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News & Features Discussion  » [General Article] Defiance: Review In Progress #1

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Advanced Member

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Posts: 396

4/04/13 6:11:15 PM#41

Enjoying this game presently, also looking forward to the show. However I do have a couple of gripes.

The UI is an issue, it just needs a bit of tweaking and streamling though so not a massive issue. I am hoping more feedback on this will help improve the service. 

The other issue for me (baring in mind im only a couple of hours in) is the large amount of MOD related rewards. Which, I suppose might not be an issue later, but considering that two hours in I still have not received a gone that is capable of equipping a mod. 

I have had to literally gut my bag and sell mods I didn't really want to sell and just keep ones I intend to use for my first load out which is sniper rifle and shotgun. 

All in all though the game is quite enjoyable and I wouldn't really call it an 'FPS' it is simular to Mass Effect without the cover mechanics. 


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Joined: 12/23/07
Posts: 481

4/04/13 7:45:29 PM#42

I didn't fall for it this time. I resisted buying a game on potential. I did find the game fun in beta, but afer a while the bugs, the interface and all the other little things start to stand out more. I do think this game could be something pretty fun, I also have faith in Trion that they will support this game. That being said, as a company they have a lot on their plate right now - so it is possible that we won't see the same great level of support that we see with Rift. Things might take a little longer to get fixed or changed.

I'm hoping this game does live up to it's potential, but I'm tired of paying for potential. I'll wait until the game is in a little better shape.


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4/04/13 8:54:57 PM#43
Originally posted by KingofHartz
Originally posted by snapfusion
Originally posted by KingofHartz
Its fun but on a ps3 48 vs 48 pvp and 300 people pve fighting an arkfall is an absolute mess. Its very chaotic which I do enjoy but performance wise its a mess. Day 2 seemed to bring on many many new players and the ps3 servers are overloaded.
Its still fun and very chaotic. The performance issue in pvp is unacceptable pve gets away with a bit more so long as you dont die but bith can be fixed and hopefully soon they will be.

Gee what a shame, I had roughly, 80 people on screen last night in the middle of a super chaotic event, cars, people monsters zerging everwhere and I was still pulling a solid 60 plus FPS on my, I admit rather beefy PC.  But my point is dont expect to play a game like this on your toy console and get the console single player button mashing performance your used to from the comfort of your sofa.   Suck it up and buy a PC or pop in the lastest console shooter disc and stop complaining.


***warning fat agression overload*** Chill dude I wasnt complaining just stating what is. Im not saying change the game for pc I would expect pc to be able to handle 10 times what consoles can. There are no games out worth buying a pc for right now. Buying a pc is a bad investment considdring the poor quality of games and the fast changing pace of technology. For ps3 defiance just needs to scale it back a bit.

Poor quality of games?  Sorry, but the pc has many games that are vastly superior to anything you can find on consoles.

As for the review in progress, I have to say I mostly agree.  Its not a "real" mmo yet but its still very fun.  Also, if you go to the Gameplay options in the settings, set Show Damage Numbers to ON to get a more Borderlands like experience, plus you will have a better idea on how much damage you are doing.

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Joined: 4/26/07
Posts: 25

4/04/13 9:57:07 PM#44
Having the opportunity to play this game in the final beta weekend was truly a blessing, because it is the "John Carter" of video games.  Trion pulled their dev team from Rift for this?  I'm sorry but in my opinion, this game is going to tank like the aformentioned movie. They will be lucky to recoup the advertising budget.

Defender of Worlds

Joined: 5/20/04
Posts: 3466

I actually still like MMORPGs

4/04/13 11:44:58 PM#45
John Carter was an awesome movie, and Defiance is a great game! So good analogy :-p


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4/04/13 11:57:03 PM#46
Originally posted by Precusor

It lacks size and depth which is understandable for a console port.



Im so sick of this console excuse because Final Fantasy 11 was pretty big and had a lot of depth in many aspects of gameplay than most mmos that are only PC...Its crafting system was complex, there is the skillchain system, being able to change to any class with a single character, the sub-job system where you can mix classes, earning advanced classes through difficult quests, Aquiring Artifact Armor, and some of the most difficult boss fights of any mmo that took a lot of planning and strategy. So please, cuz for a console mmo it had so much more depth than many popular PC only mmos.


