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  iixviiiix

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Joined: 3/04/13
Posts: 731

3/13/13 12:11:50 PM#101

"a game where a full party take hard time to kill a true monster and earn thousand  , million time worth than rats hunt "

"a game where you gather guilds with 1000 player to clean a true monster nest"

"a game where Alice's rabbit hole hide in somewhere"

"a game where 40 forty thieves hide they treasure with a password that you may pass by unnotice"

"a game where a godly weapon fall in your hand by luck"

"a game where a puzzle that not anyone can clean"

...

Wait , do this kind of game exist.

We know that RPG's about player role follow game's law.

Game's law created a world player play.

So the role will be more real if the law more complex.

Can we make a MMORPG with complex RPG law with our current technology ?

We can't , only thing MMORPG can evolve now is graphic or battle system , maybe monster AI will evolve.

It sad that we can think , created laws , but can't put it in our MMORPG.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 21685

3/13/13 12:18:15 PM#102
Originally posted by AlBQuirky

 


Nobody is 100% satisfied with any one game. If they are, I would wonder about their blinders, or be very happy for them. The "old games" had their troubles. Some of those troubles could be fixed with new technology. It has been over a decade for them now, after all. The trick is finding a game that has more going for it than against it for each player. This is becoming nigh impossible for me today, in a gaming genre I once loved.

I think that is your issue. Placing too much emotional attachment in a genre. I can understand if someone play and love a game. There may even be multiple games that a person loves in a genre.

But loving a genre? Genre changes. Same ideas get boring. Why would someone place all their emotional attachment of ENTERTAINMENT products in a genre?

Personally i care little about genre .... but i do find good fun games in this MMORPG genre for me.

  jocieB

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Joined: 6/16/12
Posts: 76

3/19/13 8:55:07 AM#103
Originally posted by Normandy7
When I read the forums I feel the majority on these boards love being lead by the nose. They are lazy. They wan't to be told where to go and what to do, like robots. They want their rewards but hate earning it. Spoon fed if you will. The new generation of gamers are vastly different than the ones of old.

This teenager's dad is sort of right.  No one under the age of 50 plays any MMO other than Second Life - which frankly stinks of colostomy bags the second you arrive (and save the MMO argument for another thread, I don't care if I get replied to).

The majority of us, the people who probably kill Normandy7 a lot, fall into the 25-40 age bracket and we think games' consoles are overpriced, moulded plastic.  We're rarely wrong because we've spent at least 25 years growing a brain.

 

  Aelious

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Joined: 9/27/11
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3/19/13 9:13:55 AM#104
The good news is the market is now flooded with these games and since there are not enough paying customers to go around they are mostly F2P. Becuase of this the market is adapting, like Narius mentioned, and a slew of more in depth games are coming.

As a side note I was also getting bored because the game I wanted to play was not there. Once I started to just take a game as it was and not what I wanted it I be I really enjoyed it. Not dying anyone else is doing this, it worked for me though.
  Cephus404

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Joined: 2/27/08
Posts: 3697

3/19/13 10:06:41 AM#105
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by AlBQuirky

 


Nobody is 100% satisfied with any one game. If they are, I would wonder about their blinders, or be very happy for them. The "old games" had their troubles. Some of those troubles could be fixed with new technology. It has been over a decade for them now, after all. The trick is finding a game that has more going for it than against it for each player. This is becoming nigh impossible for me today, in a gaming genre I once loved.

I think that is your issue. Placing too much emotional attachment in a genre. I can understand if someone play and love a game. There may even be multiple games that a person loves in a genre.

But loving a genre? Genre changes. Same ideas get boring. Why would someone place all their emotional attachment of ENTERTAINMENT products in a genre?

Personally i care little about genre .... but i do find good fun games in this MMORPG genre for me.

Not only do you get people who love genres, many of those same people think that their love of the genre gives them some kind of control over the  genre.  They think they get to define what the genre is and is not and who can play in the genre.

People need to get the hell over themselves.  MMOs are just a game and if you think otherwise, you probably need professional help.

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  Slampig

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Joined: 12/29/03
Posts: 2424

Whatever you do, do NOT speak ill of Asheron's Call 2...

