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  Fusion

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3/23/13 9:04:52 AM#101

One day in, i didn't find the UI that bad at all, just takes some getting used as it's not like every other game, maybe it's just people who don't have half a brain that find it that awful.

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  darkhalf357x

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3/23/13 9:10:35 AM#102
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by OG_Zorvan
Originally posted by bestever

I love how some of you say its not a mmo. How's it not a mmo? Just because its not like wow,eq,rift. 

Its real simple and mmo is an abbreviation of massively multiplayer online game and thats what the game is. Its not a mmorpg its a mmotps. I know most people think its need to be some guy running around with a sword killing a dragon or some dumb shit like that but thats not what a mmo is. 

Massive amounts of people playing a game online at the same time is a mmo so get over it. 

Maybe the fact that I never once saw any amount of people even close to "massive" in the game the whole time I played? Yeah, that's probably it. By the way, Battlefield and Call of Duty aren't mmos either.

And considering they've handed out keys like water, the fact they can't even get people to stick around during beta when the game is completely free tells me what's gonna happen when it comes time to cough up dough for it.

So youre basing its "massiveness" on the number of people youre seeing in a beta with a limited number of players, not the full release version of the game? Wonderful logic. I guess any game that doesnt have X number of players anymore (X being whatever you personally feel is massive enough) is no longer an MMO by definition because "i dont see tons of people everywhere".

Funny thing about definitions though. Theyre based on actual facts, not the whims and opinions of random people who dont even know what the terms mean. The game has the ability to hold a large number of players in the same world who can interact with eachother. That is what makes it an MMO. Games like Call of Duty and BF simply cannot do that which is why, unlike Defiance, they are not MMOs.

I would say its an MMOFPS which is different from an MMORPG (which I prefer to play).  I do believe they will have a hard time maintaining population like other MMOFPS... typically these games have been 'jump-in, jump-out' as opposed to 'grow with' games.

But thats going to be up to people's personal preferences.  I played it - thought it looked good.  Agree with the UI constraints.  But for me there was nothing to keep me there long term.   Same thing happened with Planet Side 2.

Wish them luck.

  Gravarg

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3/23/13 10:00:45 AM#103

I was suprised with this game.  I generally stay away from shooters, mainly because I'm horrible at them.  This game though was different.  I'm no sure why, but I'm actually pretty good.  There's always tons to do; I always have like 20 missions on my map.  I also like how the equipment system is simple.  You don't have to collect 20 different items for each slot.  You need like maybe 4 guns, 2 shields, 2 grenades, and you're set.  The gameplay I found especially fun, and it's not as repetative as I thought it would be.  There's a great variety in missions, and the arkfalls are epic.  It's nice to see 50+ people running around a huge (and I mean huge) bug-spire that's spitting out bugs :D

 

Overall I might actually have to play this game.  I went into the beta and alpha, not sure if I would like it, but I do.  I can't really explain why either, I just do.

  epoq

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3/23/13 12:30:01 PM#104
Give me a cover system, some more races, and a bit more customization and you have a solid game.  Either way, I actually enjoyed it enough in the first few hours of play to go ahead and pre-order it.  At the very least it is a change of pace from all of the stale fantasy game clones that keep popping up left and right.  I don't really see LONGEVITY for me in this game, but I do see a good 60-90 days of playing this game for myself, which is well worth the price tag for a game versus your single player games that cost the same and offfer 7-10 hours of playtime.  It's a shame that I have to look at it this way, but I have yet to see a game that I feel myself playing for a year+ since the days of EQ/EQ2.  Hopefully someone will change that at some point, but for now it seems I'll continue "settling".
  SysFail

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3/23/13 12:47:10 PM#105
I know most MMO players are pretty horrid when it comes to FPS games, but theres more FPS players in the world than tab target fanboi's, which means to me this games about as much of a gamble as  any other new title, i for one have bought it.
  Synns77

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3/23/13 1:07:27 PM#106

Games defiantly got some weaknesses as mentioned, th UI is awful for a PC game personally didn't find the character creation that bad it's better than many mmos. I do think this game has got a very good base to build on though, if Trion do it right this game could be epic especially if the show turns out to be as good as it looks and gets linked into the game as much as its been hyped. 

Personally can't wait till April 2, have enjoyed alpha and beta but just want to play now without wipes.