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Joined: 5/26/04
Posts: 485

4/05/13 5:13:17 AM#47

Paid preorder....have yet to play the game.

Trion customer support is some of the worst I've ever seen.

The game was fun during beta, but if someone offered me a full refund right now I'd take it.


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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5427

4/05/13 5:20:16 AM#48
Originally posted by Binny45

Paid preorder....have yet to play the game.

Trion customer support is some of the worst I've ever seen.

The game was fun during beta, but if someone offered me a full refund right now I'd take it.

 The whole game is a trainwreck at the moment, with so many issues. Their CS is totally overloaded with a huge backlog!

Wish I could have resisted the urge to buy as well and kept the 60 bucks in my wallet.

Especially after today's announcement that the first patch won't be coming until after the 15th of April.

So we are stuck with a broken game, no working chat system (in an MMO for christ sake) for two weeks before it (hopefully) becomes more playable and you'll be able to actually communicate with other players ingame.


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Joined: 11/08/07
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4/05/13 6:17:24 AM#49
Originally posted by snapfusion
Originally posted by KingofHartz
Its fun but on a ps3 48 vs 48 pvp and 300 people pve fighting an arkfall is an absolute mess. Its very chaotic which I do enjoy but performance wise its a mess. Day 2 seemed to bring on many many new players and the ps3 servers are overloaded.
Its still fun and very chaotic. The performance issue in pvp is unacceptable pve gets away with a bit more so long as you dont die but bith can be fixed and hopefully soon they will be.

Gee what a shame, I had roughly, 80 people on screen last night in the middle of a super chaotic event, cars, people monsters zerging everwhere and I was still pulling a solid 60 plus FPS on my, I admit rather beefy PC.  But my point is dont expect to play a game like this on your toy console and get the console single player button mashing performance your used to from the comfort of your sofa.   Suck it up and buy a PC or pop in the lastest console shooter disc and stop complaining.

That was a bit harsh. Consoles are fine tuned gaming machines (though this generation is nearly over and the current systems we have are now outdated) but PC gaming is not 100% the best way to go or without major drawbacks. I've been PC gaming since 1999 (gaming in general since around 1986) and I can tell you PC gaming is in general unreliable. PC's are all differant. One person may have an Nvidia graphics card and another an ATI. You may find out that your ATI graphics card is buggy at best with Game A, but on game B you may run super smooth. Also some games may come out that don't even run on your system or that you'll have to spend days troubleshooting. The nice things about consoles is that they're unified. Developers know the hardware like the back of their hands and know what it can do, and they know every player has the same hardware. With that in mind they can build games specificaly tailored to run on those systems.


The reason Defiance is having issues on consoles like that is mainly due to the fact that this generation of consoles is ending this year (or next year). After that PS4 and Xbox 720 will be upto speed and you'll see PCs for a while on a similar level. PC gaming is great, but it does have major drawbacks just as console gaming does too. So yes I hate it when PC gamers get on their high horse and act like PCs are the end-all gaming platform and that no other platform is valid or worth anyones time. For the longest time at the start of this generation of gaming it was consoles not PCs that were holding the industry up. PC gaming may be becoming more popular these days and a lot of people keep talking about the consoles eventual demise but I honestly don't see it happening any time soon. Remember most games in general are built and developed for consoles and PCs are in some ways an after thought, a market that developers exploit because it's so easy to port their games over because in many cases they were designed on PCs.


So next time your playing your AAA PC title (that happens to be on Xbox or PS) just remember that the devs were likely creating the game to cash in on the multi-billion dollar console market and my point with that is that modern gaming owes much of its recent evolution to consoles and the console market.


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4/05/13 6:24:04 AM#50

Horrible chat system makes it hard to interact with others. Mostly feel like a solo console shooter.

There are not trading / auction houses

No bank space

Can not mail to other players

No trading or exchanging items with others.

No crafting system

PVP is average

Guild system is very basic.

