rainfall13

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4/09/13 7:38:32 AM#44

*sigh* 

To those of you concerned about backing / investing.  Backing does not equivicate to investing.  Backing simply means you want rewards of a non-monitary value and are not assuming any financial ROI based risks.  That is not to say, we are not expecting a game -- and as such, expecting a game that we -- the players -- feel is one we want to play.  That said, Mark Jacobs has assured us that we will not only get to vote on how the game is made at certain points, but he will be having IT ( Internal Testing ) and the "founders" help decide the direction of the game.

He has, thus far, been more than willing to be a part of the community on the very base level and communicate with us on the same level he does his developers.  He is hiding nothing and his motives seem extremely strong.  I realize that there are those who dislike Mark Jacobs - but he is trying to demonstrate what a lot of these industry vets forget once they've reached a certain level at the top, humility and compassion for his fanbase.

To the neysayers :

- Subscription model : It is not dead.  It is not going anywhere - there is still plenty of room for this even if freemium or UGC ( user generated content ) is a big thing now and in the future.

- Dark Age of Camelot - to whomever said DAoC was a bad game ... that's a very strong opinion and I would like to say - what game has done PvP combat in a high fantasy setting better since then?  WAR improved and also fell on its face.  GW2 ...fell on its face.  TOR - afterthought.  Rift - afterthought.  WoW - afterthought.  None of them have done good PvP - and mathematically - Tri-Faction is an extremely sound concept.  ( Anyone wonder why Matt Firor went with it on Elder Scrolls and actually flubbed up cannon just to do it?  It's because it works - and it was Mark Jacobs who coined the concept of Tri-Faction / Tri-Realm combat.  Have atleast a -litttttle- faith in him. )

- Scam? - Please explain to me, in depth how you feel this is a scam.  It is a standard kickstarter compared to others. 

- Proof of concept? - There is one.  It's called Dark Age of Camelot.  Warhammer Online.  Those were pre-alpha proof of concepts - metaphorically speaking.  If you modify your thinking slightly and realize that he will be taking all the knowledge gained from those particular games and applying this to a game where he and the community at large has control over -- rather than a big giant gorilla sized corporation hulking over his shoulder, you'll see that there is plenty of working concept.  You'll also see that he is giving us proof of concept and showing their ability to make it happen slowly but surely even within the first week.  Look at their tech & art demoes.  Pretty cool stuff.

---------

I want to keep this atleast somewhat short - so I will sum it up w/ this : I backed this because I have memories that are irreplacable and Mark Jacobs, Matt Firor, Dave Rickey and a whole slew of other industry vets are the ones made it possible to have those wonderful memories of DAoC -- and then later Warhammer Online.

  Rainfall13

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4/09/13 7:43:27 AM#45

* I also want to note this - The kickstarter is for 2M$.  He's already pledged 2M$ of his personal funding + secured 1M$ in financial backing from other resources.  That said, he will continue to have a Paypal available on their website to extend stretch goals and otherwise.  He will also be looking actively for more funding in the private "angel investor" sector most likely to help fund the game.  Something of this nature wont require more than 10-12M$ at the very most for a 2-3 year development cycle.

 

The business of video games is an interesting beast and the world of MMos is very unique in and of itself.   And yes, I know, there ARE a lot of Mmos out there.  It's extremely saturated -- and quite frankly, most of them suck.  I simply refuse to believe that with the passion and drive that we as a community have, that MMos like this can't work.

  znaiika

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4/09/13 8:30:30 AM#46
Originally posted by hardicon

I dont really understand this mmorpg.  this game that hasnt even started development and might not even get made seems to get so much coverage from this website.  I mean anything they say yall do an interview with them about it, devs go poop, yall do interview.

whats the deal with this, they havent announced anything that even remotely sounds like it would be a good game.  dont you think there are other games coming out that maybe yall could devote a little bit of time to instead of 5 interviews and colums a week on daoc ripoff number whatever (as if one daoc wasnt bad enough).

 

He sell an idea, and people buy it without even thinking about it. 

CU developer is going to make a ton of cash selling an old game engine.

How much does it worth to actualy make a game with free game engine?