  Robbgobb

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3/23/13 1:55:00 PM#107

Game went off my radar when I saw there is a store and a content pass. I have to check games now to see if the game is going to cost me $100 for the first year to play everything. BF3 was not so bad because of the packs so far away from each other but when I need to spend $60 for the game but told that it is not all there (if they are planning content that needs to be paid for then that is part of the game) then why should I buy it? I will just wait until it is cheap. I remember the expansions for EQ and DAoC and was happy to pay to get them as they were so far apart. Seems like that time is getting shorter and shorter for some. 

 

Wish Defiance luck though with the tv show and game working well together.

  trash656

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3/23/13 3:56:36 PM#108
This is a boring, linear MMO. Firefall has more to offer.
  patx6x

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3/23/13 4:33:41 PM#109

they have to put an option for FpS view because Third view is the worst thing for PC player XD

but overall i like the fact they dont put an easy noob tutorial i like to have search by myself how thing work on this game.

BUT i agree they have still some work to on the game for be really nice 

today the greedy minding of people make game generaly low life

  HighMarshal

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3/23/13 4:37:40 PM#110

Linear? Firefall has about 10 quests total.

I am play9ing on the PC version and for the most part have few problems with theUI. My biggest problem is no way to hotkey changing between loadouts.

I kindof skipped a lot of side quests while following the main quest so I don't know if some of the difficulties I had were from lack of gear and ego points.

 

Over all I think it is good enough for a box purchase and play time until ESO comes out.

  redcapp

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3/23/13 4:42:46 PM#111
This game is absolutely going nowhere.
  kaiser3282

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3/23/13 4:45:16 PM#112
Originally posted by trash656
This is a boring, linear MMO. Firefall has more to offer.

Im guessing you either a) dont know what the word linear actually means or b) havent even played the game. Possibly both.

  Shadanwolf

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3/23/13 5:13:56 PM#113
There is a player vs player..."shadow wars" component to the game. I sure would like to hear more about that feature...strength..and weakensses.
  Baitness

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3/23/13 5:42:28 PM#114

Edit:  decided it is not worth pointing out the hypocrisy to the person.

 

Addressing the games graphics, even in the screenshot you showed me there you can see the horribly blurry textures all over the ground, the vehicle, basically everything but the player character, and even that is not very well done.  Rift had very superior texturework to that, so we know trion can do it.  I am hoping highres textures were taken out of the game for the beta (it has been done before), but I have a feeling this is more consolization.

  dragonherder

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3/23/13 5:46:56 PM#115
Originally posted by metalguy23

Game is terrible just spent about 4 hours playing and I shook my head the whole time, everything from the gun sounds to the bad AI mob sounds no environment sounds at all. Just really bad game, felt like it was made from a small amateur dev which is surprising. I don't know I need more excitement in a third person shooter type of game. Quests are horribly boring, voices, sounds just not well made, graphics are okay though not bad not great. Oh and UI is terrible how do you exit the game I had to alt tab in windows 8 and quit the process lol. I'm sorry I liked Rift and I do wish Trion the best but I don't like it so not spending the money on this one. Oh well back to single player games I guess. Waiting for something game changing and exciting.

Yeah..... good luck with that one really. There haven't been game changing games in about a decade. Graphics and controls have gotten tighter but story etc has gotten far worse and no one takes any risks.

  dragonherder

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3/23/13 5:48:45 PM#116
Originally posted by Baitness
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by trash656
This is a boring, linear MMO. Firefall has more to offer.

Im guessing you either a) dont know what the word linear actually means or b) havent even played the game. Possibly both.

I don't think you have been reading about the game.  It is so linear that in that video the trion dev touts it as a "feature."  Says something alone the lines of "people around you will always be doing the same quest."  As you progress through the zones, you do not go back.  The extent of non-linear content in the game is the arkfalls, which seem like a baby brother of rift's invasions.

 

Either a) you dont know what the word linear actually means or b) havent even been paying attention.

Possibly both.

 

The story line is linear... Hey it's a story line every single story line is linear. new missions pop up in older zones here and there quite often so its not just "move on" you can go back and try your hand at challenges, contracts etc then too.

  dragonherder

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3/23/13 5:50:48 PM#117
Originally posted by patx6x

they have to put an option for FpS view because Third view is the worst thing for PC player XD

but overall i like the fact they dont put an easy noob tutorial i like to have search by myself how thing work on this game.

BUT i agree they have still some work to on the game for be really nice 

today the greedy minding of people make game generaly low life

 

first person view is terrible for this sort of game when set in a massive world. Scopes give you a first person view and all. The problem with the first person views there is 0 connection to the character. People talk about immersion and all but a lot of mmo players want to actually see their characters. Shooter fans don't seem to care as much but yeah..

  dragonherder

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3/23/13 6:12:57 PM#118
Originally posted by Baitness

Edit:  decided it is not worth pointing out the hypocrisy to the person.

