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  Hrimnir

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Joined: 5/24/10
Posts: 1067

3/12/13 12:01:04 AM#21
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by mcool
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by mcool

 

Cheer up guys, the gaming industry isn't that bad. We have seen major improvements over the years. You cant tell me the industry has gone backwards in terms of development, 

guild wars 2, WOW and TERA are much than swg,everquest and ultima online. take off your nostalgia tinted glasses and be happy, we are moving in the right direction but it will take time ;)

All i am saying is what are you smoking and where can i get some, cus that must be some seriously good shit if you honestly believe what i highlighted in your post.

really, i gaurantee you that if you get players who have never played a mmorpg before, they will prefer WOW over everquest, guild wars 2 over swg etc.. games can reproduce the same feeling you got when you first played them, thats why it so difficult make another WoW. if those games are so good then go back and play them, 

I love that argument, its such an absurd argument, with no basis in logic.

Games are like anything else, they have a limited amount of content.  Telling us to go back and play them if they're so good is like telling someone to read a book they've read a 16th time when they've already read it 15 times.  IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY.  We'd much rather read a new book with new characters that is in a similar style.

Instead whats happening is we've had people who in the past read awesome books like The Song of Ice and Fire, or Farseer Trilogy, or Riftwar Saga.  Now we're being told that we have to read Harry Potter and Twilight and if we don't like it its because we have "rose colored glasses", not because its actually dog shit on a cracker (which is precisely what it is).

Except that a game like EQ which he referred to has come out with an incredible amount of content and systems since most people last played it. That's a pretty absurd argument with no basis in logic you are using there.

 

Going back would be more like reading the third book in your favorite trilogy, not the same book over and over again. Besides that, it sounds like you like to hop games a lot; you eat up content like a book and move on to the next book.

Wrong.

First and foremost i am the opposite of a game hopper, im typically one of the last people to abandon ship.  I leave games when they start becoming uninspired.  I played EQ from 2000-2005 and ive been looking for another "home" ever since. Just like books can start getting crap, all media/entertainment has that problem.  I stopped reading Raymond Feists  Riftwar Cycle books after number 10 or 11, when it just started getting ridiculous.  Same thing with the CSI series, 11 seasons of the original, 8 seasons of miami, etc etc etc.  People just dont know when to let something DIE.

Telling me to go watch the new seasons of CSI if i liked the original say 7 so much is a STUPID Argument, and frankly just a generally stupid statement.  Its the same with a book series, or a game with expansions. 

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5540

3/12/13 12:03:36 AM#22
Originally posted by Hrimnir

I'm not disagreeing with you on that.  But the point you seem to be missing is that NO GAME has come out that is even REMOTELY similar to the way Everquest was during the height of its popularity.

Yes, WOW clones are bad.  We all know that.  WOW only remains popular BECAUSE it is popular.  WOW was 75% of the current MMORPG players "pie" first game.  So many of them have the issue that they cant or wont quit the game because they feel like they've invested so much into it.  Many of us older MMO gamers had the same problem with our first games, so we understand, but it doesnt make it right.

Unfortunately the direction the genre has been going is NOT the right direction.  Games like GW2, Tera, and WOW are not better games than EQ, SWG, DAOC, or UO.

Tera was and is considered a failure, even by the developers as they wouldnt have felt the need to relaunch the game with a new title if it wasnt.  GW2 has had HORRIBLE retaining figures.  Yeah, they sold 3 million boxes, which is admirable, but nowhere near that many people play the game regularly anymore.  Hell, Age of Conan sold over a million boxes which at the time was staggeringly higher than anything else that was released post WOW, and within 2 months had less than 30% of that playing the game, and within 6 months was down to around 10%-15% of that.

WOW will always be a fluke, there will never be another MMO that captures that kind of audience, and its taken almost 10 years for the money lenders/investors to realize that.  They treated this industry the same way they treated the music industry and tried to produce formulaic freeze dried "POP" games, thinking that it would be popular because it followed a certain format. What they didnt realize is that the format of WOW was a fluke, it was a fad, a self feeding popularity machine.  It took WOW years to build up to 9 million subs.

Actually, it took years for them to build to 12 million and then a few more years to drop to 9 million. And... it still has 9 million subs, 8 years later, and will likely hold onto multiple millions for another few years at least. Yeah... what a "fad" that was. And still is. And might still be for a long time from now.

 

Also, where is your logic or evidence for this?

WOW only remains popular BECAUSE it is popular. WOW was 75% of the current MMORPG players "pie" first game. 

 

Do you just make stuff up that sounds like it should be right and expect people to accept it? 75% eh? Another statistic pulled out of the old ass?

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Wighty

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Joined: 1/10/08
Posts: 547

3/12/13 12:05:08 AM#23

What we are seeing is the start of the modern gaming revolution... Bottom line is that players are going to have to adapt to this and take a good hard look at what a game offers besides pretty graphics and voide overs and cinematics.

