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  BizkitNL

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4/06/13 12:17:55 AM#21
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by redcapp
One need only take a cursory glance at a list of highest funded PC games to know the OP is pure nonsense.

Like which?  I'm genuinely curious.  Also, how many of the top games on the market have been KS games?   I'm not sure there's anything inherently wrong with Kickstarter, but I read that the funding success rate is only about 30%.  What happens to all the money that's donated?  They have to give it back right?

AFAIK: you don't actually pay a dime untill the KS is successfull.

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  taziar

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4/06/13 12:18:20 AM#22
Correct.  If the entire KickStarter $ goal is not achieved, the project doesn't get any of the money.  Backers are only charged when a project is successful.  
  Dren_Utogi

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OP  4/06/13 12:18:38 AM#23
Originally posted by redcapp
One need only take a cursory glance at a list of highest funded PC games to know the OP is pure nonsense.

that's your opinion. Age of Conan, Lord of THe rings, and my top 5 list of free mmos have been tried and tested for years with millions of players coming abd going, all uyou have is a cup jingling looking for lose change from jaded and burn out mmorpg players. Prove me Wrong, that is my point of the thread.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Eir_S

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4/06/13 12:18:57 AM#24
Awesome, thanks for the info.
  Dren_Utogi

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OP  4/06/13 12:21:46 AM#25
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by redcapp
One need only take a cursory glance at a list of highest funded PC games to know the OP is pure nonsense.

Like which?  I'm genuinely curious.  Also, how many of the top games on the market have been KS games?   I'm not sure there's anything inherently wrong with Kickstarter, but I read that the funding success rate is only about 30%.  What happens to all the money that's donated?  They have to give it back right?

AFAIK: you don't actually pay a dime untill the KS is successfull.

LOL and who measures that success ... Shoot , some kids in Europe crapped out Mortal Online,m  and you will tell me Mark Jacobs a co founder of one of the biggest mmorpg games has to use kickstarter ?

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  MidBoss

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4/06/13 12:22:54 AM#26
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by redcapp
One need only take a cursory glance at a list of highest funded PC games to know the OP is pure nonsense.

that's your opinion. Age of Conan, Lord of THe rings, and my top 5 list of free mmos have been tried and tested for years with millions of players coming abd going, all uyou have is a cup jingling looking for lose change from jaded and burn out mmorpg players. Prove me Wrong, that is my point of the thread.

So you wan't somone to show you something that doesn't exist because the notion that you could even fund something like that through a kickstarter isn't even a year old?

Nothing to see here people, move along.

  Lobotomist

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4/06/13 12:24:35 AM#27

We still have to see anything good come from kickstarter (well except FTL , but its small mini game that was finised before it was funded)

I supported 3 projects. And would two others, but they were so sucessful no help was needed.

All of them are pretty much shure shots - and i see it more as preorder for discounted price + opportunity for early beta.

 

That being said. There are many projects that are "cat in the sack"

Camelot Unchained

- by the guy who had Warhammer licence , all money he can imagine for it, and intention to make it aoc2

He didnt manage .... (thats understatement)

So what makes you think he will manage it now ?

 

 

 

 

 

  Dren_Utogi

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OP  4/06/13 12:25:50 AM#28
Originally posted by MidBoss
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by redcapp
One need only take a cursory glance at a list of highest funded PC games to know the OP is pure nonsense.

that's your opinion. Age of Conan, Lord of THe rings, and my top 5 list of free mmos have been tried and tested for years with millions of players coming abd going, all uyou have is a cup jingling looking for lose change from jaded and burn out mmorpg players. Prove me Wrong, that is my point of the thread.

So you wan't somone to show you something that doesn't exist because the notion that you could even fund something like that through a kickstarter isn't even a year old?

Nothing to see here people, move along.

exactly. what have we seen ? nothing. Isn;'t that weird that people will burn Brad McQuaid for his "Vision" yet give a collective millions to ideas and vaporware ? Funny how hypocritical this genre has become.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  taziar

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4/06/13 12:27:38 AM#29
Dren, perhaps you should understand something before you attack it.  Kickstarter is rarely used for MMOs.  Very few people would back a F2P game, as most MMOs are now.  
  Dren_Utogi

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OP  4/06/13 12:29:31 AM#30
Originally posted by taziar
Dren, perhaps you should understand something before you attack it.  Kickstarter is rarely used for MMOs.  Very few people would back a F2P game, as most MMOs are now.  

and they are backing them..... and opening a concern to something that has the potential to hamper an entire platform, make for a good conversation imho. Looking at all sides of the rock before I sit down on it will make sure I don't get bit by the snake that lay under it?

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Distopia

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4/06/13 12:31:12 AM#31
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by redcapp
One need only take a cursory glance at a list of highest funded PC games to know the OP is pure nonsense.

