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Defiance 

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  bestever

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3/18/13 7:23:11 PM#61
Originally posted by DJMantiss
Originally posted by bestever
Originally posted by DMKano

I've been playing alpha for months have put in over 200 hours played and I am still liking it a lot.

The NDA is coming down within several days from what I heard in alpha, so chill out.

 

I'm with you man the game is great and A nice change for once. I'm in alpha too just figured I would hold off till launch now.Sick of the wipes lol.

That last sentence makes me wonder if you're in the alpha? no need to lie to make friends bud. (^_^)

lol I logged in yesterday and it was wiped so yeah I'm making shit up but you can try to act cool bud

  Volgore

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3/18/13 7:34:23 PM#62
Originally posted by tkreep

Its an ALPHA build, yes it can be "THAT" bad. An alpha build is like the first stage of a games developement, then comes beta and then gold which is release.  I took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college and I have seen a lot of alpha build for different games.  Its like a painting thats not even half way finished yet people judge it anyway.

If you took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college, enlighten me why they let people test an "Alpha build in the first stage of development thats not even half way finished" 2 weeks prior release?

If you think what people play in this Alpha is actually an Alpha client and not a 90% release client, you may also still believe in the elusive "magic patch" 1 day before release.

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

3/18/13 7:35:33 PM#63

Although it is sad the industry protects developers,it allows them to lie to us, yet we are suppose to adhere to their NDA and rules,two wrongs never make a right.

If the NDA does not permit you to speak about game details,then i guess we have to uphold our end of the bargain.

The problem with the poster saying "let us find out for ourselves" is by that time it is too late,you have already given the developer money.

So what is really worse of the two evils,spreading information  that is against the NDA or trying to mislead consumers into buying their product?Unfortunately the law says breaking the NDA is more imoportant,so in essence the consumer has no law to back them up,aside from asking for a refund.

I still beleive in the consumer doing what is right,don't stoop to the low standards developers live by,uphold the law until the time is right.Then when the time is right,let consumers know of anything that is your opinion of course and anything that is fact.

In all reality develoeprs and sites that are paid to advertise already do plenty  to promote a game while almost NEVER telling the bad side of a game.It is obviously an unfair playing field that says yay to the developer and sorry about your luck to the consumer.

The developer ONLY listens when people keep their money...example FFXIV.people need to quit the RUSH to get into every new game.It is becuase this industry is so full of holes,that EVERY consumer should be demanding a free trial before purchasing.

If a developer is AFRAID to let you see what you are buying,then they are not worth supporting.Everywhere else in life,we get to see what we are buying,game developers SHOULD not be treated any different.

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  bestever

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3/18/13 7:39:52 PM#64
Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by tkreep

Its an ALPHA build, yes it can be "THAT" bad. An alpha build is like the first stage of a games developement, then comes beta and then gold which is release.  I took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college and I have seen a lot of alpha build for different games.  Its like a painting thats not even half way finished yet people judge it anyway.

If you took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college, enlighten me why they let people test an "Alpha build in the first stage of development thats not even half way finished" 2 weeks prior release?

If you think what people play in this Alpha is actually an Alpha client and not a 90% release client, you may also still believe in the elusive "magic patch" 1 day before release.

Because the alpha and the beta do acutally have big difference right now.

  Nadia

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3/18/13 7:46:19 PM#65
Originally posted by evemaster00
Originally posted by freejackmack

U know it is in beta right?

It releases in 2 weeks.

i agree thats troubling - will know in 2 weeks ;)

  strangiato2112

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3/18/13 7:56:55 PM#66
Originally posted by DJMantiss
 Trion is known for constant updates. 

Trion *was* known for this.  3 months after the layoffs and so far things have changed

  DMKano

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Joined: 6/17/11
Posts: 5152

3/18/13 8:09:47 PM#67

One thing to note is that Defiance was developed by Trion San Diego, Rift was developed by Trion Red Wood city, two completely separate dev studios.

