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  gordiflu

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3/27/13 2:43:40 AM#21
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Originally posted by Cromica
lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.

They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.

Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?

 

  Gaia_Hunter

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3/27/13 5:38:17 AM#22
Originally posted by versulas
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Oh my god!

Someone is unhappy with some balance changes to a videogame!

Unheard of!

Especially changes made to the class they play.

I would say anyone still playing this game must be suffering from Stockholm syndrome, since the game is so unplayable.

 

So you still playing the game?

Seriously. I mean, how terrible is Anet. They cant even balance their classes. Everyone knows every game has all class balance perfected within like  a month afte rlaunch. No game ever in history is still doing at least minor balancing patches even several years after launch. Remember how even WoW achieved perfect balance in like a week and has never changed anyc lasses since?

Oh wait...

Well, considering they started without tanks and healers (yes, yes I know... There are specs that can be tanky or provide lots of support, go kill yourself), it should have made their job easier.

Not saying it had to be perfect out of the box, but I don't think they should be immune to any and all criticism either. It's not like pallies in WoW where whole talent trees went unused for years at a time. These classes, despite their uniqueness, all have the same damn job. If there's a major gap in performance, it should be immediately noticeable. 

So that is why there is no difference of performance between tanks? Between healers? And between DPSes?

And must I remind you that players thought that melee was useless, especially in dungeons?

And now even after nerfs and no significant boosts, warriors are the most powerful PvE class and probably the least powerful PvP class?

What about all the mess about the hybrids in WoW? Add damage penalty, remove damage penalty, remove hybrids.

Maybe balancing something that has the same function but performs it in a different way is harder.

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  Doogiehowser

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3/27/13 5:40:20 AM#23
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Originally posted by Cromica
lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.

They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.

Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?

 

B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.

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  Gaia_Hunter

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3/27/13 5:45:27 AM#24
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Originally posted by Cromica
lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.

They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.

Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?

 

B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.

Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..

 

Currently playing: GW2
Cooperative (semi cooperative)board games you should check: Pandemic, Sentinels of the Multiverse, Eldritch Horror, Descent 2.0,Level 7 Omega Protocol, Last Night on Earth

  stevebombsquad

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Joined: 3/20/13
Posts: 605

3/27/13 6:32:25 AM#25
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Originally posted by Cromica
lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.

They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.

Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?

 

B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.

Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..

 

That is why their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced from any AAA MMO company. They do release a lot of content though and I give them that. I do prefer the subscription model to avoid the RNG pay to get something practice that seems to be prevalent in B2P and F2P games.

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  cinos

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3/27/13 7:17:12 AM#26
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Originally posted by Cromica
lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.

They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.

Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?

 

B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.

Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..

 

That is why their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced from any AAA MMO company. They do release a lot of content though and I give them that. I do prefer the subscription model to avoid the RNG pay to get something practice that seems to be prevalent in B2P and F2P games.

When did you experience this bad customer service though?

They've ramped up their support staff immensly since launch. Most tickets apparently get answered within a couple of hours at most now. My experience fell in line with that claim too.

  Gaia_Hunter

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Posts: 2584

3/27/13 7:25:59 AM#27
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Originally posted by Cromica
lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.

They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.

Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?

 

B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.

Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..

 

That is why their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced from any AAA MMO company. They do release a lot of content though and I give them that. I do prefer the subscription model to avoid the RNG pay to get something practice that seems to be prevalent in B2P and F2P games.

If you think it is worth paying $180 a year to get some occasional (I had none with GW2 so far, and I had to contact them because of GW1 like once or twice) problem (maybe) solved in slightly less time...

But maybe you also buy professional software and hardware instead, so you can have customer service 24/7...

I dislike RNG as well. Luckly the RNG black lion chests don't really have anything game breaking and you can get the keys in game or use in game money (around 3g) to buy a key as well.

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  Ezhae

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Posts: 734

3/27/13 7:27:39 AM#28
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Originally posted by Cromica
lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.

They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.

Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?

 

B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.

Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..

 

That is why their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced from any AAA MMO company. They do release a lot of content though and I give them that. I do prefer the subscription model to avoid the RNG pay to get something practice that seems to be prevalent in B2P and F2P games.