Like which?  I'm genuinely curious.  Also, how many of the top games on the market have been KS games?   I'm not sure there's anything inherently wrong with Kickstarter, but I read that the funding success rate is only about 30%.  What happens to all the money that's donated?  They have to give it back right?

AFAIK: you don't actually pay a dime untill the KS is successfull.

My question is, so what happens after that ,if the product/project never sees completion? Anything can happen from now until 2015 or beyond..

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Dren_Utogi

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OP  4/06/13 12:36:05 AM#32
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by redcapp
One need only take a cursory glance at a list of highest funded PC games to know the OP is pure nonsense.

Like which?  I'm genuinely curious.  Also, how many of the top games on the market have been KS games?   I'm not sure there's anything inherently wrong with Kickstarter, but I read that the funding success rate is only about 30%.  What happens to all the money that's donated?  They have to give it back right?

AFAIK: you don't actually pay a dime untill the KS is successfull.

   Why is Kickstarter funding all-or-nothing?
On Kickstarter, a project must reach its funding goal before time runs out or no money changes hands. Why? It protects everyone involved. This way, no one is expected to develop a project with an insufficient budget, which sucks. Remember you set your own funding goal, so aim to raise the minimum amount you'll need to create your vision. Projects can always raise more than their goal, and often do.
 
 
Thats it, once the goal is reached, the money is moved. Regardless if the project is released or not. We could start a grocery fund kickstart and see what happens lol. Is is all to shady for my taste.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Panthien

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4/06/13 12:36:23 AM#33
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by redcapp
One need only take a cursory glance at a list of highest funded PC games to know the OP is pure nonsense.

Like which?  I'm genuinely curious.  Also, how many of the top games on the market have been KS games?   I'm not sure there's anything inherently wrong with Kickstarter, but I read that the funding success rate is only about 30%.  What happens to all the money that's donated?  They have to give it back right?

AFAIK: you don't actually pay a dime untill the KS is successfull.

My question is, so what happens after that ,if the product/project never sees completion? Anything can happen from now until 2015 or beyond..

Kinna what I was wondering, what success? Them raising X money so they can start developing? Successfully create the game? The game actually be a success (on the market)?

  Dren_Utogi

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Posts: 1468

 
OP  4/06/13 12:38:03 AM#34
Originally posted by Panthien
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by redcapp
One need only take a cursory glance at a list of highest funded PC games to know the OP is pure nonsense.

Like which?  I'm genuinely curious.  Also, how many of the top games on the market have been KS games?   I'm not sure there's anything inherently wrong with Kickstarter, but I read that the funding success rate is only about 30%.  What happens to all the money that's donated?  They have to give it back right?

AFAIK: you don't actually pay a dime untill the KS is successfull.

My question is, so what happens after that ,if the product/project never sees completion? Anything can happen from now until 2015 or beyond..

Kinna what I was wondering, what success? Them raising X money so they can start developing? Successfully create the game? The game actually be a success (on the market)?

Why is Kickstarter funding all-or-nothing?
On Kickstarter, a project must reach its funding goal before time runs out or no money changes hands. Why? It protects everyone involved. This way, no one is expected to develop a project with an insufficient budget, which sucks. Remember you set your own funding goal, so aim to raise the minimum amount you'll need to create your vision. Projects can always raise more than their goal, and often do.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Panthien

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Joined: 6/07/12
Posts: 566

4/06/13 12:42:58 AM#35
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Panthien
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by redcapp
One need only take a cursory glance at a list of highest funded PC games to know the OP is pure nonsense.

Like which?  I'm genuinely curious.  Also, how many of the top games on the market have been KS games?   I'm not sure there's anything inherently wrong with Kickstarter, but I read that the funding success rate is only about 30%.  What happens to all the money that's donated?  They have to give it back right?

AFAIK: you don't actually pay a dime untill the KS is successfull.

My question is, so what happens after that ,if the product/project never sees completion? Anything can happen from now until 2015 or beyond..

Kinna what I was wondering, what success? Them raising X money so they can start developing? Successfully create the game? The game actually be a success (on the market)?

Why is Kickstarter funding all-or-nothing?
On Kickstarter, a project must reach its funding goal before time runs out or no money changes hands. Why? It protects everyone involved. This way, no one is expected to develop a project with an insufficient budget, which sucks. Remember you set your own funding goal, so aim to raise the minimum amount you'll need to create your vision. Projects can always raise more than their goal, and often do.

In other words, the only garantee is you will keep your money if they cant raise their mark (money wise) ??

That means once they reach the X $$ mark people lose their money back garantee? So they can start working on a product that still may end up being canceled or turn out to be worse (game) then Justin Beeber and Jarjar Binks combined?

  taziar

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4/06/13 12:49:26 AM#36
There is no guarantee that when you back a project the game will ever be completed.  But this is proof that people are not happy with the games publishers are producing.  Kickstarter is especially useful for what publishers consider niche market games.  Adventure games, Turn-based games, true rpgs (not shooters with RPG 'elements') etc.  
  Panthien

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4/06/13 12:58:23 AM#37
Originally posted by taziar
There is no guarantee that when you back a project the game will ever be completed.  But this is proof that people are not happy with the games publishers are producing.  Kickstarter is especially useful for what publishers consider niche market games.  Adventure games, Turn-based games, true rpgs (not shooters with RPG 'elements') etc.  

