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  asyndeton

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OP  3/26/13 7:33:45 PM#1

So I am in a time of life where I have more time than I want to have. This is good and bad, but one good thing is I can try games that I previously didn't.

Now enters the real problem, finding a game.

I've been looking forward to Archage and such, EQNext seems to look interesting.

I started with EQ1, played EQ2 for a long time.

 

I guess the point I am trying to get at, is Vanguard worth looking in to? I dont really know much about what seems to be a muddled history of the game. However, it has some features that I really like, Player Housing, large class options, crafting, etc.

 

Well, I will probably try it out anyway, any suggestions for a beginner? Or anyone want to play with? (PS I am pretty casual when it comes to gameplay)

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3/26/13 7:37:18 PM#2
I don't know about Vanguard. I just received a mail today that they are shutting down one of their servers. I'd check it out first. They don't have many left running. 
  DavisFlight

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3/26/13 7:38:49 PM#3

This is not an incredibly casual friendly game. The dungeons are HARD, and non instanced. The quests are more akin to oldschool quests, with subtle storytelling and puzzle solving. You aren't the hero, you are A hero in the world.

There is more content and explorable areas than you could ever hope to see all of, give it a go.

  TribeofOne

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3/26/13 8:25:07 PM#4
Originally posted by topographic
I don't know about Vanguard. I just received a mail today that they are shutting down one of their servers. I'd check it out first. They don't have many left running. 

after the merge there will be 1 server left, Telon. In all honesty the EU server has needed this for a long time now after the merge hopefully they will implement the fabled "lag fix" that we've been hearing about for a while.

  asyndeton

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OP  3/27/13 12:14:12 AM#5

I guess when I said casual I meant "slower pace" I don't mind things being difficult or taking a long time, in fact that is what I prefer, I will probably download the game and check it out later on tonight.

 

Thanks for the responses guys!

  Goldknyght

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3/27/13 1:19:36 AM#6

Vanguard is easy to play casual. Just some classes are easier then others when it comes to playing casual. Dungeons are only hard if you are trying to solo them. Its a dungeon so obviously you will need a group. Its not to hard to find people to play with if you play at certain times. I have a 41 disciple, 33 dk, 30 bard, 21 necro, 23 monk. Running a sorc and a ranger next on my agenda. Out of the classes ive played Disciple is the most easiest to solo with. The other classes it was a little bit harder. I have people i play with and have did a few dungeons.

Crafting is pretty much a grind and you should follow the crafting skill up guide on telonproject. It will keep your skills at certain levels so when you level your skill ups arn't out of wack and your having to many complications.

Diplomacy has a story line until lvl 20 or lower depending on how much you grind parleys for certain quests throughout the story line. Ive been told there is another line of quests that starts at 30ish but i havent done them myself so i cant comment on them.

Vanguard is fun if you don't mind the grind. And they have actually cut the grind back some because it used to be alot worse, but they haven't killed it totally where you feel your not grinding for your rewards. Because you will feel it LOL

  Everket

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3/27/13 6:17:46 PM#7
Maybe I don't know what grind means, but playing the game doing quests and instances is grinding?
  Goldknyght

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3/28/13 1:01:35 AM#8
Originally posted by Everket
Maybe I don't know what grind means, but playing the game doing quests and instances is grinding?

You will have to keep doing something to acheive your goal repeatedly over and over again. One example is the quest for Wardship Armor , you will need to farm out runes, armor peices, and candles. Well the items you need wont drop on every mob you kill, they drop on every 10th mob you kill or even 20th. On top of that its random for which peice you will even receive. So you will just be killing the same mob over and over again till you get all the peices you need. On top of that, in order to even get the armor you will need 2000 for the first 3 peices and they start you at -2000 faction and each mob you kill gives you only +6. There is a repeatable quest u can grab that will give you 1000 a turn in but it requires you to kill 50 of the requested mobs each time.

So in other words when you start to do this armor quest line you will have to grind your faction to get the armor.

  Everket

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3/28/13 8:38:53 AM#9
Okay? but that is just one quest, how can you say the whole game is a grind? And I'm pretty sure you don't have to do that quest. But maybe I'm misunderstanding your meaning.
  Vesavius

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3/28/13 8:44:37 AM#10
Originally posted by asyndeton

So I am in a time of life where I have more time than I want to have. This is good and bad, but one good thing is I can try games that I previously didn't.

