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News & Features Discussion  » [Preview] Defiance: A Hard Look at Trion’s Gamble

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  Yamota

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3/22/13 11:15:15 AM#21
How is the PvE? Is it free-form open world type or quest-hub based?

  GrayGhost79

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3/22/13 11:16:03 AM#22
Originally posted by DeniZg

I'm not happy to say this, but the game has pretty shallow class design system.

More accurately, it only has 1 (one) class available, which you tailor using passive talents. On top of that, you have only 4 skills (besides shooting gun and throwing grenade), where only 1 can be actively used.

So, the way I see it, Defiance is aiming at console shooter fans. But, why would console shooter fan play this over, I don't know, Gears of War, Borderlands, or even COD or Battlefield?

CoD and Battlefield do not have a persistant world. I guess it could be argued that Borderlands and Gears of War do.

Battlefield, CoD, Borderlands, and Gears of War lack the number of simultanious players. 

Defiance is aiming at those looking for a persistant online Massive Multiplayer TPS and none of the games you listed offer anything remotely similar to that. 

 

Also, there are very few MMO's on the consoles. Add that to the fact that Defiance itself offers a fairly unique MMO experience due to its unique settings, lore, mechanics, and genre combined with the fact that it's tying into a TV show. 

 

Next I imagine you are going to ask why would any RPG fan play an MMORPG when they can play an RPG?

  Torvaldr

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3/22/13 11:23:37 AM#23

Bill,  falling damage was removed from Rift in the last month or so.  I guess they felt it detracted from smooth gamelay.  I would be surprised if falling damage is added back into the game.  Their design philosophy seems to be shifting towards one of ultra simplicity as in the player gets to the action they want and isn't hindered by immersive world elements.

I'm not a big fan of this sort of shift in thinking, but there it is.

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  Calibanvov

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3/22/13 11:49:45 AM#24
Originally posted by Derros

I'd say this is a fair analysis.  The PC UI was bad the last time I played it last beta weekend.  It took me a while to figure out how to even quit the game. 

 

Trion, I press ESC, and there should be an option to quit right there!  Please!

 

I kept saying this in Beta.  Its too complex to figure out how to exit the game.  Your only going to frustrate. 

Regardless, Im excited, mainly because ive been wanting a good pve/shooter MMO type game for a while, and firefall just didnt grab me, at all.

 

I do wish there were a few more races to start out with, as well.

 

  orbitxo

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3/22/13 12:06:17 PM#25

Just watched the live covereage- this morning went hoem for lunch, logged in to create a character and get a name.

first impression :

was very dissapointed in character creation- is it THAT LIMITED do to beign a beta a  week from launch?=really?...ok.

similar noses lips and skin tones= this looked rushed to me (sorry iam a graphic artist=details count first for me!!!).one hair style for the alien? wow.-i know this isnt House style barbie. but come on-are all aliens gonna look the same if they dont wear a helmet? or goggles?..i dunno, i just landed on my capsule iam goin to recreate a character again tonght and see if i weas just rushing things-

 

on a good note- the terrain looks pretty cool!

 
  User Deleted
3/22/13 12:07:59 PM#26
The UI will be the single biggest reason the game fails to catch on.  It's completely awful.
  Wizardry

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3/22/13 12:15:34 PM#27

That is a big article,with lots of stuff to comment on,not complaining,just a chore lol.

I will start by sying that just like the article,much to comment on is still sort of queries and guess work.There is however a lot in the article that is important and worth commenting on.

part 1 ..the large open world.This is important ONLY if the world is dsigned with reason and not just a large mass of open land.Example WHY am i out there in the open looking to fight?If i am a smart fighter,i am looking for cover or advantageous locations.There is no way that a bunch of players al lstanding in the wide open on some large land mass is good for game play.There is a reason the FPS aspects of games worked best in that Quake or unreal setting.

part 2 .. yes cars/atvs anything yo ucan add to the game is a bonus and adds to versatility an fun.However it needs to be kept in balance,otherwise you end up with every single player running vehicles.Visuals are important to me and as mentioned,if looks great on low end machines that tells me the detail in the textures is what does it.Example ,there is nothing Blizzard could do to make Wow look good with it's god awful texture use.

I don't know about this plopping down a boss ofr no reason and just telling everyone to kill it,that is neither dynamic nor is it content,it is just and automated script to add a npc to the game world.I also feel the game would be better suited if those boss types are just part fo the game world,they can be PART of a pvp battle,so it is like it inerferes with strategy.The way i see this done in Rift or GW2 ,it becomes nothing more tha na ton of players spamming at the boss,nothing organized or meaningful.

However make him part of a battle to attain some keypoint area on a map and it creates a fun factor.Like side A versus Side B for a uranium deposit ,but the boss makes it tough for either side to stay alive.

Skills/point systems do NOT work and never will.They end up being extremely limited for obvious reasons,they don't want players to break the game,yet give players the impression they could.I rather see meaningful skills attained,not just gain a level and put one more point into your dps skill.We all know how math works,yoo only get what they want you to get and it is countered by making the next content that much tougher

Part 3 ... i will keep this shorter.