 

What I mean by the gaming revolution is many of these old school game developers are reinventing themselves in moden games

 

Take a moment to look at some of the single player games... Look at what Jordan Weisman is doing for Shadowrun... Brian Fargo for Wasteland 2, and finally Chris Roberts with Star Citizen... These are people who were and are inovators and some ofg the forefathers of their individual genre's.

 

Developers like these are no longer tied down to big publishers (factories) that crank out games for the sake of earnings reports.

 

Marc Jacobs is one of these inovators as well, take away the big publisher and he will prdocue a reinvention of his original vision (DAoC)...

 

The issue is look at any of the above mentioned games.. they are not going to be the AAA quality graphics and high production value that are being made by the NCSOFT, EA, Blizzard, Trion's of the world... What they will offer is much more rich and rewarding game play ...

 

The sooner you the player changes your overly unrealistic expectation for elements of the game that are shallow and meaningless and embrace immersion and gameplay you will see these are going to be games that will provide a rich and immersive experience.

 

You can let the independants win or you can let the mega factories win...

What are your other Hobbies?

Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...

  Plastic-Metal

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Joined: 2/20/13
Posts: 423

3/12/13 12:08:15 AM#24
Anyone else find it ironic that a post that is trying to remind everyone to be positive is slowly turning into a negative thread?

My name is Plastic-Metal and my name is an oxymoron.

  mcool

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Joined: 8/18/07
Posts: 122

 
OP  3/12/13 12:12:18 AM#25
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by mcool
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by mcool
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by mcool

 

Cheer up guys, the gaming industry isn't that bad. We have seen major improvements over the years. You cant tell me the industry has gone backwards in terms of development, 

guild wars 2, WOW and TERA are much than swg,everquest and ultima online. take off your nostalgia tinted glasses and be happy, we are moving in the right direction but it will take time ;)

 

 

 

All i am saying is what are you smoking and where can i get some, cus that must be some seriously good shit if you honestly believe what i highlighted in your post.

really, i gaurantee you that if you get players who have never played a mmorpg before, they will prefer WOW over everquest, guild wars 2 over swg etc.. games can reproduce the same feeling you got when you first played them, thats why it so difficult make another WoW. if those games are so good then go back and play them, 

I love that argument, its such an absurd argument, with no basis in logic.

Games are like anything else, they have a limited amount of content.  Telling us to go back and play them if they're so good is like telling someone to read a book they've read a 16th time when they've already read it 15 times.  IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY.  We'd much rather read a new book with new characters that is in a similar style.

Instead whats happening is we've had people who in the past read awesome books like The Song of Ice and Fire, or Farseer Trilogy, or Riftwar Saga.  Now we're being told that we have to read Harry Potter and Twilight and if we don't like it its because we have "rose colored glasses", not because its actually dog shit on a cracker (which is precisely what it is).

mmo games arent like a book, where the content remains the same over the years. Games update themselves, adding new content with each patch/expansion. the fact is people are fed up with the formula behind these games(check call of duty) , they are boring and repititive. if these games were as great as people say, then more expansion packs will keep people coming back like fifa or WOW. 

the fact is the methodology behind those games are flawed, but with each new game., we are reaching perfection.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that.  But the point you seem to be missing is that NO GAME has come out that is even REMOTELY similar to the way Everquest was during the height of its popularity.

Yes, WOW clones are bad.  We all know that.  WOW only remains popular BECAUSE it is popular.  WOW was 75% of the current MMORPG players "pie" first game.  So many of them have the issue that they cant or wont quit the game because they feel like they've invested so much into it.  Many of us older MMO gamers had the same problem with our first games, so we understand, but it doesnt make it right.

Unfortunately the direction the genre has been going is NOT the right direction.  Games like GW2, Tera, and WOW are not better games than EQ, SWG, DAOC, or UO.

Tera was and is considered a failure, even by the developers as they wouldnt have felt the need to relaunch the game with a new title if it wasnt.  GW2 has had HORRIBLE retaining figures.  Yeah, they sold 3 million boxes, which is admirable, but nowhere near that many people play the game regularly anymore.  Hell, Age of Conan sold over a million boxes which at the time was staggeringly higher than anything else that was released post WOW, and within 2 months had less than 30% of that playing the game, and within 6 months was down to around 10%-15% of that.

WOW will always be a fluke, there will never be another MMO that captures that kind of audience, and its taken almost 10 years for the money lenders/investors to realize that.  They treated this industry the same way they treated the music industry and tried to produce formulaic freeze dried "POP" games, thinking that it would be popular because it followed a certain format. What they didnt realize is that the format of WOW was a fluke, it was a fad, a self feeding popularity machine.  It took WOW years to build up to 9 million subs.