The layoffs occurred in Redwood city and at the same time trion San Diego was hiring like crazy (had over 50 open positions from what I've heard)

So just because its all Trion it doesn't mean the same thing, for all practical purposes it is 2 different Dev studios.

Defiance is a VERY different game than rift, players expecting rift with guns, nope its an action shooter.

Also keep in mind its a b2p game so no sub fees.

I've done all content in alpha (personal story, group instance missions, shadow war, pvp, challenges, unlocked outfits via collectable itmes... You name it)and to me my preorder is so worth the price, the game is worth $60 easy to me, but everyone is different.

Like with everything some will like it. Some will hate it, and everything in between.

What's also nice is that my nephews will be playing it on Xbox, my neighbor on his ps4, I'll be getting all 3 most likely lol. Still its nice to have options ad far as consoles or PC. Too bad MS and Sony don't allow cross play as Trion devs said they can do all 3 on the same servers... Oh well.

But I'll be having a blast come launch, and will watch the show. I am looking forward to the updates post launch from what devs in alpha said, they will have a lot of em and fast, because of the whole tv-tie in.

Also one final note, when was MMO launched with a hard date with zero slippage? Pretty sure this is the first and most likely only time this will be done. 

Exciting times we live in!

  azzamasin

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We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

3/18/13 8:29:46 PM#68
Originally posted by DMKano

I've been playing alpha for months have put in over 200 hours played and I am still liking it a lot.

The NDA is coming down within several days from what I heard in alpha, so chill out.

 

And when it does....whoooo boy, the flood gates will open.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Ginaz

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Posts: 1706

3/18/13 8:58:58 PM#69

I'm not really one to dump all over an MMO that is still in beta but I do have a bad feeling about this one.  Its great that they are trying something different with the fps type combat and the tie in to the TV show, as well as Trion seems to be a pretty competent developer.  However, to quote someone else:

"Game is widely unknown.
Game is based on an unknown intellectual property.
Game is tied to an unknown, unreleased TV show.
Game is still in closed beta, so no one can try it.
Game is still under NDA, so no one can talk about it.
Game is 50$/€ upfront.

This is not my job, but I'd really really like to have a word with whoever is in charge of marketing and business here. I mean, if I were Trion CEO and wanted to tank a game just for giggles, the above steps are exactly the ones I'd follow."
 
You also have to look at the pretty disappointing pre-sale results so far on Steam:
 
With 2 weeks to go, they have only gotten to 30% of the first pre-sale bonus.  I'd like for this to succeed but its not looking too good at this point.  I'm glad I got a beta key from here so I try it out myself and hopefully be pleasently surprised but I'm not holding my breath nor will I be placing any money down on this before it releases.  Expect the worst but hope for the best.

Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

  niceguy3978

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Posts: 1992

3/18/13 9:02:41 PM#70
Originally posted by evemaster00

If you say anything negative about Defiance, you will receive a temporary ban and your post will be deleted. I've tried several times to warn people about this game but no matter how you put it, you are not allowed to say anything negative about Defiance. They don't just lock the threads, they delete them to hide all trace. If you post something positive, NDA breaking or not, they will not remove your post.

If you're very new to mmos or primarily a shooter player, you "might" find it ok. But if you're into mmos and sick of the current garbage, you'll most likely find yourself bored of Defiance in about 3 days.

The NDA still has not been lifted, they are keeping it up for as long as possible because they don't want people speaking out about the game, why else keep the NDA up for so long? If the game was good, they'd let people speak.

The alpha NDA will never be lifted, they never want alpha testers to speak their mind about the game. Have a moment to think about why that is.

The only way i'd recommend this game to anyone is if you truly don't mind wasting your money.

Huh, go figure.  This is still here and hasn't been deleted.  Did you get a temp ban for it too?  Or did they just drop the ball?  Maybe you should try to word things differently?  Games that have put much more toward advertising by bigger companies get bashed all the time around here.

  niceguy3978

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3/18/13 9:09:03 PM#71
Originally posted by evemaster00

For the 2 people who seem to have misunderstood my post. I am not claiming that Trion is deleting negative posts, it's quite the contrary.

