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  Ridelynn

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3/26/13 4:09:08 PM#21


Originally posted by easy-r
amd is cool but

 

you'd be better off with an i3

 


When cost is the driving factor, Intel COre i3's ($130-$150US on average depending on stock clock) run about $10-$30 more than an FX6300 or 4300 ($140 and $120US on average), but you also have to factor in motherboard, which AMD motherboards are usually about $25-50 cheaper again than similar Intel motherboards. So your looking at saving around $30-$70 total, for not a huge difference in performance. On a sub-$700 budget, that's huge.

Plus your looking at more total cores on an AMD (4-6, I won't really compare the 8, versus the i3 2+2 hyperthreading on any desktop i3), which doesn't do much for now, but may help increase the longevity. And add in overclocking - Core i3's are locked, AMDs are not, and on a budget system Overclocking can be used to stretch that budget a good deal further, but isn't for everyone (particularly novices).

I don't have anything against an i3, but your paying a steep Intel tax there.

Anandtech real world benchmarks:
http://anandtech.com/bench/Product/700?vs=677
Pretty much back and forth for a FX-4300 vs i3 3220
I'd post the comparison of the FX6300 to the 3240 but they don't have complete marks for the 3240, and the 6300 compared to the 3220 looks as you expect them too: nearly the same for primarily single-threaded applications, and a clear beatdown on stuff that can scale upwards on core count.

  easy-r

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3/26/13 4:15:00 PM#22
the price and benchmark and grammar are flawed
  Quizzical

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3/26/13 4:16:13 PM#23
Originally posted by easy-r

amd is cool but

 

you'd be better off with an i3

Two cores for the price of six, you say?  What could possibly go wrong?

An Ivy Bridge Core i3 is a little faster than an FX-6300 in single-threaded performance.  But only a little.  And six slightly slower cores will completely swamp two slightly faster cores if you can put several cores to good use.  If you scale well to six cores, the FX-6300 might well double the performance of a Core i3-3220.

Today, you likely wouldn't notice much difference in most games.  But games are pretty easy to scale to as many CPU cores as you care to (at least within reason, like 6 or 8, not 100), and the only reasons for a game not to scale to that many cores are:

1)  something else (e.g., the video card) is the bottleneck before you need that much CPU performance,

2)  the game is very old, and was coded before people realized that multi-core was the future,

3)  the game doesn't need much CPU performance and runs very well even on one or two relatively slow cores, or

4)  the programmers are completely incompetent.

But (2) and (3) should run well on just about anything you buy today, (1) means that the CPU isn't the issue anyway, and (4) will probably cause much bigger problems than poor CPU core scaling.

What happens in a few years when game programmers are comfortable assuming that everyone has at least a quad core and they aren't particularly bothered if a dual core processor can't run the game?  Then you'll be looking to replace that Core i3 already, while an FX-6300 will still have years of useful life in it.

  GeezerGamer

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3/26/13 4:22:30 PM#24

Something else to consider as well.

Do some research on the games you will play. Look at their forums. See what players are running and what seems to be best.

For example, if you plan to play GW2 (It's the only example I know of at this time, but it's out there)

There are threads in GW2 forums advocating using Intel over AMD. They say the game is just not optimized well for AMD so this program wil function better on a lesser Intel CPU than on a better AMD CPU.

At least that was the sentiment going around back when it released. I honeslty can't say it's still that way. But it still makes sense to do some research.

I have an Intel chip so I didn't follow this very closely, but I rememebr reading about it.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Quizzical

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3/26/13 4:27:48 PM#25
Just to be clear, when I talk about scaling well to 6 or 8 cores, I don't mean scaling perfectly.  If an FX-8350 gives you triple the CPU performance with all cores active of what it offers if you disable 3 of the 4 modules, then that's scaling pretty well to eight cores, even though it's only 3x performance at 4x cores.
  Quizzical

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3/26/13 4:31:48 PM#26
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Something else to consider as well.

Do some research on the games you will play. Look at their forums. See what players are running and what seems to be best.

