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  Murugan

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4/02/13 11:33:44 AM#21
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Sheanix

I'm curious about the term they use when talking about importing the game to North America. The term "westerize".

 

Im basically curious as to what it is meant when they say "westernize" a game. A lot of the complaints about western games recently is the about how they are all so similar and a lot of hype has already been generated around this game based on what players have seen (which is the game "un-westernized")

Is a "westernized" game just a matter of translation? Or will they be changing things that may change the views of potential buyers?

It can depend.

One example that was given for Aion was a storyline that revolved around a son and a father. Might have been grandfather. It was explained that the deference for an elder wasn't quite as strong in Western cultures as it was in Eastern cultures.

My girlfriend who is of chinese heritage has told me that in chinese families, being the eldest, espcially as a son, has a greater importance. She also said that it's expected that the children, especially the oldest, had a duty to take care fo the parents, even if that meant paying their rent. Or something to that effect.

Of course her family is mostly westernized but They still go to the cemetaries of their deceased elders and burn a dead chicken along  with fake money.

Yup. they do that.

Thank god here in the west we just toss our parents out into the streets.  I know I for one would not understand a story about a father and a son... I mean who cares about their stupid parents LOL.

 

/sarcasm

 

It is almost as insulting when Korean/Chinese developers talk about "western culture and gaming preferences" as it is when people on this forum go all racist over "Asian grinders!!!!".

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  Karteli

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4/02/13 11:35:52 AM#22
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Sheanix

I'm curious about the term they use when talking about importing the game to North America. The term "westerize".

 

Im basically curious as to what it is meant when they say "westernize" a game. A lot of the complaints about western games recently is the about how they are all so similar and a lot of hype has already been generated around this game based on what players have seen (which is the game "un-westernized")

Is a "westernized" game just a matter of translation? Or will they be changing things that may change the views of potential buyers?

It can depend.

One example that was given for Aion was a storyline that revolved around a son and a father. Might have been grandfather. It was explained that the deference for an elder wasn't quite as strong in Western cultures as it was in Eastern cultures.

My girlfriend who is of chinese heritage has told me that in chinese families, being the eldest, espcially as a son, has a greater importance. She also said that it's expected that the children, especially the oldest, had a duty to take care fo the parents, even if that meant paying their rent. Or something to that effect.

Of course her family is mostly westernized but They still go to the cemetaries of their deceased elders and burn a dead chicken along  with fake money.

Yup. they do that.

I don't know enough about Korean customs and beliefs, but I do recall there had to be an Easternized version of WoW for the Chinese, because stuff like graveyards were taboo (with a curse?), and any reference to the Dead or the Living Dead had to be completely removed - skeletons, etc.  Some other things too.

 

If it's kept just as culture changes to Westernize, that'd be OK.  All the same, if that were the case, I wish they would just have said so :/

 

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  birdycephon

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4/02/13 11:41:30 AM#23
I wish they would stop removing features from games. I cant give any examples in this game cuz I dont know any details, but there have been a number of asinine changes done to other games I'm vexxed about like screwing up or removing some character customization features just to name one.
  Sovrath

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4/02/13 11:43:52 AM#24
Originally posted by Murugan
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Sheanix

I'm curious about the term they use when talking about importing the game to North America. The term "westerize".

 

Im basically curious as to what it is meant when they say "westernize" a game. A lot of the complaints about western games recently is the about how they are all so similar and a lot of hype has already been generated around this game based on what players have seen (which is the game "un-westernized")

Is a "westernized" game just a matter of translation? Or will they be changing things that may change the views of potential buyers?

It can depend.

One example that was given for Aion was a storyline that revolved around a son and a father. Might have been grandfather. It was explained that the deference for an elder wasn't quite as strong in Western cultures as it was in Eastern cultures.

My girlfriend who is of chinese heritage has told me that in chinese families, being the eldest, espcially as a son, has a greater importance. She also said that it's expected that the children, especially the oldest, had a duty to take care fo the parents, even if that meant paying their rent. Or something to that effect.

Of course her family is mostly westernized but They still go to the cemetaries of their deceased elders and burn a dead chicken along  with fake money.

Yup. they do that.

Thank god here in the west we just toss our parents out into the streets.  I know I for one would not understand a story about a father and a son... I mean who cares about their stupid parents LOL.

 

/sarcasm

 

It is almost as insulting when Korean/Chinese developers talk about "western culture and gaming preferences" as it is when people on this forum go all racist over "Asian grinders!!!!".

I think you are taking it to the wrong place.

It's not about "not caring about your parnets" and in the case of the particular story the details are fuzzy as it was a long time ago, but it dealt more with a level of shame and sense of duty and I believe "deference" to the elder. We in the west don't always feel that deference if at all.

so for instance, have you automatically started taking care of your parents? Assuming the bills and giving them an allowance because it's your place to do so? Even if they don't need it? Or do you wait until you think they need it and give them money, making sure they are ok. This is assuming they are eldery/retired.

You might even, automatically have them move in with you as a matter of course. This was explained to me as well. Also, in a chinese family a child is still a child (no matter the age) until they get married. I'm fuzzy about the details but I think they move out once they get married but stay in the household until then.

