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  Nikopol

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3/26/13 8:52:07 AM#41

The funny thing is that, most Star Wars fans never even gave Galaxies a real shot. Among the many Star Wars fans I know, I'm actually the only one who semi-enjoyed it (there's one who stuck around longer, but now you can't get a single positive remark about the game out of him, he dropped the game like a hot potato as soon as WOW was out). Still, before the NGE, SWG had not nearly this big a backlash from the playerbase. 

Adding to that the fact I actually see quite a few of the non-MMO-player Star Wars fans I know still playing the game, I'm beginning to think that what SWTOR is going through is more of a "MMORPG fan backlash" than a "Star Wars fan backlash". It's just a game that MMO fans didn't want at all; it felt old and tired and loaded with inconsequential stuff. They wanted more freedom, more innovation, more systems...

To the SW fan who's never played an MMO at length, there's no frame of reference and no expectation other than getting to walk around in a Star Wars setting, which the game sort of provides.

 

  Gardavsshade

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3/26/13 9:16:38 AM#42
Originally posted by Onomas
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 There were like 300k tops subs for SWG, more than double that quit SWTOR and hate that game. Has nothing to do with SWG, has to do with the time they spent, the amount of money dropped on this game, and it failing to live up to a true and epic mmorpg they claimed it would be. Along with many other flaws.  Most the SWG fans already knew ahead of time this wouldnt hold up,  so stop blaming the SWG fans.

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First paragraph I agree with 100%. I play SWTOR, but it is IMO a terrible MMO but an enjoyable Single Player RPG, and that is how I play it (and I am a subscriberfor last month or so). I figure I will finish the storyline with a couple of characters and burn out on SWTOR and then uninstall. I don't like 99% of the stuff in the CS so I don't even bother with it, so all the energy EA is putting into that is wasted on me. If I can't earn that stuff as a Mission reward or as drop loot I am not interested in it. (no I don't feel buying it off the GTN is acceptable either).

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Nothing to see here... just another MMO Ghost....

  Panzerbase

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Joined: 3/20/13
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3/26/13 9:21:59 AM#43
When you need a tutorial to figure out the intricacies of the cash shop you know everything went ass-backwards wrong and it's time to run, not walk, away. 
  Shmackpappy

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Joined: 12/29/11
Posts: 77

3/26/13 9:26:46 AM#44
If you like the game then play it and ignore other people's opinions.  Does it really matter what anyone else thinks?
  Cod_Eye

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Joined: 9/04/09
Posts: 1006

3/26/13 10:31:15 AM#45
Originally posted by velmax
I'm not trying to be on the defense side on this game, as i did wish that Bioware had done a  little better with it. But i've seen SO much hate on this game; that i question myself what has made people hate it so much? I've probably have never seen so much hate on a mmo like swtor! I know people troll.... but this is more then trolling, if everyone hates on it. So tell me, why?

Tired with all the hate, then you go and ask why people hate it, good way to keep the hate going OP.

  ktanner3

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3/26/13 12:05:00 PM#46
Originally posted by Nikopol

The funny thing is that, most Star Wars fans never even gave Galaxies a real shot. Among the many Star Wars fans I know, I'm actually the only one who semi-enjoyed it (there's one who stuck around longer, but now you can't get a single positive remark about the game out of him, he dropped the game like a hot potato as soon as WOW was out). Still, before the NGE, SWG had not nearly this big a backlash from the playerbase. 

Adding to that the fact I actually see quite a few of the non-MMO-player Star Wars fans I know still playing the game, I'm beginning to think that what SWTOR is going through is more of a "MMORPG fan backlash" than a "Star Wars fan backlash". It's just a game that MMO fans didn't want at all; it felt old and tired and loaded with inconsequential stuff. They wanted more freedom, more innovation, more systems...

To the SW fan who's never played an MMO at length, there's no frame of reference and no expectation other than getting to walk around in a Star Wars setting, which the game sort of provides.

 

I am also one of the few in my circle of friends that enjoyed SWG and most of them are Star Wars fans. Most of them thought the game was incredibly boring and just had too many broken mechanics to get into. You had to REALLY want to live in the IP or be a fan of playing a crafter or dancer type to look past its many flaws. Or of course if you didn't mind a long tedious grind to be an alpha class and pawn everyone in PVP. TOR on the other hand they enjoy playing. They loved KOTOR as well as other Bioware games so this MMO was tailor made for them. 

Your second paragraph is interesting because I think it all goes back to what our expectations are when playing a game. Some players loved being able to play a dancer and talk to people that came in the cantina and some enjoyed using the game as a backdrop for a chat setting. Many like myself want to get in the game and actually DO something. Sitting in chairs and shooting the bull while pretending to be something else was never my thing nor something that is worth a sub. Can't tell you how many dancers would complain on the boards about players getting their buff and leaving. Well, excuse me but I'm not going to pay a sub just to sit around and chat. That's what chat rooms are for and now we have facebook which costs me nothing. I work a real job and have a life so my gaming time is limited. I'd rather spend it doing something fun.

The last part of your statement is based on the assumption that people who enjoy TOR never played an MMO before which is totally untrue. I enjoy TOR and played the old SWG as well as EQ along with other MMOs.. Some of my friends who enjoyed TOR played other MMOs even further back than I have. So we all were "there and done that" and don't have the same romanticized memory of the past that others on this site do. While there might be a few things I miss, there's a whole lot that I don't. 