For example, if you plan to play GW2 (It's the only example I know of at this time, but it's out there)

There are threads in GW2 forums advocating using Intelover AMD. They say the game is just not optimized well for AMD so this program wil function better on a lesser Intel CPU than on a better AMD CPU.

At least that was the sentiment going around back when it released. I honeslty can't say it's still that way. But it still makes sense to do some research.

While it is true that if you take an Intel CPU and an AMD CPU that perform about as well on average, Guild Wars 2 will probably run better on the Intel CPU, that's only if you're comparing two processors that run about as well on average.  And an FX-6300 does not run about as well on average as a Core i3-3220.

To take a video card comparison, a Radeon HD 7850 will beat a GeForce GTX 660 in some games and lose to it in others.  (Actually, it will lose to the GTX 660 in most games, but they're fairly close.)  But it won't often beat a GeForce GTX 680 even in a game very favorable to AMD, nor will it often lose to a GeForce GTX 650 even in a game very favorable to Nvidia.  Games that favor one architecture over another may shift performance by 20% as compared to what you'd expect on average, but they won't often mean that a part that is normally three times as fast suddenly loses outright.

  Dren_Utogi

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3/26/13 4:38:58 PM#27
I picked up an AMD 4130 FX and veryu very happy with it.  Personally think the intel chips have issues since a year ago the i5 was priced at the fx4130. Not sure why intel raised prices....

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Ridelynn

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3/27/13 2:24:31 AM#28

Not so surprisingly, there isn't a lot of current "benchmark" data regarding GW2. A moderate amount of it when the game first released, but that was before Vishera shipped to compare it against, and I can't really find any benchmark data using a Vishera-cored AMD, and I'd hesitate to interpolate based on Zambezi data because GW2 is rather somewhat of an outlier game anyway in terms of performance.

Even if it's the only game you play, I'd not recommend building around it because the game performance and requirements are almost schizophrenic, especially if you are one of those "MAX MAX" people. But for most people, GW2 isn't going to be the ~only~ game, and a good all-around gaming rig, even a tight budget rig and many older rigs, will still perform well on GW2 regardless, you just have to find the right combination of options.

  zite4321

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OP  3/27/13 2:44:58 PM#29

Thank you all for the information and tips. Got everything ready to order next week for my sons new build.

I do have one final question though. I was wrong about the speed of my ram, it's running at 1728 not 1733. 1866 hasn't been an option since I first got the system to post once I finished building it. I did notice my FX 8350 is running at 4.4Ghz instead of just 4. If I remember correctly back to the old days when I used to build and overclock, if the processor was overclocked it could effect the speed that ram would effectivly ran at. For the life of me, I can not see in my UEFI Bios how to set it at it's standard 4.0Ghz speed. Any suggestions, and is that still an issue with ram and cpu?

  Quizzical

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3/27/13 3:05:09 PM#30
Originally posted by zite4321

Thank you all for the information and tips. Got everything ready to order next week for my sons new build.

I do have one final question though. I was wrong about the speed of my ram, it's running at 1728 not 1733. 1866 hasn't been an option since I first got the system to post once I finished building it. I did notice my FX 8350 is running at 4.4Ghz instead of just 4. If I remember correctly back to the old days when I used to build and overclock, if the processor was overclocked it could effect the speed that ram would effectivly ran at. For the life of me, I can not see in my UEFI Bios how to set it at it's standard 4.0Ghz speed. Any suggestions, and is that still an issue with ram and cpu?

It sounds like your problem is a botched overclock.  You probably adjusted the base clock rather than the CPU multiplier in an effort at overclocking.  I think that the stock base clock (likely BCLK in your BIOS) value for all recent AMD processors is 200 MHz.  If it's set to something like 220, then there's your problem.  Revert it to 200 and you can probably run your memory at the rated value.  If it's not set to something a little over 200, then you'll have to do a little research to find out what the stock value is so that you can set it to that.

If you do want to overclock your processor, then the way to do it is by adjusting the CPU multiplier, not the base clock.  Adjusting the CPU multiplier will change the speed of the CPU only, while adjusting the base clock will change the speed of a number of things--including your memory.

  zite4321

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OP  3/27/13 3:18:05 PM#31
Thank you very much Quizzical, you're a very helpful!!
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