I dunno I think i prefer mdoerators actually rmeoving pointless posts than have forums like so many of the subscription based games had where no one ver gets banned because hey, can't ban someone who pays you 15 bucks a month, that would be silly. 

As for RNG in cash shop. Right. Weapon skins. That give you no advantage whatsoever because they are just skins you apply to actual weapon.. Sure you can sell them on TP for gold...that you can spend on other cosmetic skins. Oddly enough I'm not that bothered by such RNG. 

  Muke

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Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 1585

3/27/13 7:42:07 AM#29


Originally posted by stevebombsquad

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Originally posted by gordiflu

Originally posted by StanlyStanko

Originally posted by Cromica lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.
They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.
Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?  
B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.
Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..  
That is why their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced from any AAA MMO company. They do release a lot of content though and I give them that. I do prefer the subscription model to avoid the RNG pay to get something practice that seems to be prevalent in B2P and F2P games.


Funny, I had to contact Customer Service regarding a hacked+banned account (my 1st in >10y of MMOs \o/!) ; they replied within 30 mins and I had to use that service like 5 times more within a few days....all have been dealt with swift and with satisfying results.

It felt like Heaven compared to the Customer Service like SWG-SOE used to have.

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  User Deleted
3/27/13 7:42:36 AM#30
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Originally posted by Cromica
lol they banned me from the forums for saying that this patch still gives me no reason to log in, the mods over there must be descendants of the stasi.

They already got your money. They don't have to care about you.

Becouse B2P is the best model, right? Right?

 

B2P is a good model yes from financial point of view however i am not so sure when it comes to support from the gaming companies.

Clearly Arenanet never add patches or content, Arenanet designers never go into forums and talk with people,..

 

That is why their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced from any AAA MMO company. They do release a lot of content though and I give them that. I do prefer the subscription model to avoid the RNG pay to get something practice that seems to be prevalent in B2P and F2P games.

Hmmm, so, paying mandatory 180$/year is better than if you very occasionally might spend some money in cash shop (speaking of GW2 here, not every game out there) or just buying gems with ingame gold.

How does that makes sense?

true, there are some preety bad cash shops out there, but to generalize to such degree.

I actually prefer B2P/F2P with good cash shop like GW2. It makes devs work much harder so people feel like spending money on fluff because they enjoy the game.

2nd is banning of cheaters/exploiters which almost never happens in P2P games but ANet have no problem with that, they ban on regular basis.

3rd it enables people who really dont have 15/month but enjoy the game to still play it with their friends

4th do i really need to link horror stories about customer service in P2P games?

  botrytis

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3/27/13 8:00:40 AM#31

People keep on forgetting or having memory loss on Rift start up with Trion and WoW with Blizzard. Both companies ignored stuff, like my Rift account was hacked because of a flaw in the game login and was still there 3-4 months after game release (THE COINLOCK HELPED but the flaw was still there). Blizzard on the other had, couldn't care less that people couldn't log in and told me tough luck.

 

People take off the rose coloured glasses when talking about any customer service in games, especially P2P games.

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  Celcius

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3/27/13 8:14:13 AM#32
GW2 has the same balance issues alot of games do, but atleast they don't do dramatic changes to screw over the entire game's balance. (SWTOR/WoW)  I am pretty happy with the state of balance in the game considering. I don't really ever expect an MMO to be balanced. All my previous favorite MMOs --ironically enough -- had completely broken balance. (DAOC,UO,EQ1,WoW,AO,Rift) 
  Maephisto

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3/27/13 9:18:53 AM#33

A couple of points for consideration:

  1. If you were to look at the amount of bullet points for the engineer (individual changes) versus other classes in the patch notes, it is clear the engie is a priority for Anet.  Whether or not the class is where they they envision it, who knows.
  2. Is the engie a much harder class to play well than the thief, of course it is.  Does it mean the thief is overpowered, absolutely not.
To really make my point, I will show a (RECENT) video of an engie.  This video shows the engie being able to do things even the best thief could not dream of doing.  Another point to remember, Teldo (the person playing this engie), competes among the most skilled people in sPvP.
 
 
Once you even begin to approach this level of skill, then I guess you have room to complain about the class.  Other classes that have a high skill cieling are also called broken or underpowered, I am guessing those people don't take a lot of time to learn thier class.
 
To end on a light note, another funny engie video.
 