If you can look past the shortcomings, there is some fun to be find in there for a week or two. Just treat it like any other shooter game you buy for console you won't be disappointed. There is hardly anything MMOish about it.


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Joined: 11/02/04
Posts: 49

4/05/13 6:30:03 AM#51

Do not buy this game. I did and I regret that. The game is faulty/bugged product with a lot of flaws/problems/lags/unfinished stuff etc. The worst thing is that Trion has the worst "customer support" ever. They treat every owner of the game as sth what cat dragged... They follow "We already have your money, s**er!" policy, as they are not bound by any monthly payments plans, so the more people they discourage from playing the less problems will their "customer support" have.  

My HYPE level was high, esp after the beta phase, that's why I bought that game. It is the last time I did that. Thanks to TRION and their disrespectful treatment - I will wait few months to buy anything "freshly launched". Unfortunatelly for me - my +xp/scrip bonus timer is ticking... and cannot be paused, as it is based on realtime. 

My Advice : DO NOT BUY THIS GAME NOW. WAIT A MONTH OR TWO. FOLLOW GAME FORUMS. Then decide if you want to give your money to such company.


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4/05/13 6:33:44 AM#52

Trion is deaf for our refund claims. I did and receiver NULL answers in that topic. They (TRION) do not comply with Customer's Rights Protection Laws.



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4/05/13 6:42:25 AM#53
i m sad to see all those negative comments about TRION. i respect them as a former  RIFT player. i wanted to buy defiance but i ll wait a couple of months to see how it gows.

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4/05/13 12:07:43 PM#54

loving the game on the PS3 - the cut scenes are quite good with decent voice acting.

the horny van boch or whatever his name is, cracks me up.

arkfalls are fun, running out of ammo isn't... so many guns, loving assault rifles and infectors.

but yeah it's better than some full fledged MMO's (looking at you DC). And quite fun, rough around the edges... but


1) i'm having fun

2) people around me actually help out and are having fun

so far better than most MMO's ;) plus i have a gun....



way too many "mods" rewards, although one of the episode rewards was a lovely blue assault rifle with 4 mod parts.... my green rifle upgraded 4 times was more powerful though. c'est la vie.


i got most of the story background from the series wiki though rather than in game.... not really an explanation of such of what happened before... unless i missed it :P

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4/05/13 1:52:36 PM#55

STAY AWAY! DO NOT BUY THIS GAME! The Customer Support is worse than SOE circa Shadows of Luclin.

I've been trying to get my account sorted out for days and the only response I've had from Trion is a warning for cursing out a Troll on the forums.  I think their Customer Support section is non-existant.

Starve em out, see if they sort themselves out, otherwise I hope they crash and burn.  Tired of being taken advantage by these companies.

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4/05/13 1:58:08 PM#56
I found out if you pay your bills on time things workout better, give it a go. :-)

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4/05/13 2:14:38 PM#57

Well when I saw it in the store today for $59.99 I did a double take.  There is no way this game is worth that price.

At that price they are not going to do very well.  There marketing department is dreaming.


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4/05/13 4:12:27 PM#58
Another mediocre game, bound to be forgotten in the next 3 months.

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4/05/13 5:23:19 PM#59

Notice that the Mutants say "hey you guuuuuuys"  

Totally a sloth reference.

Please nerf Rock, he's too overpowered. But Paper balanced.


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4/06/13 4:34:47 AM#60
Originally posted by Vampero

My quick thought’s about Defiance ! Don’t call it a MMO ,save your money ! If you called it a 3rd person multiplayer online shooter, I would have been ok with it.

The show is going to be better than the

*UI is made for consoles
*Chat system is lacking
*Can’t change the UI
*No Crafting
*No real guild system
*Mutants are dumber than a box of rocks.
*The Mutants remind me of  sloth from the Goonies ! Baby Ruth,Baby Ruth !
*Skill tree’s are so weak
*Arkfalls are a carbon copy of Rifts
*No auction house too !

Its a mmo and what you stated does not make a mmo a mmo anyways. Those are features of mmo's. If you mean its not a mmorpg then yes you're right. Its a mmotps. Its has massive amounts of players in the same world, check. Yep its a mmo

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