2 race,yes it means less effort making models,adding it later is fine,just means another game rushed out the door.As soon as i see games rushed ,on definitive time lines, i worry about the overal lquality of a game.

Ui means nothing to me,i have seen people complain about UI's and i found them to be perfect,it is always to each individual's taste.perfect example is some swear by the WASD key setup,i cannot stand that and will never pla ya game that ONLY has that setup.I prefer the arrow section and/or key bindings.

As to world objectives or missions,something that si always missing is the NPC  Co op.I love when games have you fight alongside to either protect npc's or to simply fight with them.Totally relying on real players is never good,we have all heard the comp,aints about "where is  the EURO server" or "what server has the msot active population".By adding npc elements it allows small groups of players to play with the feel of a large scale battle.

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  orbitxo

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3/22/13 12:30:48 PM#28
Originally posted by Senadina

Trion did add an easily identifiable exit button after the first beta weekend. And I agree that the UI is less than desirable, but not a game killer for me.

I kinda like the no fall damage. While completely unrealistic, it makes my sloppy driving far less frustrating when I don't have to worry about careening off a cliff. Just put the pedal to the metal and go, kinda like bumper cars.

I really like finding quests while exploring in the world, a la TSW. It just feels more organic to me than a quest "hub".

I HATE the lack of character customization. I know I'm gonna cover up with a helmet at some point but, as an MMO player, I want an attachment to my toon. Hard for me to do when my toon looks like ass. And they have SIX alien races in the world of Defiance but we can only play ONE???  Way to milk the DLC Trion. But like Bill said, there is NO reason to create an alt, so by the time they offer more races I will have no need for them.

 

 

ah- nice honest review. wish i read it earlier- good point on the character creation- and alien races...this just feels rushed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!---BWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

oh iam currious abt these dynamic events when finished killing the main boss how is loot shared?
  Dreamo84

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3/22/13 12:36:10 PM#29
Originally posted by orbitxo

Just watched the live covereage- this morning went hoem for lunch, logged in to create a character and get a name.

first impression :

was very dissapointed in character creation- is it THAT LIMITED do to beign a beta a  week from launch?=really?...ok.

similar noses lips and skin tones= this looked rushed to me (sorry iam a graphic artist=details count first for me!!!).one hair style for the alien? wow.-i know this isnt House style barbie. but come on-are all aliens gonna look the same if they dont wear a helmet? or goggles?..i dunno, i just landed on my capsule iam goin to recreate a character again tonght and see if i weas just rushing things-

 

on a good note- the terrain looks pretty cool!

 

You must have missed the other tabs, cause there was definitely more than one hairstyle for aliens lol.

  Dreamo84

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3/22/13 12:39:30 PM#30
Originally posted by Krellen

Played a couple days now in beta on PS3 and will play more over the weekend.  Not sure what to think of game yet.  Shooters usually aren't my thing, but cause of ther MMO aspects and the setting looked cool I wanted to try this.  I have had fun, but I am not sure it will last.  My feeling so far is I would want to play this by not at $60. 

This game looks to me it will be very discounted for box or F2p within a couple months and then just rely on cash shop and DLC.  We will see how weekend goes to see if I will preorder as I want to try this on the PC also.  My guess is I will wait a couple months till it is less expensive.

 

What is the point of these passive aggressive posts? Every new game that comes out someone always says the typical "oh, it looks neat but I'll probably just wait a couple months until its free or discounted."

Why not just say "I'm really cheap, very bitter, and really I just want to see everything fail. But I also want to pretend like I actually like games still."

  Burntvet

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3/22/13 12:46:28 PM#31
I think the question about what happens if the series is good and the game is not is a good one. I see this game as having some limited success on the console versions, but not much on the PC. Do PC gamers expect more (maybe)? Should the PC version be better or different than the console version, or why bother (probably)? I played one of the beta weekends and I have to agree that the game is really nothing special, especially other than on a console, where the controls work a bit better, and maybe where expectations are not as high. It is a straight port over to PC, however. But for certain, this game is no MMO. It is just a big, average shooter, set to run along side a TV show of the same name. Will it be popular? Perhaps. But a great game by itself, it isn't.
  User Deleted
3/22/13 12:48:48 PM#32
Console players may like it, but it wont be successful on PC. Its just not a very good game.
  Didelphus

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3/22/13 12:49:37 PM#33

Not too concerned about the music. Does anyone listen to game music anymore?

Everyone in my gaming circle listens to game music for about the first 20 minutes of a new game then switch to their own source. Mine is Pandora. Streaming an industrial or Tool station is now my soundtrack for SWTOR, GW2, Borderlands 2, everything I play.

Maybe companies could save money by sponsoring or promoting player run stations instead of producing ingame music that isn't listened to.