 
TL:DR  the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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3/27/13 11:45:58 AM#34

I will only say one thing.

I rather have ANet do nerfs and buffs gradually, carefully, than to do them like other companies like Mythic and sometimes also Blizzard, who nerf a class into oblivion to buff it to god mode next patch and nerf it back into dirt the following patch.

The Engineers in my guild are VERY happy with the changes. I heard no complains. I had to come here to read some whining (from the usual suspects, of course).

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  Rzep

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3/27/13 11:50:57 AM#35
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Oh my god!

Someone is unhappy with some balance changes to a videogame!

Unheard of!

Especially changes made to the class they play.

I would say anyone still playing this game must be suffering from Stockholm syndrome, since the game is so unplayable.

 

So you still playing the game?

I know right? Who has ever heard of an unbalanced mmo, it's outrageus is what it is. Scandalous, I mean seeing as that every other mmo is balanced to perfection how dare Anet punish players like this.

  rodingo

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3/27/13 2:05:42 PM#36
Originally posted by Maephisto
 
 
TL:DR  the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.

^So much this it isn't even funny^  I'm sure someone will say it's the build and not the player, yadda yadda.

I would love to add so much more, but I'm starting to feel like I'm hurting egos and walking on egg shells by someone who keeps reporting me. 

Lol oh, well.  Nice video though, that had given me some ideas to use with my engineer.

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  Doogiehowser

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3/27/13 2:12:27 PM#37
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by Maephisto
 

 
TL:DR  the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.

^So much this it isn't even funny^  I'm sure someone will say it's the build and not the player, yadda yadda.

I would love to add so much more, but I'm starting to feel like I'm hurting egos and walking on egg shells by someone who keeps reporting me. 

Lol oh, well.  Nice video though, that had given me some ideas to use with my engineer.

I read your reply before it was mod edit. I am pretty sure you were reported because you were attacking OP on basis of his posting history which is against TOS and it has been made very clear on more than one ocassion.

Also the video posted, majority of his damage comes from incendary powder. So this build is pretty limited in terms of versatility something other classes can do a lot better.

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  Bad.dog

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Joined: 5/20/10
Posts: 947

3/27/13 4:15:27 PM#38
Originally posted by itgrowls

It's patch day and I spent all day trying to discover just what they fixed over there. Nothing apparently, which is pretty much par for the course at this point for engineers. So in lieu of today's patch notes, please enjoy this video showing the short history up to today of how Arenanet has handled balance in their title since launch. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q3em9s5I4c

 

So let's get this straight :

1) You don't like the engineer

2)You don't like the Trading Post

3)You don't like crafting

4) You don't like the games economy

5)You don't like the loot for DE's map completions or worlds bosses

6)You don't like the personal story

7)You don't like ascended gear

8)You don't like wvwvw

9)You don't like dungeons

10)You don't like Anet's management

Perhaps mmo's aren't your calling ?

  SteeJanz

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Joined: 8/22/11
Posts: 346

3/27/13 4:16:25 PM#39
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by Maephisto
 

 
TL:DR  the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.

^So much this it isn't even funny^  I'm sure someone will say it's the build and not the player, yadda yadda.

I would love to add so much more, but I'm starting to feel like I'm hurting egos and walking on egg shells by someone who keeps reporting me. 

Lol oh, well.  Nice video though, that had given me some ideas to use with my engineer.

I read your reply before it was mod edit. I am pretty sure you were reported because you were attacking OP on basis of his posting history which is against TOS and it has been made very clear on more than one ocassion.

Also the video posted, majority of his damage comes from incendary powder. So this build is pretty limited in terms of versatility something other classes can do a lot better.

here are 2 more videos without incendiary Powder.   Two very different builds then the one he linked.  Not so limited.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0pfO5s9pi0c

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XUkNrrJz43Q

  rodingo

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Joined: 1/18/07
Posts: 1690

3/27/13 5:18:36 PM#40
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by Maephisto
 

 
TL:DR  the engie certainly doesnt seem broken when played by a competent person.

^So much this it isn't even funnyI'm sure someone will say it's the build and not the player, yadda yadda.

Also the video posted, majority of his damage comes from incendary powder. So this build is pretty limited in terms of versatility something other classes can do a lot better.

Right on cue

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