I'm talking about mmorpg.com deleting negative posts about Defiance on mmorpg.com forums. I've made several posts and all were deleted and no they were not NDA breaking.

Not only has a site admin responded to you in a forum bashing both defiance and mmorpg, but they let you get away with a violation of the terms of the site.  And yet it is still here.  It must be one of those exceptions that proves the rule?

 

  DMKano

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Joined: 6/17/11
Posts: 5152

3/18/13 9:27:56 PM#72

Game is widely unknown.

I would disagree here I see ads everywhere, huge ads at gamestop. Hell there was a booth and playable game at SXSW last week.


Game is based on an unknown intellectual property.

Yeah its a new show, new game, new IP.


Game is tied to an unknown, unreleased TV show.

Syfy and trion collaborated on this since 2008, this has never been done before. The TV writers and game writers actually worked together to create something new that will work for both mediums. This is new territory, it is unknown.


Game is still in closed beta, so no one can try it.

You can get a beta key here and try it in upcoming betas.


Game is still under NDA, so no one can talk about it.

We are talking about it :), and NDA drops very soon, but this NDA to make sense as it keeps spoilers for the show away from the public. Syfy doesnt want info about thw show getting out.


Game is 50$/€ upfront.

Yep, its buy to play.

  Draemos

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3/18/13 9:32:27 PM#73
I'd be willing to bet anything you are consistently breaking NDA, because I've said both good and bad things about it and nobody cares as long as you're discrete
  ElRenmazuo

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3/18/13 10:50:41 PM#74
Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by tkreep

Its an ALPHA build, yes it can be "THAT" bad. An alpha build is like the first stage of a games developement, then comes beta and then gold which is release.  I took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college and I have seen a lot of alpha build for different games.  Its like a painting thats not even half way finished yet people judge it anyway.

If you took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college, enlighten me why they let people test an "Alpha build in the first stage of development thats not even half way finished" 2 weeks prior release?

If you think what people play in this Alpha is actually an Alpha client and not a 90% release client, you may also still believe in the elusive "magic patch" 1 day before release.

Ask trion every developer does their testing different, i was just stating what a alpha build is and not to judge the full game when it is released by it. Im not saying there will be a magic patch because there prolly wont be but for a alpha build it looks pretty good compared to most mmos that let you play in a beta build.  And the players that got the chance to play in the alpha build are all just in the starter areas of the game because every player video i see on youtube they are all in the starter areas.  When the game is released you wont get a patch but the full game which is prolly going to look a lot better than the alpha build they are letting players play.  What im pretty much saying is that they prolly already have the final build of the game ready to deploy but only showing the players a alpha build which will not be patched or updated or anything like that but only used as a way for player feed back on the game to maybe make some touch ups on the final build before they release it. The alpha build is prolly the only reason they gave us a short beta weekend to play because its not the full game.  Also on top of that big game companys like microsoft and sony has a policy of making sure the game releases on their consoles are up to their level of standards when it comes to quality especially for console releases. 

  Volgore

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3/18/13 11:32:16 PM#75
Originally posted by tkreep
Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by tkreep

Its an ALPHA build, yes it can be "THAT" bad. An alpha build is like the first stage of a games developement, then comes beta and then gold which is release.  I took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college and I have seen a lot of alpha build for different games.  Its like a painting thats not even half way finished yet people judge it anyway.

If you took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college, enlighten me why they let people test an "Alpha build in the first stage of development thats not even half way finished" 2 weeks prior release?

If you think what people play in this Alpha is actually an Alpha client and not a 90% release client, you may also still believe in the elusive "magic patch" 1 day before release.