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  Theodwulf

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3/26/13 6:50:52 PM#47

  I gave up hating it and moved on BUt I was enraged by the hack job done to the Star Wars franchise, as if the pre-quels and other bad games  didn't do enough. All that time and money and this was the best they could do..SWG was a bad game (pre-CU, CU and definatley the NGE) and it was a far superior Star Wars game( which isn't  saying much).

 

  There won't be another chance for a "good" Star Wars MMO for a couple of years and that fact is very depressing.

  rojoArcueid

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"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

3/26/13 6:57:01 PM#48

SWTOR is not a problem, the problem is EAWARE. I like swtor, but i dont like the company's practices so i wont support them.

We gamers only have one way to speak up and vote, our wallets. Like X game? support it. X game is screwed up by bad practices? dont support it. EA works backwards, The more money they get the less chances we have to see improvements.

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  Doogiehowser

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3/26/13 7:01:08 PM#49
Originally posted by Theodwulf

  I gave up hating it and moved on BUt I was enraged by the hack job done to the Star Wars franchise, as if the pre-quels and other bad games  didn't do enough. All that time and money and this was the best they could do..SWG was a bad game (pre-CU, CU and definatley the NGE) and it was a far superior Star Wars game( which isn't  saying much).

 

  There won't be another chance for a "good" Star Wars MMO for a couple of years and that fact is very depressing.

Uh? so it is happening after 2 years? you know something we don't?

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  Imperator101

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3/26/13 7:05:19 PM#50
Get used to the hate! This is probably the worst popular MMO on the market now. TOR is nothing but a run down crap WoW clone with invisible walls and a slightly smaller game world then Vanilla WoW. This game could have been so much more but not, it is a piece of junk and I will never play it, Im sick of WoW clones. I will wait for Battlefront 3. 

  Hrimnir

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Joined: 5/24/10
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3/26/13 7:27:32 PM#51

Its really quite simple.  A small portion of the hate is definitely SWG butt hurtery.  The rest of that is because the game is literally the Jar Jar Binks of Star Wars MMO's.  And, to add insult to injury, we had to listen to a severe abundance of hubris from the developers telling us that Jar Jar Binks was the 4th pillar of MMO gaming, etc.

The developers lied, just flat assed lied about dozens of things, spun the rest of it, and then delivered an unfinished, buggy as hell piece of garbage. I don't even call it a WOW clone because that would be doing it a favor.  It wasn't even as much of an MMO as wow is.

The game represented/represents EVERYTHING that is wrong with the current state of the MMO industry.

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

  Belnor

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Joined: 11/04/11
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3/26/13 8:37:41 PM#52

Tired of swotor hate...hmm  remind me this :

 

 

 

  bofadeez

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3/26/13 8:43:13 PM#53

I haven't played in over a year, but my reasons for disliking SWTOR are simple. Every MMO aspect of it is a straight clone of WoW, and everything it copies from WoW, WoW does better. Add to that the general unresponsive feeling of the game and after awhile I just started asking myself why I didn't just play WoW instead.

I've heard it's improved dramatically, but at release, it was just a sub-average WoW clone with a decent storyline.

  FromHell

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3/26/13 8:48:00 PM#54
Originally posted by Imperator101
. I will wait for Battlefront 3. 

 

sadly, that probably won't happen either after it has been cancelled twice in near alpha stage

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  tiefighter25

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3/27/13 12:19:48 AM#55

It's odd to complain about hate, and then ask why people hate the game; but to each their own.

I find this game intresting to follow for several reasons, which I will keep to myself at this time.

You also may want to put a defintion on"hate". If I'm in a Baseball sports forum and state that I think resigning A-Rod was a huge mistake, does that make me a "Yankee Hater". If I say the Red Sox should have only given David Ortiz a one year deal, does that make me a "Red Sox" hater?

Some people have diffeerent definitions of fan and hater then others. That said, some people have thicker skins then others.

  Tezcatlapocca

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3/27/13 12:30:36 AM#56
Most of the "hate" is from when games were stopped being made for "fun" and made soley for "profit". Nickel n' Dime'n your player base with microtransactions and DLC is a great way to get consumers to hate you.
  Tyvolus4

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3/27/13 12:33:26 AM#57
Originally posted by velmax
I'm not trying to be on the defense side on this game, as i did wish that Bioware had done a  little better with it. But i've seen SO much hate on this game; that i question myself what has made people hate it so much? I've probably have never seen so much hate on a mmo like swtor! I know people troll.... but this is more then trolling, if everyone hates on it. So tell me, why?

I HATE all things EA.  sorry.

  simplius

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3/27/13 6:21:50 AM#58
Originally posted by Hrimnir

Its really quite simple.  A small portion of the hate is definitely SWG butt hurtery.  The rest of that is because the game is literally the Jar Jar Binks of Star Wars MMO's.  And, to add insult to injury, we had to listen to a severe abundance of hubris from the developers telling us that Jar Jar Binks was the 4th pillar of MMO gaming, etc.

The developers lied, just flat assed lied about dozens of things, spun the rest of it, and then delivered an unfinished, buggy as hell piece of garbage. I don't even call it a WOW clone because that would be doing it a favor.  It wasn't even as much of an MMO as wow is.

The game represented/represents EVERYTHING that is wrong with the current state of the MMO industry.

dude,,show some compassion

first all the hate from the prequels , and now THIS?

jar-jar is a very sad gungan now,,

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