Like I said before, Im not against KS at all. Ive stated in many posts before I welcome chances and regret it when the game(s) that came with them sink. Its an eyesore to me when people gloat how game X fails, lets face it, thats a terible thing for the genre.

Its one of the reasons we keep getting WoW clone after WoW clone because, those DO seem to have the best survival chance atm. We can debate how good or bad the games have been that tried to move away from that concept but stil.. people keep voting for WoW and WoW cloning. The success of KS still remains to be seen and lastly KS keeps the door wide open for any investers, including the every so hated big coorperations.

Companies need to see we are 1) willing to pay for chane and 2) there being money in it. This is the only real thing that will safe the genre.

 

  Axehilt

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4/06/13 1:04:38 AM#38

As an aside: PC isn't a genre, it's a platform.

As for Kickstarter?  I've worked in the industry about 13 years now and feel Kickstarter's best strength is that the games that get made are what gamers are actively paying to have made, rather than what the executives think gamers want.  Executives may have a reasonably good idea of what the market wants (and admittedly a much better idea of whether the development team will be capable of delivering the idea) but when gamers are directly voting with their wallets it eliminates any doubt about what the market wants: the idea either sinks or floats.

So Kickstarter is a potentially amazing service, and I advise everyone to pay for any project they think has a high likelihood of turning into something they'll enjoy (not just whether the idea sounds good, but whether they think the developers in question are capable of delivering on the idea.) 

And that's probably the biggest weakness of Kickstarter (and is also a weakness of exec-driven game greenlights:) the process rewards selling an idea in the pitch phase, which is a lot of effort that doesn't necessarily help the finished product itself.  A snazzy trailer to get your game greenlit doesn't make the game itself fun.  Sort of like how (for me) the Hellgate: London trailer was badass, then the game sucked.

Again, this wasted effort isn't something specific to Kickstarter but execs are a little better at seeing through the shiny to know whether or not a team is capable of delivering.  (Again: they're not perfect, just better.)

Out of the 4 projects I've personally backed, I got everything I signed up for in one of them.  In the other three I've had playable games (SolForge is fantastic, Defense Grid 2 isn't out but DG:Containment is, and while Castle Story is the least playable (and also the one I put the least money into, for developer confidence reasons mentioned above) it's nevertheless a playable prototype.)

  Hrimnir

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4/06/13 1:06:57 AM#39
Originally posted by Stromm

Wow. No idea where to even start, and really can't be bothered trying.

The mob here are gonna stick pitchforks up your taint, so relax.

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  Reklaw

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4/06/13 1:09:46 AM#40
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

Wooah yay players can fund the game they've always wanted.. or simply fund more disappointment from sales men that have a good sales pitch ?

 

THeir's a reason why something doe off, it is cause they suck and people didn't want to play the games. I've been looking over the kickstarter games list and I got to say that this is the end of the road for almost every genre on the pc platform. The pc platform was always about the future of the entire gaming genre with consoles playing catch. That is how it should always be, with the technologies we can put into gaming machines, a pc gamer should never be last to get the best.

 

But here we are, last at getting the best, and in our angst of wanted something, kickstarter comes along and all of a sudden it breathes life into games that we really don't need, want or even going to play even if they are released. I was super excited for kickstarter, but as time goes on the inevitable will happen :

 

Time line is missed for release

Aha you mean every A-Titlle company always releases on time?

Game Never releases and developers skips town

Of course that could happen

The game is utter garbage cause jonny boy in his garage just wasn't up to the task

Atleast jonny boy tried...

A big Publisher snatches the title that the community was told was going to be indie

Sorry I don't know enough about kickstarter to know if that is even possible...is it?

big publishers funnel through kickstarter double dipping  by getting players to fund a development cycle, then selling the title back to then for 59.99.

Good thing their are laws/rules and perks for pledgers on kickstarter that I do know.

 

I refuse to put money down on words, visions, theories or a cool graphic image. I don't care if you are lord British, Brad Mcquaid or Steven Spielberg. if the developer is serious about a game, he will find the proper funding for it, instead of the smoke and mirrors os kickstarter. With that said, almost every pc kickstarter program is for technology that is 4 to 5 years behind consoles. Simply unacceptable.

 That you refuse to pu money down on those reasons of words/vision/theories etc is very understandable. But MMORPG's fundamentally always seem about 4 to 5 years behind singleplayer games doesn't really mater if it's kicktarter or just your common A-Tittle MMO, has also nothing to do with console's but then again you already know that else you would have seen allot more MMO's on console to make such a statement.

/off soap box

 

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