Wow,tera and gw2 are better games than UO,everquest and SWG, they feature less static content and the grind isnt as bad, those games are pratically unplayable now. I stopped playing those games because the grind was immense. WoW wasnt a fluke, WoW was just user friendly, and thats why it attracted so many players. likeyou said WoW retained it playerbase because so many people invested to much time into it

''NO GAME has come out that is even REMOTELY similar to the way Everquest was during the height of its popularity'' thats becuse everquest was one of the first, every game since  has been built upon the foundation everquest left.the mmo industry needs to churn something breathtakingly new ,but it it doing that one baby step at a time, 

'' Games like GW2, Tera, and WOW are not better games than EQ, SWG, DAOC, or UO'' you never explained why? .. i believe they are. Most new players in the mmo scene will prefer gw2 ,wow over uo or eq in terms of gameplay. 

 

  CluckingChicken

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Joined: 2/07/13
Posts: 54

3/12/13 12:34:19 AM#26
When this game was first announced, the community was stellar. But then the general crowd found its way here. Most MMO forums never get this bad unless its close to release. I really hope this negativity clears up soon. I would hate to be in MJs shoes, having to filter through all the shit to find the few good posts around here. Sadly I have succumbed to the hatred as well, and I simply have to avoid these forums most of the time now.
  Plastic-Metal

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Joined: 2/20/13
Posts: 423

3/12/13 12:39:36 AM#27
Originally posted by CluckingChicken
When this game was first announced, the community was stellar. But then the general crowd found its way here. Most MMO forums never get this bad unless its close to release. I really hope this negativity clears up soon. I would hate to be in MJs shoes, having to filter through all the shit to find the few good posts around here. Sadly I have succumbed to the hatred as well, and I simply have to avoid these forums most of the time now.

I agree completely, Clucking.  I know I haven't seen eye to eye on you simply because of your vocal distaste with DAoC veterans, but your reasoning for being irritated is valid - despite that fact that your posts were.. hmm.. less than tactful.

Hopefully the community returns to something satisifying and enjoyable.  Right now, it's either COMPLETELY in one direction or COMPLETELY divided with bitterness.  It's almost worse than all the 'l2p' and general douchebagness of the WoW forums.

My name is Plastic-Metal and my name is an oxymoron.

  Wolvan

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3/12/13 12:56:46 AM#28

Well, once the kickstart launches and is successful, we will have forums and the start of a community of people who actually bought into the game and kickstart, not a bunch of board trolls with nothing else to do with their time.

 

Then we can get meaningful discussions about the game and its future going.

  User Deleted
3/12/13 12:57:45 AM#29
Originally posted by Plastic-Metal
Anyone else find it ironic that a post that is trying to remind everyone to be positive is slowly turning into a negative thread?

mcool is quite a passive-aggressive poster.

  mcool

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Joined: 8/18/07
Posts: 122

 
OP  3/12/13 12:58:49 AM#30
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Plastic-Metal
Anyone else find it ironic that a post that is trying to remind everyone to be positive is slowly turning into a negative thread?

mcool is quite a passive-aggressive poster.

hahahahaha. 

  BowbowDAoC

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3/12/13 8:26:34 AM#31

WoW is popular because of instant gratification and the bling bling visuals. But there s no depth in the game. And thats what the majority of players want nowadays, But not only that, but since most of the companies offer games with instant gratification (mmowise), majority of people tend to stick to that, when a game that requires some actual "hard work", thinking, strategies etc, they cant handle it.  So they stick to the genre.

Leaving the minority that wants more out of a game a bit forgotten.

But as far as having positive stuff said, at least when it concerns CU, majority of us so far tend be quite positive.

Once in while, someone that likes to play like we do makes a game for us.

That is good news :)

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  jtcgs

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3/12/13 8:34:16 AM#32
Originally posted by mcool

The negativity on the forums is staggering.  It seems to me that the posts that gets that get the most responses are the ones where the gaming industry or the players are being criticized. 

 So, you chose to create a post about the negativity and critize those that are being negative and critizing?

Has the world really be so...weakened...that people are going to continually complain about people who have complaints? Have we really fallen so far that some people believe that others have no right to say anything negative about a product? Have so many people lost all power in their lives that they think that a consumer has no right to voice their concerns? Are there really so many people out there that dont understand that a fan of a genre will want as much of that genre to be good to them that they actually SHOULD be voicing their opinions instead of just bending over and grabbing their ankles?

Seriously people...if people stopped complaining about complainers there wouldnt be half as many complaints being posted.

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  Tumblebutz

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3/12/13 10:08:22 AM#33
I think the overwhelming majority of posts on this forum are positive or at least supportive of the efforts of MJ.  Oh, there are the few trolls, here and there... but trolls are like cockroaches, they're everywhere in some small quantity.