A friend of mine from Jordan once told me that not only was he expecting/expected to take care of his parents but he was going to build another level on their house so that his parents did not have to move and he could then make sure he was there to take care of all their needs.

What we are talking about here are not the larger points such as "kids love their parents and take care of them" but the details, the how and why. Sense of duty and sense of shame seems to be big over there. We obviouisly have duty and of course feel shame but it doesn't seem to be a deep seated cultural thing.

You'd have to ask someone who was asian and who had strong ties to traditioin to get a better explanation.

 

 

  JimmyYO

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4/02/13 11:46:40 AM#25
How do you Westernize character creation, make them fat? lol Ok that was in bad taste.
  Vorthanion

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4/02/13 11:50:08 AM#26
From past experience, most "Westernized" games were primarily translations, with maybe a tweak here and there.  This time though, we have Trion doing the Westernizing and that could mean a much more robust tweaking of the game to better fit the target audience.  One thing I can say about Trion is that they aren't a company of slackers.  They are obviously willing to put in the extra effort required to make money.

  Sovrath

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4/02/13 11:53:10 AM#27
Originally posted by Murugan
 

Thank god here in the west we just toss our parents out into the streets.  I know I for one would not understand a story about a father and a son... I mean who cares about their stupid parents LOL.

lol, and actually I've told my mother I'm putting her on an ice flow when the time comes.

It will be a cold day in hell before she moves in with me.

 

  shantiba

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4/02/13 12:39:41 PM#28
I think adding new faces as mentioned above does not imply the removal of faces currently available.
  TribeofOne

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4/02/13 2:58:22 PM#29
you guys know this isnt just an "American/Western" thing,  they also "Asianize" games going from west to east. You have to take language and cultural standards in to account
  Purutzil

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4/02/13 3:02:05 PM#30

Westernizing usualy can detail changes in the art (clothing and all) and some dialog changes. Sadly tends to dumb down a lot of games as well at times to trivialize the 'progression' which unfortunately most western games are about instant gratification over satisfying rewards. 

 

Truthfully, we won't see what happens till its released. Trion is a great company at the least so they will take good care of it, though if they dumb it down to much we have yet to see. Hopefully its mostly just translation work.

  Sheanix

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OP  4/03/13 12:33:46 AM#31
Originally posted by Karteli

There was this bit from a recent Q&A

 

http://www.mmoculture.com/2013/03/archeage-interview-with-trion-worlds-for-upcoming-epic-title/

In this interview, I will be looking to ask Trion Worlds some brief questions, such as why choose ArcheAge, the possible challenges and how the company is going to ramp up its services for this MMORPG epic.


Q: Are there plans to “change” any part of ArcheAge’s content during localization? Or is “westernization” a more appropriate word to use?


A: There’s a lot of conversation going on between Trion and XLGAMES on what makes sense to change. We don’t want to change the essence of the game, but we definitely want to give the Western audiences a game that is more … well .. Western

We’ve found out that XLGAMES had many of the same thoughts as us, so many of the changes will be game wide, not just for the West. We are also working with XLGAMES on some Western-specific changes, such as character creation options, which our players are expecting.

 

They say they aren't changing the essence of the game, which is a big plus.

 

 

 

 I do like the sound of not changing the essence of the game. Gives a little relief but what still worries me here is when the person says "XLGAMES had many of the same thoughts as us, so many of the changes will be game wide". Great, from the sounds of it. But it doesn't say they agreed to all the changes, so some things XL GAMES did not like or did not think would fit. 

 

Of course, we'll have to wait to really see what changes have been made. Hopefully they are smart enough to understand what got this game hyped up to begin with.

 

I'll still most likely buy the game because there are a lot of things they would have to screw up for it to be worse than our current MMO's (my opinion) and , I mean, what are the odds? Lol..

  TheHavok

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4/03/13 12:52:27 AM#32
Originally posted by colddog04

Probably mostly translation and the UI. Even though there is a substantial difference between the way western and eastern audiences view things, I doubt they are going to change the structure of the game significantly.

 

It already works and is a game. If it ain't broke, don't fix it and all that nonsense.

Pretty much this. 

As long as I can do crazy shit like this, i'll be happy.

  ElRenmazuo

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4/03/13 12:55:06 AM#33
Originally posted by TheHavok
Originally posted by colddog04

Probably mostly translation and the UI. Even though there is a substantial difference between the way western and eastern audiences view things, I doubt they are going to change the structure of the game significantly.

 

It already works and is a game. If it ain't broke, don't fix it and all that nonsense.

Pretty much this. 

As long as I can do crazy shit like this, i'll be happy.

Death from above nows thats something i havent seen in mmos before

  Sheanix

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OP  4/03/13 1:32:36 AM#34
Originally posted by TheHavok
Originally posted by colddog04

Probably mostly translation and the UI. Even though there is a substantial difference between the way western and eastern audiences view things, I doubt they are going to change the structure of the game significantly.

 

It already works and is a game. If it ain't broke, don't fix it and all that nonsense.

Pretty much this. 

As long as I can do crazy shit like this, i'll be happy.

I saw this video a couple days ago. Amazing to see all aspects of pvp in one long battle haha. I simply cannot wait for this game.

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