 

Addressing the games graphics, even in the screenshot you showed me there you can see the horribly blurry textures all over the ground, the vehicle, basically everything but the player character, and even that is not very well done.  Rift had very superior texturework to that, so we know trion can do it.  I am hoping highres textures were taken out of the game for the beta (it has been done before), but I have a feeling this is more consolization.

 

Ok let's go into what you said honestly.... The character visually while not "the best" is still quite well done. Rift had "problems" too early on. Also in Rift have you ever actually looked at the ground? The characters in Rift aren't much better looking then Defiance if at all and also I can tell you from having played both Defiance is optimized a hell of a lot better for when there are a bunch of people around compared to what rift did. As far as not being worth pointing out my "hypocrisy" i've never stated anything that was actually hypocritical. I don't think graphics in an MMO are an all important thing. I understand why they are the way they are and why they progress a hell of a lot slower than single player games do. People saying the story is bland I don't think have played or listened to much going on and the voice acting while not "perfect" all the time isn't half bad (i've seen far worse dialogue in my MMORPG career) 

I will say this to all the doom and gloom type folks out there with gaming in general... Have fun being cinical pricks when it comes to games. I go into each game with a fresh mind and play it for what it is something to get enjoyment out of. I don't sit there "ho hum what can i find wrong with this game, what game should I try to compare it too, the only reason I ever bring up other games in relation to a game is the general public tend to be like "well what game is it like" Just learn to play games for yourself and not rely on reviews or rather pixelated videos of Alpha/Beta footage.. 

  Lazarus71

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3/23/13 7:09:59 PM#119
Originally posted by dragonherder
Originally posted by Baitness

Edit:  decided it is not worth pointing out the hypocrisy to the person.

 

Addressing the games graphics, even in the screenshot you showed me there you can see the horribly blurry textures all over the ground, the vehicle, basically everything but the player character, and even that is not very well done.  Rift had very superior texturework to that, so we know trion can do it.  I am hoping highres textures were taken out of the game for the beta (it has been done before), but I have a feeling this is more consolization.

 

Ok let's go into what you said honestly.... The character visually while not "the best" is still quite well done. Rift had "problems" too early on. Also in Rift have you ever actually looked at the ground? The characters in Rift aren't much better looking then Defiance if at all and also I can tell you from having played both Defiance is optimized a hell of a lot better for when there are a bunch of people around compared to what rift did. As far as not being worth pointing out my "hypocrisy" i've never stated anything that was actually hypocritical. I don't think graphics in an MMO are an all important thing. I understand why they are the way they are and why they progress a hell of a lot slower than single player games do. People saying the story is bland I don't think have played or listened to much going on and the voice acting while not "perfect" all the time isn't half bad (i've seen far worse dialogue in my MMORPG career) 

I will say this to all the doom and gloom type folks out there with gaming in general... Have funy being cinical pricks when it comes to games. I go into each game with a fresh mind and play it for what it is something to get enjoyment out of. I don't sit there "ho hum what can i find wrong with this game, what game should I try to compare it too, the only reason I ever bring up other games in relation to a game is the general public tend to be like "well what game is it like" Just learn to play games for yourself and not rely on reviews or rather pixelated videos of Alpha/Beta footage.. 

Great way of thinking and how I approach every game. The MMO players and gamers in general are some of the most negative over critical people I have ever seen lol. Life is to short, I play games to have fun and if I'm not having fun I move on to another game.

As to the topic of Defiance I find the game very entertaining and will probably purchase it at launch or soon after. It seems to be a game I can jump in and out of wether I want a few hours or a few minutes of MMOFPS fun. As for the longevity of the game we will see how that goes, seems to be an issue with a lot of games these days.

 

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  McGamer

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3/23/13 7:21:21 PM#120

I forgot to mention earlier, but I disagree with the OP about the in-game music because I think it fits pretty good. Besides, I think it is kind of reaching for a reason to not like a game when someone starts picking on something like background music. 

As far as the longevity of Defiance goes, MMO-shooter concept didn't work well for MAG since it got shutdown. More recently Planetside 2 isn't doing much better considering it hasn't been out very long at all and already having to do server merges. Defiance, imo will have to add more than just 'run & gun' content if it wants to do any better than the previous attempts at MMO-shooter IPs by other companies. 

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