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  sweetdigs

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3/12/13 12:54:43 PM#34

Negativity?  I see a lot of excitement about the game.  The only negativity I see are some responses to some posts by people putting forth terrible ideas.  But most of the threads are generating some great discussion.

  sweetdigs

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3/12/13 12:56:04 PM#35
Originally posted by mcool

guild wars 2, WOW and TERA are much than swg,everquest and ultima online. take off your nostalgia tinted glasses and be happy, we are moving in the right direction but it will take time ;)

 

If you really think that, I'm not sure CU will be the game for you.  SWG, EQ and UO were light years better MMOs than GW2, WOW and Tera.  I didn't like a single one of those latter 3, and loved the first 3 (I would include DAOC in the SWG/EQ/UO generation of MMOs when I considered MMOs to be in their golden years).

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3/12/13 1:31:53 PM#36
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

WoW is popular because of instant gratification and the bling bling visuals.

What?  The game has been rediculed for it's graphics since day 1.  It became popular *despite* the cartoon style.  I remember back in college when working at computer retailer, pretty much the only selling point for the original Mac Mini was "It runs World of Warcraft."  Here you had the crappiest expensive computer in the store, with I think 512MB of RAM, and some ghetto ATI card, but it could still run WoW.

Even the instant gratification thing has only been in the last 4 or 5 years.  Vanilla and TBC was basically a whinefest of players complaining about how only 2% of the playerbase get to experience 90% of the new content (high end raids and PvP equipment which required massive time investments).

WoW was crazy popular before they simplified it to the point of idiocy.

  sweetdigs

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3/12/13 2:01:50 PM#37
Originally posted by CluckingChicken
When this game was first announced, the community was stellar. But then the general crowd found its way here. Most MMO forums never get this bad unless its close to release. I really hope this negativity clears up soon. I would hate to be in MJs shoes, having to filter through all the shit to find the few good posts around here. Sadly I have succumbed to the hatred as well, and I simply have to avoid these forums most of the time now.

Exactly.  Now we have the mccool and the colddogs in here now that want to turn DAOC into another cookie cutter quest-grinding MMO like WOW.  You can't escape it.  There are always people that want to turn every game into a F2P boring MMO and can't stand any diversity in the marketplace.

  kakasaki

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3/12/13 2:37:54 PM#38
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by mcool

The negativity on the forums is staggering.  It seems to me that the posts that gets that get the most responses are the ones where the gaming industry or the players are being criticized. 

 So, you chose to create a post about the negativity and critize those that are being negative and critizing?

Has the world really be so...weakened...that people are going to continually complain about people who have complaints? Have we really fallen so far that some people believe that others have no right to say anything negative about a product? Have so many people lost all power in their lives that they think that a consumer has no right to voice their concerns? Are there really so many people out there that dont understand that a fan of a genre will want as much of that genre to be good to them that they actually SHOULD be voicing their opinions instead of just bending over and grabbing their ankles?

Seriously people...if people stopped complaining about complainers there wouldnt be half as many complaints being posted.

 

To be fair, the same can be said about the constant complainers. Have we become so self centered that we need to constantly belittle every game in development even before it is in an alpha stage? Are we so self centered that every game has to cater to our wants and preferences? Is there not enough niche games coming out to satisfy every style of player? Can we vets not come to the realization that tastes have changed and games are no longer mass marketed to suit our style of "hardcore" game play?

 

Just saying...

A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...

  PerfArt

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3/12/13 3:02:16 PM#39
I will say something positive.

Despite all the neuroses and disillusionment carried over from past games that project the mechanics of those games onto CU prematurely (and often immaturely), I think that the chance for a real, meaningful RvR experience is possible in CU far more than any mmorpg made to date, and it's kind of ironic that those most vocal in their negativity are those who could possibly benefit from CU's innovation most if they would give it a chance.

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  BeansnBread

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3/12/13 3:07:50 PM#40
Originally posted by sweetdigs
Originally posted by CluckingChicken
When this game was first announced, the community was stellar. But then the general crowd found its way here. Most MMO forums never get this bad unless its close to release. I really hope this negativity clears up soon. I would hate to be in MJs shoes, having to filter through all the shit to find the few good posts around here. Sadly I have succumbed to the hatred as well, and I simply have to avoid these forums most of the time now.

Exactly.  Now we have the mccool and the colddogs in here now that want to turn DAOC into another cookie cutter quest-grinding MMO like WOW.  You can't escape it.  There are always people that want to turn every game into a F2P boring MMO and can't stand any diversity in the marketplace.

What? In another thread I even said I thought quest grinds were horrible and that I preferred to level either through PvP or some type of dungeon-like experience with a group of other players.

 

And who said anything about changing the game? There isn't even a game at all yet. If anything, Jacobs is asking for feedback from the community - a community that includes many different types of players and preferences. Believe it or not, your personal preferences are not the only ones that matter.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

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