  Rainfall13

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4/09/13 9:12:06 AM#47
Originally posted by znaiika
Originally posted by hardicon

I dont really understand this mmorpg.  this game that hasnt even started development and might not even get made seems to get so much coverage from this website.  I mean anything they say yall do an interview with them about it, devs go poop, yall do interview.

whats the deal with this, they havent announced anything that even remotely sounds like it would be a good game.  dont you think there are other games coming out that maybe yall could devote a little bit of time to instead of 5 interviews and colums a week on daoc ripoff number whatever (as if one daoc wasnt bad enough).

 

He sell an idea, and people buy it without even thinking about it. 

CU developer is going to make a ton of cash selling an old game engine.

How much does it worth to actualy make a game with free game engine?

You -do- realize he's intending to make an engine, for the most part, from scratch right?  You're saying that he's using freeware is simply mis-informed and incorrect.   You are also insinuating that the people backing it are not thinking it through.  The initial pledges had a month to think on it.  The others pouring in did their due diligence.  Yes, some are blindly pledging, but--I am not. I did my research.  I know mark's history and I played daoc , war and numerous other mmos.  None compare to daoc or war experience wise.  That's why I am backing this. 

 

  Rallo

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4/09/13 9:32:27 AM#48
Agreed.  The Tri realm RvR (DAoC) created such lasting memeories, that the demand from players to return to those days (in some form) has been pent up for YEARS!  That is why there is so much coverage.  I cannot wait for a revisit to Tri realm combat with new ideas and concepts!  Thanks for the coverage/interview
  hardicon

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4/09/13 9:37:46 AM#49

well this is not mmorpg just covering another mmorpg.  there has been way more coverage for this game than any other game except maybe swtor.  I dont really care but was curious as to why a game that had no information on it warrants this much coverage this early.  I mean they have zero gameplay footage, they dont even have a game right now just thoughts put onto a legal pad and this game is getting more coverage than most.  not to mention that it is just a daoc clone and we know how well they have worked in the past, about as successful as wow clones.  I get that people liked daoc, but clone games fail, simple as that. 

I think we know where the kickstarter money is going though, to pay mmorpg for column space.

 

  Rainfall13

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4/09/13 9:49:01 AM#50

@ Hardicon - This is not going to be a DAoC clone.  In fact, Mark Jacobs has said this will NOT be DAoC 2, nor a spiritual relative to it.  It will be similar, but it will be an entirely new and unique approach to it.

 

As far as where funding is going?  It's going directly into the game.

 

MMoRPG is covering it - because it's about damn time someone approaches an MMo without the same bland promises made every single time a new one comes out.  It's about time someone actually asks the community WHAT they want rather than stuffing another half-assed and  thoughtless PvE focussed w/ PvP half-assed afterthought type of experience.

 

That said though, I appreciate your concerns and curiosity about the matter.  I personally believe that, while they do not have an actual prototype to show off, they do, however, have a team that can create that prototype fairly quickly.  It's also encouraging that with just a pitch, no prototype - he's generated 1$M in private investor funding and is willing to put 2$M of his own personal cash, straight from pocket on the line.  You also have to realize, he's putting his reputation and career on the line by doing this kickstarter and taking this approach.  He's not doing this on a whim or without first thinking about it.  People like him do not make moves without pre-planning, and I highly doubt his team would back him if  they did not feel it was a decent enough concept.  Money is money - but no one wants their name tied to a bad game.  Remember that. :)

  Necroneus

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4/09/13 9:53:27 AM#51
CU will not be founded, I know. Gess I'm wrong but...
  znaiika

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4/09/13 10:05:11 AM#52
Originally posted by Rainfall13
Originally posted by znaiika
Originally posted by hardicon 

He sell an idea, and people buy it without even thinking about it. 

CU developer is going to make a ton of cash selling an old game engine.

How much does it worth to actualy make a game with free game engine?

You -do- realize he's intending to make an engine, for the most part, from scratch right?  You're saying that he's using freeware is simply mis-informed and incorrect.   You are also insinuating that the people backing it are not thinking it through.  The initial pledges had a month to think on it.  The others pouring in did their due diligence.  Yes, some are blindly pledging, but--I am not. I did my research.  I know mark's history and I played daoc , war and numerous other mmos.  None compare to daoc or war experience wise.  That's why I am backing this. 

 

For the money he ask, would be easy'er to pay for euclidean game engine, and make one of a kind game, that I would understand.

Is he going to make game? or game engine?

My opinion?  he's going to spend time and cash to make game engine, game is going to be as a test project.

  znaiika

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4/09/13 10:07:23 AM#53
Originally posted by Necroneus
CU will not be founded, I know. Gess I'm wrong but...
 