Villain Radio in the early days of City of Villains was a great project. They played cool tunes and organized in-game events over Internet radio. Trying Defiance this weekend, and I will probably give the music a short trial, then  it will be killing to the dulcet sounds of Maynard the rest of the weekend.

  orbitxo

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3/22/13 12:52:43 PM#34
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by orbitxo

Just watched the live covereage- this morning went hoem for lunch, logged in to create a character and get a name.

first impression :

was very dissapointed in character creation- is it THAT LIMITED do to beign a beta a  week from launch?=really?...ok.

similar noses lips and skin tones= this looked rushed to me (sorry iam a graphic artist=details count first for me!!!).one hair style for the alien? wow.-i know this isnt House style barbie. but come on-are all aliens gonna look the same if they dont wear a helmet? or goggles?..i dunno, i just landed on my capsule iam goin to recreate a character again tonght and see if i weas just rushing things-

 

on a good note- the terrain looks pretty cool!

 

You must have missed the other tabs, cause there was definitely more than one hairstyle for aliens lol.

ah -ty!!! good to know!..was a bit pift abt it...i knew it had to be a rushed job on my behalph!-ill take my time when i log back on to fully get the game character creation experience!-thanks for the feedback!

  Reizla

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3/22/13 12:53:33 PM#35

Just played the beta for 45 minutes. Well, PLAYED..? I watched 30 minutes of movies and actually played for about 15 minutes and I gotta say that Defiance does look very good. But as a game I think it sucks big time. Why? The 15 minutes I played I felt totally railroaded (themepark comes to mind) and Defiance tries to mix & match MMO play with 3rd person shooter. Not gonna work I think and I fear that this game won't be a great hit. Only reason it might have 2M boxed sales is that it's Buy2Play, but I fear it'll go the same way as GW2 - lots of hype at start buy quickly put aside...

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  orbitxo

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3/22/13 12:54:26 PM#36
Originally posted by Didelphus

Not too concerned about the music. Does anyone listen to game music anymore?

Everyone in my gaming circle listens to game music for about the first 20 minutes of a new game then switch to their own source. Mine is Pandora. Streaming an industrial or Tool station is now my soundtrack for SWTOR, GW2, Borderlands 2, everything I play.

Maybe companies could save money by sponsoring or promoting player run stations instead of producing ingame music that isn't listened to.

Villain Radio in the early days of City of Villains was a great project. They played cool tunes and organized in-game events over Internet radio. Trying Defiance this weekend, and I will probably give the music a short trial, then  it will be killing to the dulcet sounds of Maynard the rest of the weekend.

 

in TSW i only listen to their music and atmosphere sounds=its pretty amazing, on Borderlands 2 also..and lets not forget! Real-Xs eveonline!!!!

all great soundtracks!

  Purutzil

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3/22/13 1:00:25 PM#37
Originally posted by Reizla

Just played the beta for 45 minutes. Well, PLAYED..? I watched 30 minutes of movies and actually played for about 15 minutes and I gotta say that Defiance does look very good. But as a game I think it sucks big time. Why? The 15 minutes I played I felt totally railroaded (themepark comes to mind) and Defiance tries to mix & match MMO play with 3rd person shooter. Not gonna work I think and I fear that this game won't be a great hit. Only reason it might have 2M boxed sales is that it's Buy2Play, but I fear it'll go the same way as GW2 - lots of hype at start buy quickly put aside...

Well mentioning FPS + MMO mix (assuming your meaning more "RPG" here) Borderlands did extremely well for itself which i feel defiance is taking after. At the same time a FPS MMo really hasn't gone to well over as it has difficulty in exceding to the player base. We all claim we want something new but it ends up we truthfully don't. "To many Fantasy games!" yet we still flock to them. 

 

I honestly think it has potential... given they fix issues like the glaring UI that is quite iffy to see on the PC. At least with PC it will be a lot easier to patch in and maybe give a PC interface at some point (though I'm sure its possible with consoles as well now) which give it potential to work those kinks out later.

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3/22/13 1:28:24 PM#38

I put in maybe 7-8 hours in the last beta. I rarely say 'bad things' about games but I really disliked this one. Between the interface, the vehicles and the generally (to me) boring quests it was tedious. Once I read that the game will affect the show only in reference (people talking about the 'incident' over there....or maybe character wandering in) I lost all interest.

Using a sniper scope was fun but not enough, by a long shot...(no pun intended)...to ever get me to want to play.

  Ozmodan

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3/22/13 1:45:56 PM#39
The game is not much different than other shooters.  I wish them luck, but it did not interest me enough to buy it.
  metalguy23

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Joined: 4/27/10
Posts: 95

me me me

3/22/13 2:00:03 PM#40

Game is terrible just spent about 4 hours playing and I shook my head the whole time, everything from the gun sounds to the bad AI mob sounds no environment sounds at all. Just really bad game, felt like it was made from a small amateur dev which is surprising. I don't know I need more excitement in a third person shooter type of game. Quests are horribly boring, voices, sounds just not well made, graphics are okay though not bad not great. Oh and UI is terrible how do you exit the game I had to alt tab in windows 8 and quit the process lol. I'm sorry I liked Rift and I do wish Trion the best but I don't like it so not spending the money on this one. Oh well back to single player games I guess. Waiting for something game changing and exciting.

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