3/19/13 10:10:22 AM#106
Originally posted by AlBQuirky

When I read the forums, I get this feeling from the majority posters: "I want to play an MMORPG, but..."

"...I don't want a massive world that takes forever and a day to traverse."
"...I don't want to stand there swinging my sword."
"...I want my heavily armored warrior to be able to do acrobatics in full plate."
"...I want mini-games galore, for almost everything I do."
"...I want to click a button and be instantly transported to the dungeon I just threw my name onto a list for."
"...I want massive amounts of instancing so that I feel like what I do affects the world."
"...I want massive instancing so that I don't have to worry about other players spoiling my gaming experience."
"...I want to be able to turn off chat."
"...I want to be told a story where my character saves the universe."
"...I want to be able to jump online for the 15-30 minutes I have free and gain something useful."
"...I don't want downtime where I feel like I have to converse with others. I have friends IRL, thank you."

All I can ask is, Do these players really want to play MMORPGs?

*Sigh*

 

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  nariusseldon

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 21685

3/19/13 10:19:41 AM#107
Originally posted by Aelious


As a side note I was also getting bored because the game I wanted to play was not there. Once I started to just take a game as it was and not what I wanted it I be I really enjoyed it. Not dying anyone else is doing this, it worked for me though.

Yeah .. that is more or less how i see entertainment. That works because there is a large variety of entertainment out there, it is very rare that i cannot find something fun or interesting. The trick is not to limit myself to a single hobby or genre.

 

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 21685

3/19/13 10:21:27 AM#108
Originally posted by Cephus404

People need to get the hell over themselves.  MMOs are just a game and if you think otherwise, you probably need professional help.

That prettty much sums it up .. though in a pretty strong manner.

If someone wants to be bitter and rant all day just because he does not like how games are made, that is his perogative. I would much rather enjoy things.

  Aelious

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3/19/13 10:38:51 AM#109
Narius

It doesn't matter what a person limits themselves to if that's what they like. People who do invest themselves in any one gameworld or genre are do nothing differently than you, playing something they enjoy. You may not invest yourself into any one game more than the time you are there, which is your perigative, but why can't someone else?
  Aelious

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3/19/13 10:41:59 AM#110
Of course MMOs are games but everyone knows what goes on in these forums surpasses that of games. Pontificating, arguing and good old trolling are what these forum are about, based around MMORPGs of course.
  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 21685

3/19/13 10:45:05 AM#111
Originally posted by Aelious
Narius

It doesn't matter what a person limits themselves to if that's what they like. People who do invest themselves in any one gameworld or genre are do nothing differently than you, playing something they enjoy. You may not invest yourself into any one game more than the time you are there, which is your perigative, but why can't someone else?

Of course they can .. didn't you read i said "it is their perogative" .. exactly meaning that "they can".

Oh, i didn't spend that much time here .. posting is fast ... i racked up 600+ hours on one toon in D3 .. i doubt any forum can beat that.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 21685

3/19/13 10:45:53 AM#112
Originally posted by Aelious
Of course MMOs are games but everyone knows what goes on in these forums surpasses that of games. Pontificating, arguing and good old trolling are what these forum are about, based around MMORPGs of course.

Forum is entertaining .. and no one says you can't multi-task. Playing, posting, working, and watching youtube all at the same time.

 

  jocieB

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Joined: 6/16/12
Posts: 76

3/19/13 10:46:29 AM#113
Originally posted by Aelious
Narius

It doesn't matter what a person limits themselves to if that's what they like. People who do invest themselves in any one gameworld or genre are do nothing differently than you, playing something they enjoy. You may not invest yourself into any one game more than the time you are there, which is your perigative, but why can't someone else?

 

The irony of forum bots is that a human is behind them.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 21685

3/19/13 11:02:30 AM#114
Originally posted by jocieB
Originally posted by Aelious
Narius

It doesn't matter what a person limits themselves to if that's what they like. People who do invest themselves in any one gameworld or genre are do nothing differently than you, playing something they enjoy. You may not invest yourself into any one game more than the time you are there, which is your perigative, but why can't someone else?