You'll be surprised what people can do for the hope.

  Charlie1066

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Posts: 6

4/09/13 11:21:46 AM#54

Compared with divergence these guys have nothing and they have raised vast sums of money.

There is no justice in the world

 

  deathangell

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4/09/13 11:23:01 AM#55
Do backers get there cash back if the game doesnt actually hit 2mil ? thats the real question
  hardicon

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4/09/13 11:53:07 AM#56

ok im gonna get this out in the open.  I am not hating on the game, nor do I want it to fail.  Lord knows we need some other types of mmos rather than wow clone 2 million and 42.  its not my type of game surely as I am not that interested in pvp but I surely dont wish it to fail and I hope it turns out to be what all the supporters hope it will be. 

just seemd kind of weird to me how much this game is getting covered at such a early development cycle, much more than any other game has been covered this early in its development cycle.

  Ogrelin

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4/09/13 12:00:57 PM#57


Originally posted by hardicon
ok im gonna get this out in the open.  I am not hating on the game, nor do I want it to fail.  Lord knows we need some other types of mmos rather than wow clone 2 million and 42.  its not my type of game surely as I am not that interested in pvp but I surely dont wish it to fail and I hope it turns out to be what all the supporters hope it will be. 

just seemd kind of weird to me how much this game is getting covered at such a early development cycle, much more than any other game has been covered this early in its development cycle.


I understand that you may be confused, but this is a mmo on kickstarter and it generate lot of attention during during it's 30 day funding cycle. If it does NOT get any attention this early it's not going to be a game to report on later...

a Kickstarter is almost a game in it self, a group of people is racing against time to get a project funded, if they don't succeed it's GAME OVER.

  Mermaider666

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4/09/13 12:22:37 PM#58

Ok I think this needs to be pointed out but this is a Niche game and those of you saying you aren't putting your money in, good for you.  That helps nobody; you just like to hear yourself talk because you think your negative input will have some magical effect on the funding's outcome. 

If you've ever played a "DAoC clone", it probably wasn't headed by Mark.  Plenty of people loved WAR (though I didn't, I hated that they put in isntanced PvP and wasn't big on the RvR maps), but you're forgetting that they didn't even have 3 factions in WAR.  There was 2, and I think that is what ruined the game for me.  

I've played WoW since Vanilla, and DAoC since 2001 and dammit DAoC is X10 better.  It's a strange though I know, but some of us actually LIKE tri-realm combat and not crappy linear questing, predictable raiding mechanics with boring dps rotations and mind numbing grinding.  Who'da thunk!?

Why Did GW2 fail at WvW?  Because it was just 3 servers fighting each other.  Not 3 different realms with their own classes, races and lore to create a sense of pride for your realm.  Mark Is making sure he won't fail on this aspect. 

'Hurr butt Mark is going to make somuch moneyz off dis' would be a valid statement if it was true.  He has a team to pay for and this game is NICHE.  The subscription numbers won't be as high as many other MMO's out there, he's making this game BECAUSE HE LOVED DAOC AND THE COMMUNITY.  Hell, if this KS funds MARK IS DONATING 2 MILLION out of his own wallet to back this project up. 

If any of you took the chance to read what goes on the forums like the CU subreddit, you would understand how serious he is about this game and he has been very vocal with any questions or concerns.  

I'm not saying this game is going to be successful, but there isn't need for false accusations about one's character out of personal spite for that individual (Mark in this case).  

For those of you saying you won't back it, but are cheering it on - Thank you!  

For those of you taking it personal and flaming the CONCEPT, go away :P

 

And those of you saying he's doing this for the money, lol.  Just lol.  Because many of us rather throw our money at Mark than any other game dev out there today.  He is a geniune fella and many of us here have great memories from DAoC and a good amount of respect for the man.  Sure he's messed up before, who hasn't?  He's said he's messed up and admitted his own faults.  If you hate him that much, Donate 10k on the KS, fly to his studios, throw a pie in his face and scream "DEKCUS AOT" (toa sucked)

  Mermaider666

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4/09/13 12:32:57 PM#59

  Mermaider666

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4/09/13 12:34:10 PM#60
Originally posted by deathangell
Do backers get there cash back if the game doesnt actually hit 2mil ? thats the real question

Yes they do! All 100% of that money they donate is returned

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