Now enters the real problem, finding a game.

I've been looking forward to Archage and such, EQNext seems to look interesting.

I started with EQ1, played EQ2 for a long time.

 

I guess the point I am trying to get at, is Vanguard worth looking in to? I dont really know much about what seems to be a muddled history of the game. However, it has some features that I really like, Player Housing, large class options, crafting, etc.

 

Well, I will probably try it out anyway, any suggestions for a beginner? Or anyone want to play with? (PS I am pretty casual when it comes to gameplay)

 

Wait for FFXIV: ARR is my advice. It will offer player housing etc and still is a slower pace game.

Vanguard... everytime I talk about this game I get a little sad. SOE's 'committed' support for it has dried up again (once they got the cash shop in) and I honestly do not think it's worth playing at this point more then out of a morbid curiosity for what could have been.

  Goldknyght

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3/29/13 3:48:56 AM#11
Originally posted by Everket
Okay? but that is just one quest, how can you say the whole game is a grind? And I'm pretty sure you don't have to do that quest. But maybe I'm misunderstanding your meaning.

are you bleeping stupid?? that was an example!

  Everket

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3/29/13 1:24:04 PM#12
Yes kinda. To make you understand how dumb it is to call something grindy based upon a couple of quests.
  Wizardry

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3/29/13 1:31:32 PM#13

Vanguard is a game i put on the top 5 of all time.This game could have been w/o doubt the best on the market,however Sigil [former SOE guys] ran out of money.So who knwos what this game could have become if not rushed out the door.

Having said that,it is still as good as they come.The only real lacking feeatures are what i enjoy about FFXI ...sub class and more depth to combat.

However if you like or liked Wow or EQ or EQ2,VG is right there.It has better view distances,graphics equal to EQ2,seamless maps,political mini game.You wont harvest a silly log node like you do in other games,yo uwill actually chop a tree down.There  is other stuff as well,it is a good game.

Only thing i wish it didn't do was copy EQ so much,it is basically an EQ2 clone,with some improvements,additions.

 

 

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  Benedikt

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3/29/13 2:18:37 PM#14

well that depends totally on your preferences, but unles you have only a little space on HDD or slow/limited Inet, i would say there is not a reason not to just try and see, since it is F2P.

i see it this way:

cons:

bugs - there are still bugs, mostly just anoying than game breaking, but there are

lags - i dont usually really experience it, but from time to time it comes and can hit hard

graphics - well this one is pretty subjective, but a lot of people say characeter graphics and animations are really weak (i dont think so, but i am not the one to ask since i dont care about graphics and still play MUD :) )

static combat - again i dont think so, but i actually dont like twitch combat, so ... :)

crafting is grindy - this is true, but e.g. i do think that crafting process in vanguard is best out there so i dont mind :)

no pvp at all

 

pros:

(imo) best crafting process out there, with pretty complex item system

diplomacy - quite simple, but imo pretty funny card game ingeniously tied with quests, buffs and other things (like exchangign "bits of informations" you get from it for eq and consumables)

great and really different selection of classes

crafting, harvesting, diplomacy and adventuring are spheres of its own, leveled independently (except for harvesting you mostly need adventuring otherwise the mobs will slaughter you)

fishing - fishing done as an interesting minigame, but cant be unfortunatelly greately affected by lag

housing and ship building

huge world where you can just ignore quests and simply walk around killing things

  Goldknyght

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4/01/13 3:21:24 PM#15
Originally posted by Everket
Yes kinda. To make you understand how dumb it is to call something grindy based upon a couple of quests.

I understand what your trying to say but the game is grindy for most of the better items in the game. You grind to craft, you grind to diplo, and to say the game isnt grindy is a lie and you know it.

  asyndeton

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OP  4/03/13 10:48:26 PM#16

Well, I have been playing here and there for about a week now I guess. And let me say that I have been pleasantly surprised. The game has a really intriguing atmosphere about it that I enjoy. I really like exploring the three different spheres, the classes are pretty unique, and since I haven't spent a dime on the game it seems like an awesome deal to me. 

 

Community is nice, I actually like the graphics, its not laggy, has housing (huge plus, but I havent been able to try that yet).

 

The thought that keeps recurring to me, however is: If only.

 

What sort of things could be in this game now, where could have some expansions taken it?