 

The irony of forum bots is that a human is behind them.

Isn't that what the sandbox crowd is touting? PvP is most fun because other humans is the content. No wonder they love doing battle here.

  Kyleran

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Joined: 9/13/06
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3/19/13 11:06:08 AM#115
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Cephus404

People need to get the hell over themselves.  MMOs are just a game and if you think otherwise, you probably need professional help.

That prettty much sums it up .. though in a pretty strong manner.

If someone wants to be bitter and rant all day just because he does not like how games are made, that is his perogative. I would much rather enjoy things.

I enjoy being bitter and ranting all day just for the heck of it, how games are made doesn't really factor into the equation.

Chalk it up mostly to boredom and old age. 

 

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  jocieB

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Joined: 6/16/12
Posts: 76

3/19/13 11:06:15 AM#116
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by jocieB
Originally posted by Aelious
Narius

It doesn't matter what a person limits themselves to if that's what they like. People who do invest themselves in any one gameworld or genre are do nothing differently than you, playing something they enjoy. You may not invest yourself into any one game more than the time you are there, which is your perigative, but why can't someone else?

 

The irony of forum bots is that a human is behind them.

Isn't that what the sandbox crowd is touting? PvP is most fun because other humans is the content. No wonder they love doing battle here.

 

I am too ladylike to spit my cheese sandwich.  But great try!  ;)

  Cecropia

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Poacher killer.

3/19/13 11:09:31 AM#117
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by jocieB
Originally posted by Aelious
Narius

It doesn't matter what a person limits themselves to if that's what they like. People who do invest themselves in any one gameworld or genre are do nothing differently than you, playing something they enjoy. You may not invest yourself into any one game more than the time you are there, which is your perigative, but why can't someone else?

 

The irony of forum bots is that a human is behind them.

Isn't that what the sandbox crowd is touting? PvP is most fun because other humans is the content. No wonder they love doing battle here.

And what is it exactly that you have been doing on these forums for several months now?

That's a rhetorical question in case you missed it.

"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  Axehilt

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3/19/13 11:16:19 AM#118
Originally posted by DancingQueen
Originally posted by KaosProphet

Yes, but what did they actually mean?

"Role playing" like an improv actor, taking on the character of someone from within the game's setting concepts, and staying within the role of that character?

"Role playing" in the sense of metagamey mechanical roles (tank&spank or other)?

'Role playing' in the sense of 'stats on character progress over time'?

I've seen all three bandied about, sometimes individually or in combination with each other.  And none of them are actually exclusive to either the FPS or TPS approach, not even the last one.  (It just needs to be a relatively mild or asymptotic progression-curve, rather than the more common exponential curves)

 

And as much as I favor the first one and have a growing distaste for the second myself, all three have always had valid justifications.

Yeah it's the first one... or at least try to immerse yourself into the world of the game and just not play as some stats whore min maxing 24/7 and complaining that the game is not as his third person shooter games on his Xbox 360.

Sorry but for over 25 years "RPG" as applied to videogames has meant a game which has story, progression, and twitch-lite combat.
 
Videogame RPGs (story, progression, twitch-lite) are a distinct genre from Tabletop RPGs (improv, telling a story).  They always have been, and just because you've never realized the two were never connected doesn't mean you get to march in and tell everyone playing videogame RPGs to "get out".
 
The focus of videogame RPGs hasn't changed in 25+ years.  Including MMORPGs.  You can either enjoy them (they're great games!), or find a genre you do enjoy.
  Aelious

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3/19/13 11:17:04 AM#119
Yeah Narius, you have single handedly made this forum more entertaining from your trolling of the denizens here. Please keep doing it too. I probably would have lost interest a while ago. Still slipping though...
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3/19/13 11:20:50 AM#120
Originally posted by Aelious
Yeah Narius, you have single handedly made this forum more entertaining from your trolling of the denizens here. Please keep doing it too. I probably would have lost interest a while ago. Still slipping though...

I'll give him that, but personally, I kind of miss the mighty Zorndorf and his many alts. Now that mother could bang.

"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

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