Ask trion every developer does their testing different, i was just stating what a alpha build is and not to judge the full game when it is released by it. Im not saying there will be a magic patch because there prolly wont be but for a alpha build it looks pretty good compared to most mmos that let you play in a beta build.  And the players that got the chance to play in the alpha build are all just in the starter areas of the game because every player video i see on youtube they are all in the starter areas.  When the game is released you wont get a patch but the full game which is prolly going to look a lot better than the alpha build they are letting players play.  What im pretty much saying is that they prolly already have the final build of the game ready to deploy but only showing the players a alpha build which will not be patched or updated or anything like that but only used as a way for player feed back on the game to maybe make some touch ups on the final build before they release it. The alpha build is prolly the only reason they gave us a short beta weekend to play because its not the full game.  Also on top of that big game companys like microsoft and sony has a policy of making sure the game releases on their consoles are up to their level of standards when it comes to quality especially for console releases. 

Although i don't necessarily agree in this context, i do get your point.

Also, thank you for taking your time to write down a reasonable reply.

  evemaster00

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OP  3/19/13 4:31:54 AM#76
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by evemaster00

For the 2 people who seem to have misunderstood my post. I am not claiming that Trion is deleting negative posts, it's quite the contrary.

I'm talking about mmorpg.com deleting negative posts about Defiance on mmorpg.com forums. I've made several posts and all were deleted and no they were not NDA breaking.

Not only has a site admin responded to you in a forum bashing both defiance and mmorpg, but they let you get away with a violation of the terms of the site.  And yet it is still here.  It must be one of those exceptions that proves the rule?

 

They only let the person run after i called them out on it. The last seven attempts to make such a post were all deleted. Called them out and they let it ride.

  evemaster00

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OP  3/19/13 4:33:21 AM#77
Originally posted by tkreep
Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by tkreep

Its an ALPHA build, yes it can be "THAT" bad. An alpha build is like the first stage of a games developement, then comes beta and then gold which is release.  I took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college and I have seen a lot of alpha build for different games.  Its like a painting thats not even half way finished yet people judge it anyway.

If you took classes in gaming and simulations programming in college, enlighten me why they let people test an "Alpha build in the first stage of development thats not even half way finished" 2 weeks prior release?

If you think what people play in this Alpha is actually an Alpha client and not a 90% release client, you may also still believe in the elusive "magic patch" 1 day before release.

Ask trion every developer does their testing different, i was just stating what a alpha build is and not to judge the full game when it is released by it. Im not saying there will be a magic patch because there prolly wont be but for a alpha build it looks pretty good compared to most mmos that let you play in a beta build.  And the players that got the chance to play in the alpha build are all just in the starter areas of the game because every player video i see on youtube they are all in the starter areas.  When the game is released you wont get a patch but the full game which is prolly going to look a lot better than the alpha build they are letting players play.  What im pretty much saying is that they prolly already have the final build of the game ready to deploy but only showing the players a alpha build which will not be patched or updated or anything like that but only used as a way for player feed back on the game to maybe make some touch ups on the final build before they release it. The alpha build is prolly the only reason they gave us a short beta weekend to play because its not the full game.  Also on top of that big game companys like microsoft and sony has a policy of making sure the game releases on their consoles are up to their level of standards when it comes to quality especially for console releases. 

Wrong, it has been confirmed by Trion that the alpha build is the full game that we will get on release. It will take players about 20 hours to complete the story and be done with the progression side of things.  If you like progression and item hunting, you're going to feel very let down by Defiance. I've played mods on Quake 2 with deeper rpg elements and character customisation.

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3/19/13 5:02:19 AM#78
Looking back at the forum history of this title I am going to have to agree with the OP. It seems MMORPG.com has really gone out of their way to either delete negative threads or lock them with no further comment.

I guess the sticky post at the top about the NDA was pretty much meant to stifle all discussion because I saw threads locked that did not appear to violate the NDA in any way, all locked with no comment.

Seriously disappointing to me as a long time poster, my apologies to the OP for doubting. Will be taking this up further with MikeB.

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  Fuggly

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3/19/13 5:10:41 AM#79
Wanna hear something funny OP? mmorpg.com does the same thing, say anything negative about them and you will get a temp ban and your post will be deleted. 

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3/19/13 5:16:18 AM#80

Every single new game, same thread.

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