 

However, the only thing I am truly missing is an AA system like what EQ2 has.

 

But hey, overall, Vanguard seems pretty solid and fun to me.

 

Also as a sidenote to  a post here: I was actually looking a little bit at FF14 today. I was trying to find out if it has housing, glad to hear that it will, I will maybe look at it in the future more when it comes out and I am ready for more than a passing game.

 

 

*Edit: doesn't appear to be any more grindy than any other mmo in nature (Mind you my highest character is level 11, lol)

  itchmon

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4/04/13 12:12:23 AM#17

i came back to vg recently for the Nth time, got pretty into it and then i hit that same wall concerning the animations.  after a couple months they really start to wear on me and i end up installing it.

 

i really hope that the folks at sony look carefully at the systems of VG when working on EQnext and realize that these are great systems, they are just systems that are set up for failure by some very amateur-hour sounds and animations :\  i know it is a little small of me to weigh so heavily on graphics and production value but those two are really immersion breakers for me.

 

it is doubly a shame for me because i m a big fan of fantasy art and one of the very best ever lost his life while working on VG. 

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  VengeSunsoar

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4/13/13 5:11:39 PM#18

I've said it before, Vanguard is not a bad game.

It has many things that I look for in a game but to me it's only an ok, game, not bad, not great, but ok.

It seems for so many of it's systems they reached a point of good enough and left it before it became really good or great, which given it's history and funding issues may have been what actually happened.

Housing, I love housing, and Vanguard has it, but only a few styles per continent, pretty limited.  I prefer EQ2 with, while instance, lets me build my own house brick and board style.  Or Istaria which gives me a plot and thousands of things to build on it (although few decorations)

Flight, it's got it, but only a few mounts.

Classes, mostly same classes as most other MMO's but each with a bit of a twist, can't fault them for that.  I'd rather have multi-classing or skill based myself though.

Graphics, great environment, bad animations, and some pretty ugly characters IMO.

Diplomacy, have to give them props for trying something different. Personally thought it was hugely boring but it was different.

Quests - standard.

So overall, not a bad game, just not enough to pull me away from the games I am playing.  It could have been great, it just needed a little something more for me, not quite sure what but just more.  Every time I've played I've lasted a week, then said "meh" and left.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  nerovipus32

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4/13/13 5:25:24 PM#19
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by asyndeton

So I am in a time of life where I have more time than I want to have. This is good and bad, but one good thing is I can try games that I previously didn't.

Now enters the real problem, finding a game.

I've been looking forward to Archage and such, EQNext seems to look interesting.

I started with EQ1, played EQ2 for a long time.

 

I guess the point I am trying to get at, is Vanguard worth looking in to? I dont really know much about what seems to be a muddled history of the game. However, it has some features that I really like, Player Housing, large class options, crafting, etc.

 

Well, I will probably try it out anyway, any suggestions for a beginner? Or anyone want to play with? (PS I am pretty casual when it comes to gameplay)

 

Wait for FFXIV: ARR is my advice. It will offer player housing etc and still is a slower pace game.

Vanguard... everytime I talk about this game I get a little sad. SOE's 'committed' support for it has dried up again (once they got the cash shop in) and I honestly do not think it's worth playing at this point more then out of a morbid curiosity for what could have been.

FFXIV a realm reborn is nothing like vanguard, the charm with vanguard is the freedom ffxiv a realm reborn is a traditional wow style mmo.

  nerovipus32

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4/13/13 5:27:58 PM#20
Originally posted by Wizardry

Vanguard is a game i put on the top 5 of all time.This game could have been w/o doubt the best on the market,however Sigil [former SOE guys] ran out of money.So who knwos what this game could have become if not rushed out the door.

Having said that,it is still as good as they come.The only real lacking feeatures are what i enjoy about FFXI ...sub class and more depth to combat.

However if you like or liked Wow or EQ or EQ2,VG is right there.It has better view distances,graphics equal to EQ2,seamless maps,political mini game.You wont harvest a silly log node like you do in other games,yo uwill actually chop a tree down.There  is other stuff as well,it is a good game.

Only thing i wish it didn't do was copy EQ so much,it is basically an EQ2 clone,with some improvements,additions.

 

 

Without SOE this game would never have been released, it was originally microsoft who were publishing the game but they pulled out mid way through development.

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